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Lemming posted:I would vote for a fish if it vetoed anything passed by a Republican congress. Liberal Tea Party right here, folks.
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hangedman1984 posted:Hilary is not the president the U.S. needs, its the one it deserves. Basically this. Amergin posted:Liberal Tea Party right here, folks. And you're surprised most goons are like this when there's no viable left wing alternative why?
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Aug 27, 2014 16:15
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Amergin posted:2) She wasn't in favor of LGBT marriage rights until it was vogue. She wasn't in favor of LGBT/women in combat roles until it was vogue. She is quite literally the moderate liberal Romney. Yes, there is no difference between the positions Clinton will take and the positions Paul or Romney would take. This is a true thing. Tell me more.
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Aug 27, 2014 16:15
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Paul Ryan did a book signing at one of the major bookstores in my town this week. I'm in Texas, in a pretty deeply conservative city. They did a ton of publicity, hyping the event for weeks in advance, with hundreds of copies of his new book prominently displayed in the front of the store as you walk in. He sold two copies. 
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Aug 27, 2014 16:20
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So Mitch McConnell got caught on tape bitching to a bunch of billionaires about how the Senate keeps voting on minimum wage increases, unemployment, and student loans, and telling them how he would gut Wall Street reform Bouncing him out would make me very happy
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Aug 27, 2014 16:39
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Fried Chicken posted:So Mitch McConnell got caught on tape bitching to a bunch of billionaires about how the Senate keeps voting on minimum wage increases, unemployment, and student loans, and telling them how he would gut Wall Street reform Me too but we all know nothing will happen. 
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Aug 27, 2014 16:45
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Fried Chicken posted:So Mitch McConnell got caught on tape bitching to a bunch of billionaires about how the Senate keeps voting on minimum wage increases, unemployment, and student loans, and telling them how he would gut Wall Street reform Like it's so easy just to have some regulation and decent wages but they just can't help being even richer and calling anything remotely positive that Obama does socialist that they are ironically probably making socialism easier to swallow as a concept and it amuses the hell out of me.
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Aug 27, 2014 16:46
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I know it's been said a thousand times but even if all other domestic and foreign policy issues end up being a wash, President Hillary is infinitely preferable to Mitt Romney or [insert shitbag here] because of SCOTUS nominations. If the Court moves any further Right we are well and truly hosed for generations.
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Aug 27, 2014 16:53
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John Boehner is a pretty great Speaker of the House, says John Boehner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLjdfND_8KQ
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Aug 27, 2014 16:55
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SirKibbles posted:The lesson they need to learn is you have to be for something positive and consistent about it and don't promise poo poo you can't do. Also don't compromise right out the gate goddamn. The one benefit of a Hilary presidency over Obama is she knows how to do politics. Since when? What are some of her great political accomplishments? Where does this reputation for political competence even come from? Her husband was somewhat competent. What did Senator Clinton really accomplish politically? She's always seemed somewhat awkward poltically to me, actually.
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Aug 27, 2014 16:56
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hangedman1984 posted:Hilary is not the president the U.S. needs, its the one it deserves. "You go to the polls with the candidates you have, not the ones you want."
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Unzip and Attack posted:I know it's been said a thousand times but even if all other domestic and foreign policy issues end up being a wash, President Hillary is infinitely preferable to Mitt Romney or [insert shitbag here] because of SCOTUS nominations. If the Court moves any further Right we are well and truly hosed for generations. When Ginsburg retires, the Court will move further right. A Republican would move it extremely to the right, but Obama nor Hilary will nominate someone as or more liberal than Ginsburg.
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Aug 27, 2014 16:58
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Justus posted:Since when? What are some of her great political accomplishments? Where does this reputation for political competence even come from? Her husband was somewhat competent. What did Senator Clinton really accomplish politically? She's always seemed somewhat awkward poltically to me, actually. I think many people, myself included, believe a President Hillary Clinton would effectively be President Clinton, Inc. Part 2. Clinton, Inc. has had pretty good political success and has good relations with many folks in Washington, especially on the right. Speaking of which, there was a good interview about the recent book on Clinton, Inc. Highly recommend it (don't be scared away by Juan Williams, it's actually a pretty objective discussion on the Clintons).
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Aug 27, 2014 17:01
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Please stop plagiarizing Bill Kristol.
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Aug 27, 2014 17:02
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Although no one can truly replace the notorious RBG, Sotomayor has done a great job so far playing a similar role. I don't really fear for future Dem-nominated replacements, although the process might be a giant clusterfuck depending on how bad the senate is positioned.
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Have Sotomayor or Kagan shown themselves to be any less liberal than RBG? Has she dissented from anything they signed onto?
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Stultus Maximus posted:When Ginsburg retires, the Court will move further right. A Republican would move it extremely to the right, but Obama nor Hilary will nominate someone as or more liberal than Ginsburg. Depends on how you define liberal, but Sotomayor is probably the most liberal justice on the bench right now and Kagan is a generic liberal justice who votes the same as Sotomayor and Ginsburg 99% of the time, but may have different reasoning behind her ruling.
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Aug 27, 2014 17:04
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GROVER CURES HOUSE posted:Please stop plagiarizing Bill Kristol. I thoroughly enjoyed his tribute to Robin Williams the other night, no clue why you're bringing him up here though.
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Aug 27, 2014 17:05
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Stultus Maximus posted:When Ginsburg retires, the Court will move further right. A Republican would move it extremely to the right, but Obama nor Hilary will nominate someone as or more liberal than Ginsburg. I don't think this is certain. Both of Obama's Court nominees have been solidly liberal, if somewhat less outspoken regarding decisions after the fact. RBG rightly gets a lot of praise for being a champion of leftist jurisprudence but I think Kagan and Sotomayor are comparable in purely legal terms.
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Aug 27, 2014 17:07
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Also the most likely Democratic Supreme court nominees in the future are Sri Srinivasan, Goodwin Liu, Paul Watford, Kamala Harris, or Pam Karlan. All of whom would be excellent judges and if anyone of them replaced Kennedy or Scalia it would swing the court way to the left.
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Aug 27, 2014 17:09
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SirKibbles posted:Hey I don't support her but she's all but guaranteed to be president if Biden doesn't run if. I love Joe Biden, but he isn't going to beat Hillary Clinton in the primary. Amergin posted:I think many people, myself included, believe a President Hillary Clinton would effectively be President Clinton, Inc. Part 2. Clinton, Inc. has had pretty good political success and has good relations with many folks in Washington, especially on the right. It's going to be weird hearing "Whitewater", "FBI Files", and "Cattle Futures" discussed seriously in the news again.
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Aug 27, 2014 17:13
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Unzip and Attack posted:I don't think this is certain. Both of Obama's Court nominees have been solidly liberal, if somewhat less outspoken regarding decisions after the fact. RBG rightly gets a lot of praise for being a champion of leftist jurisprudence but I think Kagan and Sotomayor are comparable in purely legal terms. RBG was also appointed by Bill who's not exactly the ideal of progressivism either.
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Stultus Maximus posted:When Ginsburg retires, the Court will move further right. A Republican would move it extremely to the right, but Obama nor Hilary will nominate someone as or more liberal than Ginsburg. Sotomayor is more liberal than Ginsburg. Sotomayor is the most liberal justice the court has ever had.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I love Joe Biden, but he isn't going to beat Hillary Clinton in the primary. Political News stories, like fashion are cyclical. Everything old is new again. Just wait till Jeb runs, then We can discuss the political legacy of his brother again! 
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Aug 27, 2014 17:19
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Fried Chicken posted:So Mitch McConnell got caught on tape bitching to a bunch of billionaires about how the Senate keeps voting on minimum wage increases, unemployment, and student loans, and telling them how he would gut Wall Street reform I can't wait for Grimes to start using those quotes in her ads.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Also the most likely Democratic Supreme court nominees in the future are Sri Srinivasan, Goodwin Liu, Paul Watford, Kamala Harris, or Pam Karlan. All of whom would be excellent judges and if anyone of them replaced Kennedy or Scalia it would swing the court way to the left. Not up on my SCOTUS, any chance of any of them being confirmed if/when that should come up?
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What are the options in case a democratic president wants to name SCOTUS judges that faces opposition? Can the republicans block it forever with no end in sight? If so, does something prevent from both sides blocking any nomination forever, thus leaving seats empty? I mean, in case of total brick wall, just letting the old fucks die and leaving the seats empty would make the Court better.
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Aug 27, 2014 17:31
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I bitch about Obama a lot but his SCOTUS appointments seem on the level (I really like Sotomayor) so I am more than willing to give Hillary the benefit of the doubt. Regardless a 6-3 court is unthinkable.
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Vahakyla posted:What are the options in case a democratic president wants to name SCOTUS judges that faces opposition? Can the republicans block it forever with no end in sight? They can do exactly what they've been doing for other federal appointees but it's never been done before.
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Fried Chicken posted:So Mitch McConnell got caught on tape bitching to a bunch of billionaires about how the Senate keeps voting on minimum wage increases, unemployment, and student loans, and telling them how he would gut Wall Street reform I just moved to Kentucky last month, can't wait to vote against Yertle
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Vahakyla posted:What are the options in case a democratic president wants to name SCOTUS judges that faces opposition? Can the republicans block it forever with no end in sight? Democrats blocked Nixon's first two nominees, which led him to eventually nominate the man who wrote the majority opinion in Roe v Wade.
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Vahakyla posted:What are the options in case a democratic president wants to name SCOTUS judges that faces opposition? Can the republicans block it forever with no end in sight? Tradition is literally the only thing stopping a GOP senate from becoming a complete brick wall for SCOTUS nominations.
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Reminder that when the first SCOTUS appointment opportunity for Obama came up, the initial refrain of opposition (before he even nominated anybody) was "nothing in the constitution says we have to have 9 justices, it could just be John Roberts alone"
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Spoilers Below posted:Paul Ryan did a book signing at one of the major bookstores in my town this week. I'm in Texas, in a pretty deeply conservative city. They did a ton of publicity, hyping the event for weeks in advance, with hundreds of copies of his new book prominently displayed in the front of the store as you walk in. Texans aren't interested in hearing what some Yankee has to say? Color me surprised. also hangedman1984 posted:Hilary is not the president the U.S. needs, its the one it deserves.
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Aug 27, 2014 18:03
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Vahakyla posted:So what if a justice dies and court hangs at 4-4? What then? It goes back to whatever the lower court ruling was and the precedent only applies to that circuit.
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Vahakyla posted:So what if a justice dies and court hangs at 4-4? What then? Gets punted back to the lower court. E: beaten 
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Vahakyla posted:So what if a justice dies and court hangs at 4-4? What then? The Gipper awakens from his slumber, retrieves Excalibur and returns to the White House to become the President Eternal. Conservatism will enjoy permanent victory and prosperity shall wash o'er the land.
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Vahakyla posted:So what if a justice dies and court hangs at 4-4? What then? I believe in this case the lower court's decision stands. Which I guess would make for hilarious good times if there's a circuit split on the issue. Edit: Beaten! In that case I change my answer to: a round of Judicial Russian Roulette to get us down to a 4-3 ruling. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Aug 27, 2014 |
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Vahakyla posted:So what if a justice dies and court hangs at 4-4? What then? Lower court ruling stands. As far as potential SCOTUS candidates, I still love the idea of President Hillary nominating Obama. And I have a judicial boner for John E. Jones, who was an actual potential SCOTUS nominee during the Bush years until he had the audacity to go all "activist judge" and kill Intelligent Design in the classroom.
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