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The more I see, the more obvious it is to me that the GOP just wants to destroy the government. I have to think that it's related to the demographic shift. Since people who don't look, pray, or gently caress like them are going to possibly get control of the state, why should those people get a functioning superpower when the shift happens? And of course the rural hill filth that votes for these people looks on anything that starts to resemble a modern state with a mixture of jealousy and fear. So they'll cheer when Rome burns, even though it will come back to screw them over as well.
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rkajdi posted:The more I see, the more obvious it is to me that the GOP just wants to destroy the government. I have to think that it's related to the demographic shift. Since people who don't look, pray, or gently caress like them are going to possibly get control of the state, why should those people get a functioning superpower when the shift happens? I think it's simpler than that. The only legitimate government is one that they control 100%. Anything else is illegitimate and must be destroyed.
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Aug 20, 2014 15:08
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Still sort of assumes that the Republicans in the House can come to agree on any spending bill to the point of getting 218 votes amongst only themselves.
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rkajdi posted:The more I see, the more obvious it is to me that the GOP just wants to destroy the government. I have to think that it's related to the demographic shift. Since people who don't look, pray, or gently caress like them are going to possibly get control of the state, why should those people get a functioning superpower when the shift happens? "rural hill filth"? Seriously?
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Aug 20, 2014 15:10
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rkajdi posted:The more I see, the more obvious it is to me that the GOP just wants to destroy the government. I have to think that it's related to the demographic shift. This has literally been their stated goal for years. Don't forget
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Aug 20, 2014 15:11
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rkajdi posted:The more I see, the more obvious it is to me that the GOP just wants to destroy the government. I have to think that it's related to the demographic shift. Since people who don't look, pray, or gently caress like them are going to possibly get control of the state, why should those people get a functioning superpower when the shift happens? The GOP is doing exactly what hard leftists would do if they controlled a significant part of the federal government. It's a partisan thing, nothing more.
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Aug 20, 2014 15:11
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Seems like blowing up the government when you control the House and Senate is a bad idea. Republicans will buy into it being Obama's fault but I would think everyone that's even remotely neutral would see that for what it is. Of course their base wants them to burn DC to the ground then salt the earth so maybe it will all work out for them.
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Aug 20, 2014 15:14
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Pope Guilty posted:"rural hill filth"? Seriously? What other description fits for the anti-modernity rural people who are actively trying to destroy the government? I understand that the politicians at the top of the party are anything but this. However, non-urban racist whites is the voting base of the GOP now, and should be treated as such. Doubly so when they are trying to actively destroy the country because "the help" can now start to outvote them.
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Aug 20, 2014 15:17
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rkajdi posted:The more I see, the more obvious it is to me that the GOP just wants to destroy the government. I have to think that it's related to the demographic shift. Since people who don't look, pray, or gently caress like them are going to possibly get control of the state, why should those people get a functioning superpower when the shift happens? I've met a lot of rural people who are more "gently caress the rich" than big city liberals. I grew up in a town of them, in fact.
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Aug 20, 2014 15:21
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Mr. Turtle posted:force the president to “move to the center” if he wants to get any new legislation through Congress. Hey, it'll be nice getting Obama to push some more leftist ideas. Thanks Mitch! 
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Aug 20, 2014 15:21
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rkajdi posted:What other description fits for the anti-modernity rural people who are actively trying to destroy the government? I understand that the politicians at the top of the party are anything but this. However, non-urban racist whites is the voting base of the GOP now, and should be treated as such. Doubly so when they are trying to actively destroy the country because "the help" can now start to outvote them. Do you literally think Beverly hills is full of hillbillies?
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Aug 20, 2014 15:22
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rkajdi posted:What other description fits for the anti-modernity rural people who are actively trying to destroy the government? I understand that the politicians at the top of the party are anything but this. However, non-urban racist whites is the voting base of the GOP now, and should be treated as such. Doubly so when they are trying to actively destroy the country because "the help" can now start to outvote them. this is a really bad post and you should feel bad for having made it. Seriously, is your entire perception of "those loving rurals" based upon old television shows or something?
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Aug 20, 2014 15:23
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Radish posted:Of course their base wants them to burn DC to the ground then salt the earth so maybe it will all work out for them. Problem I'm seeing is that it's a move from this figuratively to this literally. The right-wing of the GOP is starting to seem more and more like a reactionary, English-speaking Khmer Rouge.
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Say what you will about the overall racial politics of rural people, but many of them that I've met are further left than average on economic issues when you don't talk explicitly about race. Like, they're not all drooling retards that hate big gubmint, they just tend to be ignorant about outside cultures given that they grew up in areas mostly devoid of them.
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Aug 20, 2014 15:28
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420DD Butts posted:Say what you will about the overall racial politics of rural people, but many of them that I've met are further left than average on economic issues when you don't talk explicitly about race. Like, they're not all drooling retards that hate big gubmint, they just tend to be ignorant about outside cultures given that they grew up in areas mostly devoid of them. It's a dumb argument anyway because the real issue is with suburban dwellers (why do you think Tea Partiers are richer and more educated than average?).
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Most of the time they're really nice people in person, they just have completely bizarre and angry political views. I know many of them personally. They'll give you the shirt off their backs, invite you over for dinner, be gregarious and then a picture of Obama will flash by on the screen and it's like someone with PTSD hearing a car backfire. Anyway, there is a minority who are just spiteful and mean 100% of the time and, as with insanely angry liberals, they spend a disproportionate amount of time working on politics, but most people are just consuming politics and forming opinions the same way they consume automobiles and sports and suchlike.
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computer parts posted:It's a dumb argument anyway because the real issue is with suburban dwellers (why do you think Tea Partiers are richer and more educated than average?). This is true, the most virulently racist and conservative people I've met have all been from the suburbs.
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Aug 20, 2014 15:31
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420DD Butts posted:I've met a lot of rural people who are more "gently caress the rich" than big city liberals. I grew up in a town of them, in fact. I grew up in rural America too. Guess what? The "gently caress the rich" types are also the "gently caress the educated, gays, Muslims, blacks, ect." types and they vote for the Republican candidate.
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G1mby posted:Turns out that the picture at least is a fake - or rather, lifted from a medschool website: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/art..._the_Eye_Socket THere's a website I haven't thought of in a while. I expected LGF to be freep-lite based on what it was like during the Iraq war, but it was surprisingly... well... not.
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Aug 20, 2014 15:36
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Ron Jeremy posted:THere's a website I haven't thought of in a while. I expected LGF to be freep-lite based on what it was like during the Iraq war, but it was surprisingly... well... not. When Obama became a thing and birtherism got big, the LGF guy looked at all the other right-wing bloggers, went "You're all a bunch of racist shitheads", and moved centerward a bit.
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420DD Butts posted:This is true, the most virulently racist and conservative people I've met have all been from the suburbs.
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420DD Butts posted:Say what you will about the overall racial politics of rural people, but many of them that I've met are further left than average on economic issues when you don't talk explicitly about race. Like, they're not all drooling retards that hate big gubmint, they just tend to be ignorant about outside cultures given that they grew up in areas mostly devoid of them. That just means they are a slightly different strain of FYGM refuse. They want a social safety net for themselves, but not for the black guy in the city. Sorry if I don't act kindly to the barbarians as they sack Rome.
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Yes. YES. Do it, Mitch. Publicly remind people what a disaster the debt ceiling was. Prime the pump for 2016.  I'm 90% certain though this is just to lock down/bump support in Kentucky to beat Grimes. What are they going to do, shut down even harder than they've ever shut down before? It's not like there's anything left for them to do.
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Ron Jeremy posted:THere's a website I haven't thought of in a while. I expected LGF to be freep-lite based on what it was like during the Iraq war, but it was surprisingly... well... not. http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/35243_Why_I_Parted_Ways_With_The_Right
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ReindeerF posted:Most of the time they're really nice people in person, they just have completely bizarre and angry political views. I know many of them personally. They'll give you the shirt off their backs, invite you over for dinner, be gregarious and then a picture of Obama will flash by on the screen and it's like someone with PTSD hearing a car backfire. They're kind to you if you are like them, or appear to be so. If they figure out you're not a zero on the Kinsey scale or don't go to Church/the right kind of Church, things change dramatically. If you're only willing to help out the people who look, gently caress, and pray like you, you're not a good person.
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Chokes McGee posted:Yes. YES. Do it, Mitch. Publicly remind people what a disaster the debt ceiling was. Prime the pump for 2016. Screw with the Debt Ceiling and destroy the world economy?
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rkajdi posted:Screw with the Debt Ceiling and destroy the world economy? Ron Paul 2015
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ReindeerF posted:Visit rural Louisana or East Texas, to pick a couple offhand. I know what you're talking about, but if this is true then you haven't seen the real blue collar version. They don't wait for the car door to close or look around both ways before talking about the niggers loudly. Want directions? Take a left at Niggertown. When you see the old friend of the family sitting on the tree stump, you almost dere. Dat boy sheriff Papillon, he a high yella niggah, you ain't gon have no problem wid him. Mmhmm. These people assuredly exist, but their sheer numbers make them pretty irrelevant, since only about 15% of the US' population is rural. The GOP's true base is white (sub)urbanite church goers.
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rkajdi posted:That just means they are a slightly different strain of FYGM refuse. They want a social safety net for themselves, but not for the black guy in the city. Sorry if I don't act kindly to the barbarians as they sack Rome. The barbarians as they sack Rome? drat, some folks who like to think of government spending as being too high and wanting to curb the debt and reduce taxes and bring regulations and control to the state and local levels... they want to sack Rome? Your rhetoric breeds their rhetoric and vice versa.
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rkajdi posted:They're kind to you if you are like them, or appear to be so. If they figure out you're not a zero on the Kinsey scale or don't go to Church/the right kind of Church, things change dramatically. If you're only willing to help out the people who look, gently caress, and pray like you, you're not a good person. Anyway, personal and public morality tend to be fairly shchizo. I'm glad to live in a world where there's not a constant pressure to be particularly anything, but it's not like every single person becomes nasty and awful just because they know you're an atheist who disagrees with their politics and so on. It just makes life more difficult avoiding hot buttons. That's not inherently poor and conservative, of course. The inverse does exist, it's just less prevalent these days. Family Values posted:These people assuredly exist, but their sheer numbers make them pretty irrelevant, since only about 15% of the US' population is rural. The GOP's true base is white (sub)urbanite church goers. It was about degree, not percentage.
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rkajdi posted:I grew up in rural America too. Guess what? The "gently caress the rich" types are also the "gently caress the educated, gays, Muslims, blacks, ect." types and they vote for the Republican candidate. Western Iowa is all rural and gave us King. And has ensured that branstad has continued to poo poo up this state as governor. They are very nice people, but are conservative as gently caress and are all willing to buy the fox news lines that it is the democrats who hate the poor and the GOP really has their best interests at heart, really!
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ReindeerF posted:Visit rural Louisana or East Texas, to pick a couple offhand. I know what you're talking about, but if this is true then you haven't seen the real blue collar version. They don't wait for the car door to close or look around both ways before talking about the niggers loudly. Want directions? Take a left at Niggertown. When you see the old friend of the family sitting on the tree stump, you almost dere. Dat boy sheriff Papillon, he a high yella niggah, you ain't gon have no problem wid him. Mmhmm. Yeah you're probably right that the rural south is an entirely different beast. I grew up in the rural Midwest. rkajdi posted:That just means they are a slightly different strain of FYGM refuse. They want a social safety net for themselves, but not for the black guy in the city. Sorry if I don't act kindly to the barbarians as they sack Rome. Having known these people for a lot of my life, a lot of their ignorance comes from a lack of exposure to other cultures or people. Much of this can be fixed by education and getting them out of their small towns. The strain of ignorance that projects from suburban types tends to be less easily fixed. I'd rather not just say "well gently caress them then" because a lot of these people are sympathetic to populist and leftist ideas, they just need help getting past the ignorance that comes from cultural isolation. Aves Maria! fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Aug 20, 2014 |
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Amergin posted:The barbarians as they sack Rome? I know you're an idiot troll, but I'm responding for everyone else. Yes, people who are willing to screw with the debt ceiling are barbarians sacking Rome. Defaulting on the debt would destroy the world economy. This cannot be understated. However bad the Great Depression was, this would be worse. And not just for Americans, but for everyone involved in the world economy (i.e. everyone on the planet)
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rkajdi posted:They're kind to you if you are like them, or appear to be so. If they figure out you're not a zero on the Kinsey scale or don't go to Church/the right kind of Church, things change dramatically. If you're only willing to help out the people who look, gently caress, and pray like you, you're not a good person. Not necessarily. I have a group of friends who I share sports, food, and videogames with. They and their parents are frothing-at-the-mouth Tea Partiers because GUNS. I know they see my Obama stickers on my car, and I don't think they care--because they're good people as long as you keep the topic off politics.
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420DD Butts posted:I'd rather not just say "well gently caress them then" because a lot of these people are sympathetic to populist and leftist ideas, they just need help getting past the ignorance that comes from cultural isolation. Populism might get economic justice for whites, but it'll be at the cost of every other kind of minority in existence. It's a dangerous and honestly evil route that has lead to piles of regression in the US on every cultural issue possible.
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rkajdi posted:I know you're an idiot troll, but I'm responding for everyone else. Yes, people who are willing to screw with the debt ceiling are barbarians sacking Rome. Defaulting on the debt would destroy the world economy. This cannot be understated. However bad the Great Depression was, this would be worse. And not just for Americans, but for everyone involved in the world economy (i.e. everyone on the planet) Then how about we reduce our debt and cut our spending rather than continue raising the debt ceiling, making debt sound like some irrelevant economic statistic?
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http://wonkette.com/557700/masterpiece-theatre-foxs-griff-jenkins-his-black-friend-re-enact-ferguson-cigarillo-caper So apparently foxnews has decided that sending their delicate personnel to Ferguson is far too dangerous. Instead, they're brining Ferguson to you!
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Amergin posted:Then how about we reduce our debt and cut our spending rather than continue raising the debt ceiling, making debt sound like some irrelevant economic statistic? because debt is useful and good, only little pantywaist nerds worry about national debt like the bank is going to come powerbomb them
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Popular Thug Drink posted:because debt is useful and good, only little pantywaist nerds worry about national debt like the bank is going to come powerbomb them Debt is useful and good so more is better? I'm not the one freaking out over defaulting on our debt here. If debt is so useful and good how can it possibly be the source of a possible world economic collapse?
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Amergin posted:Then how about we reduce our debt and cut our spending rather than continue raising the debt ceiling, making debt sound like some irrelevant economic statistic? Hey remember when we were paying out debt down too fast and how that was a horrible thing? And remember how we should cut taxes on the upper brackets for that reason? And remember when debt was out of control so we should cut taxes on the upper brackets for THAT reason? Is there any problem for which cutting taxes on the upper bracket isn't the solution?
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