Sephiroth_IRA posted:

edit: eh nm.

lol the first wave is already gay. Is it the curriculum or is it because Moochelle is forcing our kids to eat gay vegetables?

amanasleep posted:

Warren Mosler's 7 Deadly Innocent Frauds of Economic Policy is a good place to start.

Popular Thug Drink posted:

I wouldn't mind an Amergin fun zone for when I feel like taking the bait.

zoux posted:

In fact, they say that they know it's parody, but put it up anyways. I hate the goddamn Tea Party.

rkajdi posted:

That's not the dichotomy I was given. Populism (at least as formulated in the US) is a backwards, socially conservative movement that actively screws with women, LGBT people, as well as racial and religious minorities. I'm not going to throw all those people under the bus so poor whites can get ahead, again. I'm all for New Deal style programs, but ones that actively help out minorities and directly destroy the racist underpinnings in society.

Sorry, I'm not going to support some serpent handler trash so that they can turn around and stone me because I don't pray and gently caress the way their boring half-educated asses prefer. And American Populism has always been full of that kind of idiocy. Williams Jennings Bryan was a proto-drug warrior and pre-modern creationist idiot. At least the Vulture Capitalist scumbag has a real education and doesn't believe in pre-modern, counter-factual garbage. I don't care how much social safety net I get for it, I'm not going to help some knuckledragger oppress everyone again.

Luckily enough, that's not the choice we have. I can vote for a real leftist who's actually willing to keep minorities safe while also practicing some economic justice. But I'm someone who voted Nader and is still drat proud of it.

Nintendo Kid posted:

It's not really an oversimplification of populism, as populism simply refers to whatever you can get a mass movement from out of regular people.

quote:

Thus it's different in every combination of time period and location.

420DD Butts posted:

How is "populism is inherently regressive due to the 30s" not a gross oversimplification of


that? Populism is not inherently any political or social ideology, and I don't see how claiming that all possible populist movements are going to turn into white people patting themselves on the back is not an oversimplification.

Fried Chicken posted:

This tweet is true. There is no mention of Ferguson on the NRA's twitter feed. However, while the NRA is the most vocal and well funded gun rights organization, it is not the only one, and not all of the others are silent. There is a gun club in north Texas doing open carry marches through Dallas to protest police violence in solidarity with Ferguson and promoting the right to open carry. The twist?






http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/26328877/gun-club-patrols-south-dallas-streets


Get In.

James The 1st posted:

Is this a MMT writting? Does it show if their ideas are any good?

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

Amazing.

420DD Butts posted:

This is a ridiculous oversimplification of populism based on the history of 1930s and 40s Democratic party policy. It is also ridiculous because I was suggesting that instead of demonizing rural people and pretending that liberal urbanites are the only people that matter, we could reach out and educate them to break them out of their cultural bubble. The rural poor are much more sympathetic to actual leftist causes than a bunch of centrist urban liberals who speak out of one side of their mouth about "equality" and then support poo poo like being Tough on Crime(tm) or, until recently, the War on Drugs. Sometimes it's better to engage in actual outreach than decide you hate someone and never attempt to sway their opinions. Waiting for a bunch of wealthy urban whites to come to our rescue is hardly preferable to actually working at educating voters in the long-term.

rkajdi posted:

We could with the first wave of American Populism too. Anyone up for unconstitutional Native America ethnic cleansing or yet another economic collapse as the men put in charge did not understand how the system worked. American Populism has had horrible effects on having a working government in every instance of it, not to mention the backwards movements for all the people who aren't "Real Americans". Hell, the Tea Party is latest great populist revival, and they are a drat inch from wrecking the world economy. How many more instances would you need before you realise the idea is bankrupt? The leftism these Populism support is FYGM leftism. It's like saying that the Nazis were left because they supported a social safety net for Aryans, but not for anyone else. Anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-modernity, anti-PoC "leftism" isn't actual leftism.

Alter Ego posted:

Not necessarily. I have a group of friends who I share sports, food, and videogames with. They and their parents are frothing-at-the-mouth Tea Partiers because GUNS.

I know they see my Obama stickers on my car, and I don't think they care--because they're good people as long as you keep the topic off politics.

SirKibbles posted:

One of the first comments is calling them thugs. Haha people are complaining about the Huey Newton name.

iamnotcreative posted:

White_People.jpg

effectual posted:

Oh, in that case let me just invite Pol Pot over for dinner. It's fine as long as we don't talk politics

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Over the weekend, my ten-year-old son and I had just finished eating supper at a diner near our house. The multiple TVs in the diner were all showing cable news coverage of the Ferguson situation. On the way out, we passed an African American mother talking to her son, a child around my boy's age, seated in a booth near the front door.

The boy asked his mother, "So I should just put my hands in the air?"

"Yes," his mother said. "Just put your hands in the air."

"If I put my hands in the air, will the police not shoot?" he asked.

"Probably not, but you can't be sure. Some people say you should just kneel or lie down, don't ask questions, just get down on the ground."

"If I lie down on the ground, they won't shoot?"

"Probably," she said.

zoux posted:

"If I lie down on the ground, they won't shoot?"

"Probably," she said.

zoux posted:

Pol Pot's only #6 in the Internet strawman comparison power rankings so he's showing a lot of constraint.

rogerebert.com of all places has a story about white privilege.


It's really depressing that middle class white kids grow up getting told that they can be anything they want to be and live for a number of years in innocence where their parents can shield them from the lovely world around us but black parents have to have these horribly depressing conversations with their children because they have to know how to act very carefully because the police just might shoot them to death.

ufarn posted:

Roger Ebert was pretty outspoken about civil rights

Fried Chicken posted:

amanasleep posted:

You get the full text in PDF. It's a quick read. Take your time. Let me know if you have questions.

rkajdi posted:

We could with the first wave of American Populism too. Anyone up for unconstitutional Native America ethnic cleansing or yet another economic collapse as the men put in charge did not understand how the system worked. American Populism has had horrible effects on having a working government in every instance of it, not to mention the backwards movements for all the people who aren't "Real Americans". Hell, the Tea Party is latest great populist revival, and they are a drat inch from wrecking the world economy. How many more instances would you need before you realise the idea is bankrupt? The leftism these Populism support is FYGM leftism. It's like saying that the Nazis were left because they supported a social safety net for Aryans, but not for anyone else. Anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-modernity, anti-PoC "leftism" isn't actual leftism.

Amergin posted:

Then how about we reduce our debt and cut our spending rather than continue raising the debt ceiling, making debt sound like some irrelevant economic statistic?

Amergin posted:

drat, some folks who like to think of government spending as being too high and wanting to curb the debt and reduce taxes and bring regulations and control to the state and local levels... they want to sack Rome?

VitalSigns posted:

Jeez man, put some effort into it.

"The debt is so horrible it's worth shutting down the government. We have to reduce the deficit as fast as possible to pay it down, oh yeah and let's cut revenue some more "

zoux posted:

I dunno why you think that's an unrealistic troll because that's literally the legislative platform of the GOP.

James The 1st posted:

It's a fascinating read. One thing I wonder is that if what he says about government not needing taxes to spend is true, why does everyone get it so wrong?

zoux posted:

I dunno why you think that's an unrealistic troll because that's literally the legislative platform of the GOP.

Killer robot posted:

A while back I was reading something from 1980 or so, where the author lamented how many poor and middle class whites who could be easy allies of the left had been turned into solid conservative voters simply because it was conservatives who were at least pretending something other than naked contempt for those rural hicks in the flyover states. It's not changed so much.