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Kellsterik posted:Well, the nature of the power is that a different "lasting effect" occurs with each night action. So if I used a different power, I would not investigate as scum. I didn't actually know what a Miller was until I googled it just now.
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Right, I was just clarifying that it's temporary rather than an inherent part of my role.
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Aug 19, 2014 22:56
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Kellsterik posted:Right, I was just clarifying that it's temporary rather than an inherent part of my role. Clarification: do you appear as scum from this point forward because you used that power?
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Aug 19, 2014 23:00
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As I understand it, I do currently, but will no longer investigate as scum once I use another power. Two of my lasting effects are mutually exclusive, which is why I infer that they are one effect at a time.
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Aug 20, 2014 00:20
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Mmhmmm
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Aug 20, 2014 00:29
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Probably going to Sleep on this
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Aug 20, 2014 00:33
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Kellsterik posted:Alright, I figured I was pretty much dead in the water at this point, but as long as I have an opportunity to claim i'll take it. Hey fyi this isn't what town sounds like when they roleclaim. Scum usually "take the opportunity" to fakeclaim because they work on them and are excited to use them. Town are "forced to claim" because they know it has a high chance of rendering them useless. This reads like scum POV for claiming to me, happy to lynch ##vote Kellsterik.
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Votecount for Day 2  Kellsterik (5): yuming, Savahontas, Captain Foo, Juanito, fiery_valkyrie, yuming (1): Asiina, Strong Mouse, busb (0): fiery_valkyrie, Not Voting (5): chaoslord, Elephant, fiery_valkyrie, Kellsterik, Strong MouseWith 11 alive, it's 6 votes to lynch. The current deadline is August 20th, 2014 at 10 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 1 day, 1 hour.
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Aug 20, 2014 02:13
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I'm back home now. Also I am not entirely sure that my action last night wouldn't have given Kell a result to see. It's iffy, but I definitely got a result indicating I was successful. I guess it would depend what "etc" refers to since I am not a cop or a watcher.
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Also I definitely meant to unvote yuming in my big effortpost the other day. Sorry, I thought I did. ##unvote
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Aug 20, 2014 02:21
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busb posted:Hey fyi this isn't what town sounds like when they roleclaim. Scum usually "take the opportunity" to fakeclaim because they work on them and are excited to use them. Town are "forced to claim" because they know it has a high chance of rendering them useless. Looking forward to being proved innocent posthumously, then.
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Aug 20, 2014 02:31
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Kellsterik posted:Looking forward to being proved innocent posthumously, then. Who do you think is scum?
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Aug 20, 2014 02:59
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I just caught up with the thread, I've been a bit busy. I don't have anything WOW groundshaking to add. I still want to lynch Kell. If someone wants me to comment on someone else specifically please let me know.
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Aug 20, 2014 04:04
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busb posted:##unvote Also want to hear more opinions from Mr. Mouse.
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Aug 20, 2014 04:04
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yuming, what do you think about Foo? Nothing specific, but how does his posting ping ya?
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Aug 20, 2014 04:08
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Juanito posted:yuming, what do you think about Foo? Nothing specific, but how does his posting ping ya? I feel like town are more often weird than scum. Scum aren't that creative. 
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Aug 20, 2014 04:11
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yuming posted:The post he made analyzing the votes on tearshed seemed sincere to me. Yes it was contingent on some weird theory wrt Elephant, but that weirdness is what I liked about it.
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Aug 20, 2014 04:16
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yuming posted:I second this! I think Kell is probably scum, I really think fv is scum, and I still think elephant may be scum.
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Aug 20, 2014 04:27
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Juanito posted:Yeah, I think you're right.. Juanito are you coasting scum? This kind of posting of yours rings a bell with me.
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Aug 20, 2014 04:57
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Nope.
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Oh ok.
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Aug 20, 2014 05:10
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I'm just curious people's thoughts about Foo. Nobody thinks anything about him, and that's fine.. means it's just me and my ~vibes~
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Aug 20, 2014 05:11
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I agree with Juanito but when I read back through Foo there was nothing specific to point to, so at this point it's just a useless observation. I don't know that I'll be around much tomorrow, I am good with my vote on Kells. As we discussed, the roles are randomized, so it doesn't matter that the role is scummy (or if it'd been town). I still think it's a good bet.
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Aug 20, 2014 05:15
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I still want to hear his thoughts anyway. All we have is an opinion on Elephant which he backed away from because of the roleclaim, which we know means nothing.
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okay, so I went through Foo's post history to try and find some of the things that I'd noticed. I removed some of the dumb stuff, and this is really the main thing:Juanito posted:I think I like fiery as a target. Friday night deadline is tough though, so it might be Elephant. He quotes the "It may just be fine" portion of my post and says: Captain Foo posted:this wording seems weird to me "this wording seems weird to me" pings me the wrong way, because it doesn't seem sincere. I think this is the kind of post that you'd make if you were scum, and looking for something to grab onto (or hoping someone else does). If you were town, and it bothered you'd make a bigger deal about it. It's harder to do when you're actually scum though. I think he's mostly looking to poke people and see what happens. He drops this angle pretty quickly, after I respond. Also asks me about Elephant on D2 (after I said Elephant would probably be a target if he survived D1). Feels like he could have been trying to push me at Elephant. Some of his posts seem to have been decent though, and after looking at things, I'm not convinced of anything about Foo. Probably town. Thanks for reading.
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Aug 20, 2014 05:41
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I want to vote Kells. I know a couple of people have said they are interested in hearing who he thinks is scum but imo he's had plenty of time to do that and hasn't. I'll give him a few more hours if people want to give him a little more time but if people are fine with going now I'll place my vote.
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Aug 20, 2014 13:19
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I've thought about kells more and still feel good about voting him, but I am gonna ##unvote (for reasons below) What someone said about "this isn't how town claims" rang p true, his other behavior has been fairly bad, and the role he claimed seems to me to be more harmful to town than helpful. Also, if we believe the claim then asiina has a targetable night action that isn't an investigation; plenty of options for that. In addition, I do feel kinda weird about how busb hopped right back off his vote with only Kellsterik posted:Looking forward to being proved innocent posthumously, then.
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Aug 20, 2014 13:47
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Kell actually sounds sincere.. I'm definitely conflicted.
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Aug 20, 2014 17:52
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Juanito why do you keep ending sentences with two periods
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Aug 20, 2014 18:08
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Foo why do you ask questions without a question mark
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Aug 20, 2014 18:09
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Juanito posted:Foo why do you ask questions without a question mark phone posting, laziness, and yospos
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I didn't find a better person to go after in my readthrough than Kells. ##vote Kellsterik That will put them at -2. They've had ~18 hours to pop in to answer the question of who they think is scum, most of which has been within 24 hours of the deadline. Before that, they've been as close to a lynch as -1 and rather than put forth another lynch candidate they settled on basically saying "well I guess you will see how wrong you are when I flip." Kells has not given any reads. A gut vote of Elephant followed by jumping on the tearshed bandwagon. They've also posted in other threads but haven't found their way back here. To me, they read as either scum or that they've given up on this game. I'm willing to entertain other cases if someone puts one forward, for sure, but this is my #1. I'll be around for deadline if it takes that long but I'll be gone from around 600 central to... hm. Call it 830 central to be safe.
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Votecount for Day 2 Kellsterik (4): yuming, Savahontas, Captain Foo, Juanito, fiery_valkyrie, yuming (0): Asiina, Strong Mouse, busb (0): fiery_valkyrie, Not Voting (7): Asiina, busb, Captain Foo, Elephant, fiery_valkyrie, Kellsterik, Strong Mouse With 11 alive, it's 6 votes to lynch. The current deadline is August 20th, 2014 at 10 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 6 hours, 30 minutes.
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busb posted:I still want to hear his thoughts anyway. All we have is an opinion on Elephant which he backed away from because of the roleclaim, which we know means nothing. Asiina posted:I'm back home now. I've been thinking over Asiina's motives for this post. Is it a way to make their role ambiguous again after I implied a hint to their role by saying they didn't give me an investigate action? What night actions could exist in this game that don't yield an investigation-like result? My very first thought was "could it be that they're a doctor and trying to suggest that without leaving themselves open?" But I decided that wasn't likely, because A it feels like me overthinking and B the scum could make the same inference as a town. Plus, as we've seen with the role flips so far, there exist more oblique night actions like ##indict and ##forget. Maybe someone more insightful than me can read more into this sort of quasi-claim, but I feel like there's something accurate that can be gleaned here. yuming posted:I still want to lynch Kell. If someone wants me to comment on someone else specifically please let me know. Yuming has been leading the charge to lynch me today. I'd like her to briefly explain why she still thinks i'm scum now that the deadline is close and i'm the leading lynch candidate.
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Aug 20, 2014 22:42
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While thoughts, neither of those are actual cases.
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Captain Foo posted:I've thought about kells more and still feel good about voting him, but I am gonna ##unvote (for reasons below) What someone said about "this isn't how town claims" rang p true, his other behavior has been fairly bad, and the role he claimed seems to me to be more harmful to town than helpful. mistake 1 in this post: you believe a claim that could be of benefit to town means anything in regards to alignment mistake 2 in this post: thinking i think kell is less scummy for his protestation, which anyone of any alignment would do. not mistake 1 in this post: Wanting Kell to give an opinion about players' alignments. And we still don't have anything from him about alignments.
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Sorry I've been neglecting this game since I got back. I will reread and vote for someone after dinner. Should still be time before deadline.
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I'm around. I don't think Kells has contributed anything to change my mind. I do think his 'we'll see what happens!' post is sort of townie, the way the claim was sorta scummy. So if busb was voting mainly based on the claim coming out opportunistic, I can see how that'd sway him.
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Savahontas posted:I'm around. My brain says he's scummy and acting like scum would. My gut says I'm wrong. We don't really have another option right now though, which bothers me. Do you have a #2?
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