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Munin posted:They also have the Paul Foot Award which does a good job highlighting any actual journalism that does go on in the mainstream press. I agree. Their website is also terrible. Still love the private eye though.
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Fans posted:That's because the European Court of Human Rights believed Jordan would use evidence gained through torture against him and that was a breach so they stopped the UK from extraditing him. The UK was quite keen to do it the whole time and it finally went through when they got assurance from Jordan they wouldn't torture him. Depends what charges and potential punishments he was going to face. See: quote:Soering v United Kingdom 161 Eur. Ct. H.R. (ser. A) (1989) is a landmark judgment of the European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) which established that extradition of a young German national to the United States to face charges of capital murder violated Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) guaranteeing the right against inhuman and degrading treatment. edit: beaten
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Malcolm XML posted:The NHS charge is very expensive. Generic drugs are far cheaper in US, of all places. Having bought generic drugs in both places I've never found this to be true for either prescription or over the counter generics. EDIT: Just saw the Wal-Mart price. I'm fairly sure that this is a loss leader. Wal-Mart want people to get their generics there so they'll get all their other meds there too, thus taking market share away from CVS and Walgreens. Lamuella fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Aug 19, 2014 |
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Aug 19, 2014 23:31
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On the theme of 'personal choice', it'll be interesting to see how the new Education, Health and Care Plans are rolled out. They're replacements for Statement[s] of Special Educational Needs and they start getting rolled out next month. One of the key changes is that it is the young person (or their family) who control the what the allocated budget is spent on, rather than the Local Education Authority. My concern with this is that it expects a lot of parents to know what is and what isn't an efficient use of money. I'm a Speech and Language Therapist; I can say to a parent [though I wouldn't] "I can make your child talk" and give them a quote. Unless they've got enough knowledge to A) know what is the most long-term useful skill for their child to learn; and B) be able to distinguish it from the other  I and other professionals might use; they could opt to spend their child's budget on something that could quite literally make their child's communication needs worse.I mean, at least with the NHS, you can be pretty sure that if they're offering something it'll be one of the more efficient 'things' available.
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Aug 20, 2014 00:40
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Mr Cuddles posted:I agree. Their website is also terrible. Still love the private eye though. The print sales have been doing alright though. It's a handy sized format for reading on the bus/train/shitter/in the bath, and as an extra bonus the small type reminds me every few years that I should go and get new glasses.
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Whitefish posted:Depends what charges and potential punishments he was going to face. See:
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DroneRiff posted:I've always wanted to say that MPs and such should be banned from havibg private health cover. Though how, a full on ban for all private healthcare is even better. LOL mate you do realise most of the front bench are major share holders or board members in private health care companies and insurers. Them using BUPA to get their piles fixed is small fry compared to that
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Obliterati posted:
Even by the low standards of newspaper cartoons, Private Eye's are awful.
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Mr Cuddles posted:I agree. Their website is also terrible. Still love the private eye though. Their print publication isn't desperately impressive either though; I'd love to read it, but seeing a wall of text that even the most rudimentary modern design principles have long since given up on makes it really hard to slog through; you shouldn't be able to lose your place just by looking away for a brief second.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Their print publication isn't desperately impressive either though; I'd love to read it, but seeing a wall of text that even the most rudimentary modern design principles have long since given up on makes it really hard to slog through; you shouldn't be able to lose your place just by looking away for a brief second. Wall of text means wall of content though. I don't mind that it is one of the densest publications around. That said reading German newspapers probably inured me to dense walls of type. Modern, more widely spaced design would either drive their costs up or lead to a reduced amount of content if they try to keep their production and print costs the same. [edit] I rather like "Scene & Heard" Private Eye comic wise. One of their nicer new additions. Munin fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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Modern Last Words isn't bad. "My session has expired."
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Munin posted:[edit] I rather like "Scene & Heard" Private Eye comic wise. One of their nicer new additions. The guy who does them used to be a Big Issue seller and the cartoon was simply random stuff he'd seen while out on the streets. Big Issue dropping his strip pretty much marked the point it stopped being an interesting source of alternative opinion and started being a dull Time Out knockoff.
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Mr Cuddles posted:I agree. Their website is also terrible. Still love the private eye though. They're a bit like a trade magazine in that sense. Zephro fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The guy who does them used to be a Big Issue seller and the cartoon was simply random stuff he'd seen while out on the streets. Big Issue dropping his strip pretty much marked the point it stopped being an interesting source of alternative opinion and started being a dull Time Out knockoff. Maaan stop being wrong. It's pretty decent and he's a cool dude (I preordered his book which he had a ton of trouble getting printed, and we commiserated over Twitter). It's also one of the few consistently left wing perspectives. The dense text in Private Eye means I tend to read it in spurts rather than solidly through in one sitting, but that's no bad thing for something that's a periodical rather than a daily newspaper. Kegluneq fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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Kegluneq posted:Maaan stop being wrong. It's pretty decent and he's a cool dude (I preordered his book which he had a ton of trouble getting printed, and we commiserated over Twitter). It's also one of the few consistently left wing perspectives. Erm, I wasn't criticising him or his strip at all - I loved it in the Big Issue and it disappearing from there pretty much marked the point I stopped actively seeking it out (I still buy it out of guilt occasionally).
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Darth Walrus posted:OK, I'm almost starting to feel sorry for the Lib Dems now. I've met Pauline. Not someone who would be good as a party president, to be honest. Bozza posted:I say ban all private healthcare for non cosmetic procedures, and then we'll see the NHS polished to a beautiful gleam. That's a bad idea when it comes to specialised care, where the length of the waiting list can be affected by personal disputes by doctors (yes, I'm looking at you, Charing Cross). In those cases, some parts of the NHS refer private just to sidestep the drama.
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TinTower posted:I've met Pauline. Not someone who would be good as a party president, to be honest. Sweet deflection from the actual issue? I also reckon she'd be an awful party president but that's not the problem being discussed.
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TinTower posted:I've met Pauline. Not someone who would be good as a party president, to be honest. Perhaps the Lib Dems should have thought about that before courting her to join the party and putting her forward as a stunt candidate for the presidency? In other Lib Dem news Lord Rennard is back: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/08/lord-rennard-s-suspension-his-party-has-been-lifted quote:Rennard, a former senior figure in the party, was suspended from the Lib Dems, who accused him of bringing the party into disrepute over sexual harassment allegations. He issued an apology in May responding to the women who made claims against him after a period of refusing to do so, eventually telling them he regretted that he may have “inadvertently encroached” upon their “personal space”. Given Rennard's threat to sue the party for breach of contract they were put in a difficult position and, given IANAL I'm not sure what else they could've done when neither the Police or the internal party investigations found strong enough evidence to charge or sanction him. Still though, yet another piece of bad news for the party.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Perhaps the Lib Dems should have thought about that
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Erm, I wasn't criticising him or his strip at all - I loved it in the Big Issue and it disappearing from there pretty much marked the point I stopped actively seeking it out (I still buy it out of guilt occasionally). Oooh right okay, sorry.
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Rail fares to increase by two inflations and (half) a pay rise (if bonuses are excluded) Satire is redundant.
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You know nationalising the railways would be a real vote grabber if Labour weren't loving useless cretins.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Perhaps the Lib Dems should have thought about that before courting her to join the party and putting her forward as a stunt candidate for the presidency? Oh yeah, she's a stunt candidate, but I doubt she's the leadership's preferred candidate. Sad to see her withdraw, though. ReV VAdAUL posted:Given Rennard's threat to sue the party for breach of contract they were put in a difficult position and, given IANAL I'm not sure what else they could've done when neither the Police or the internal party investigations found strong enough evidence to charge or sanction him. Still though, yet another piece of bad news for the party. As far as I'm aware, the refusal to apologise was the grounds to suspend him for "bringing the party into disrepute". I doubt that, given Rennard ceased to be an employee of the Lib Dems back in 2009, he could sue for breach of contract if he was expelled. The disrepute clause most parties have is deliberately wide enough to prevent that.
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OppyDoppyDopp posted:Modern Last Words isn't bad. All the repeating cartoons are awful, and come off as hopelessly dated. "Yobs" is practically a encouragement of everything the Daily Mail stands for.
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Ddraig posted:Private health care hurts people. Seriously. If everyone, poor and rich alike had to use the NHS you can guarantee it would be loving excellent. I agree with the principle, but the average person on the street has very little ability to make the NHS loving excellent. I won't go into the gory details, but my girlfriend was recently crippled by a back problem and left unable to function normally, even to do basic things like sit down - the response from our GP (when she could finally get an appointment) was derisory and amounted to waiting two weeks to see if it was still a problem. I'm fortunate enough to get health insurance through work and was able to get her to a private specialist in a couple of days who helped her manage the pain and regain some mobility. Frankly, I think some of the hate in this thread for people who go private is misplaced. You'd have to be a cold hearted bastard to leave your SO in pain on the floor for the sake of a point of principle. Edit: It's also worth saying that the NHS GP was absolutely delighted to hear we wanted to go private. They went from unhelpful/obstructive to all smiles the moment we asked for a referral. Prince John fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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The current issue of Private Eye - the one on shop shelves today - is weirdly transphobic. The stuff about Paris Lees I get but from the bit on Page 27 on it's taking an aggressive voice that even papers like the Mail or Sun have shied away from.
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Prince John posted:I agree with the principle, but the average person on the street has very little ability to make the NHS loving excellent. The thing with being able to opt out of state schools or the NHS is not that you're a monster for wanting the best for you kids or your health but that it allows the wealthy to not care and sadly it is the wealthy who make all the decisions. Some rich people will take pleasure in the poor suffering but most will simply care less, it'll be a shame to them of course but not a pressing matter where they use their power and influence to change because they're scared it might impact them directly.
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Prince John posted:Edit: It's also worth saying that the NHS GP was absolutely delighted to hear we wanted to go private. They went from unhelpful/obstructive to all smiles the moment we asked for a referral. Probably because it's a step closer to another all-expenses paid medical conference in Hawaii with his drug rep.
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DroneRiff posted:I've always wanted to say that MPs and such should be banned from havibg private health cover. Though how, a full on ban for all private healthcare is even better. more people should have private healthcare, less people on the nhs takes some of the strain off
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Yes the point not being that wealthy people are altruistic, more often than not they're far from it, but if Tarquin or Henrietta had no other alternative but go to to an NHS, public hospital or the only way to treat a fois gras and child's tears induced heart attack was go be shipped off to the local A&E you can guarantee that the standard of care would be excellent. It's a sad fact but social conditions often only improve when people with actual influence are affected by them.
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Oh aye, weird thing. I was watching ITV's Morning news bollocks yesterday (My client likes it. I don't know why) and they had an interview with the cousin of Michael Brown, the unarmed black man killed in Ferguson by a trigger happy cop. The guy did well, sidestepped a couple questions aimed at protecting the police, made it very clear that the cops were to blame. Then something weird happened. They asked him "What do you say to the protesters out there in Ferguson right now?" and the Cousin responds "I want to thank them for their continued support and help in keeping the pressure on the Police." Then they ask "What do you have to say about the looters and the rioters" and he said "The looting and the rioting isn't helping, I'd say go home to the looters and the rioters." (Paraphrasing heavily for all of this btw.) Fifteen minutes later they reference the interview, saying "We talked to the cousin of Michael Brown who encouraged protesters to go home and not cause strife with the police" and then played the Looters answer. It was really loving weird to see ITV News not only purposefully gently caress with someone's response to fit their narrative that the riots are the protesters fault, but also to do so fifteen minutes after they had just done the interview. The woman delivering the news ( The one the Daily Mail complained about not being able to see her legs) was obviously not comfortable with doing it.
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on private health care: the only NHS counselling service in Dundee announced they're going private last week. My doctor was furious about it and is trying to get them to renegotiate but I'm not sure how it's going to work out. I and a lot of people here can't afford a private counselor so this change is going to leave a lot of us high and dry.
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Wrap it up ISIS-ailures, Big Dave Cam cut his holiday short for a meeting, it's all over for you guys.
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How many loving holidays does this guy need. It seems like every time there's some sort of international crisis he has to be called back from holiday.
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Ddraig posted:How many loving holidays does this guy need. It seems like every time there's some sort of international crisis he has to be called back from holiday. Gotta chillax for a while after wrecking the welfare state. It's probably in the Coalition Agreement that Clegg gets a rental of the 'Big Chair' in London every so often.
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Ddraig posted:How many loving holidays does this guy need. It seems like every time there's some sort of international crisis he has to be called back from holiday. Parliament is on summer recess anyway until september, so it's not like he can achieve anything - he'd just be sitting in No 10 watching 'why don't you'
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It's terrible from a PR perspective but it's not like he's not doing some kind of work even when he is on holiday and it's not like all the UK's government work is piling up in his in-tray waiting for him to get back. And given the hours a PM probably has to put it they could probably use more than the normal holiday allowance anyway.
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KKKlean Energy posted:And given the hours a PM probably has to put it they could probably use more than the normal holiday allowance anyway. It's a pretty thankless job all things considered. I certainly wouldn't do it. Edit: In fact, 'thankless' doesn't really do it justice. Hate-generating? Prince John fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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^^^ He doesn't have to do it (in pretty much every sense) but he'll be getting plenty of appreciation from the right kind of people, don't worry!KKKlean Energy posted:It's terrible from a PR perspective but it's not like he's not doing some kind of work even when he is on holiday and it's not like all the UK's government work is piling up in his in-tray waiting for him to get back. Yeah he has a lot of conspicuously-logoed pints to drink while his official photographer captures the moment. I'm down with any amount of time Cameron's out of the office though, it's not like he's making the country a better place when he's at work. He's always going to look bad being on holiday because he's not exactly a dynamo on the job. Here's David Cameron, taking a break from making vague content-free statements
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