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Kurtofan posted:Can't the bubonic plague be treated?
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Kurtofan posted:Can't the bubonic plague be treated? Quite easily. 7 days of antibiotics and you're good to go. Still has a ~10% mortality if treated but you can do prophylaxis if exposed.
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Aug 29, 2014 20:16
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This is all a hilarious overreaction is what I'm getting at here. I mean come on. Terror Laptop of Doom. It's like lovely 80s sci fi.
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Aug 29, 2014 20:25
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Bubonic plauge weaponized? There is quite a bit of historic precedent, the Siege of Kaffa being pretty infamous here, and may well have been the most 2successfull" bioweapon usage in history. The Imperial Japanese army also experimented with it and definitly used it against China, it likely tried to use it against the Soviet Union (both due to more serious Soviet resistance against Japanese military incursions, Soviet restrictions on civilian movement and due to much lower population density, efforts against them were far less successfull if they happened). It did succeed in causing several epidemic plague outbreaks in Chinas Chengde province. Biologically, Y.Pestis can resist phagocytosis and the virulent strains apperantly gently caress up the hosts biological economy by producing humongous amounts of aspartic acid, and can under some circumstances multiply inside of a Makrophage while being eaten and kill the Makrophage. This renders it into a very tough opponent for the immune system. It can be pretty easily treated by a variety of antibiotics (Streptomycin works really well), some of these are pretty cheap and fairly easily synthesized. To actually murder a large amount of people with it, you would have induce pneumonic plague which is way more contagious. IIRC this thankfully hasnt been managed yet.
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Aug 29, 2014 20:51
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Aug 29, 2014 21:08
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MothraAttack posted:Some Kurdish media are reporting fighting between IS supporters and Iranian security forces in Iranian Kurdistan. Can you confirm/deny, kustomkarkommando? Lots of talk about it anyway, primary source seems to be this and twitter boasting - not much confirmation yet. That says fighting up west of Urmia which used to be prime recruiting ground for Kurdish Islamist groups back in the early 2000's. A chunk of fighters from Ansar Al-Islam (a predominately Kurdish Islamist group who operate along the Iran-Iraq border) just gave bay'ah to ISIS a couple of days ago, that's a bit far north for them though but they have developed a web of sympathizers on the Iranian side of the border. Could be connected? I did see one tweet which mentioning Marivan which is more in the ballpark for potential Ansar Al-Islam supporters kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Aug 29, 2014 |
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Aug 29, 2014 21:12
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Could the plague talk be a red herring? I mean, it seems like now would be about the easiest it's ever been to collect some Ebola samples, especially for a suicidally motivated group with lots of manpower and enormous resources
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Aug 29, 2014 21:20
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Did it also have a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook and DOOM II?
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Aug 29, 2014 21:22
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wheez the roux posted:Could the plague talk be a red herring? I mean, it seems like now would be about the easiest it's ever been to collect some Ebola samples, especially for a suicidally motivated group with lots of manpower and enormous resources Ebola is really scary but given how slowly it spreads it's a lot less deadly than just using guns and knives.
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Aug 29, 2014 21:22
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Rocks posted:Did it also have a copy of the Anarchist's Cookbook and DOOM II?
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Aug 29, 2014 21:23
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The third edition of the Islamic State's Dibaq magazine has just been put online. It contains what's claimed to be a statement from James Foley, some of which appears in the videoquote:My name is James Wright Foley and I am an Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Aug 29, 2014 |
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Aug 29, 2014 21:23
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Getting your hands on any sort of bacterial pathogen would be trivial, get some water samples from some Bangladeshi sewer and isolate pandemic cholera strains for probably <100$ of equipment, get C.botulinum from badly canned food, catch the right squirrel in North America for bubonic plague etc. Then infect a couple people and watch them get treated with antibiotics, minimal casualties, see post 2001 anthrax attacks.
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Aug 29, 2014 21:29
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Brown Moses posted:The third edition of the Islamic State's Dibaq magazine has just been put online. That sure is an "interesting" magazine.
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Aug 29, 2014 21:33
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Brown Moses posted:The third edition of the Islamic State's Dibaq magazine has just been put online. It contains what's claimed to be a statement from James Foley, some of which appears in the video Actually kind of scary stuff. Thanks for posting.
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Aug 29, 2014 21:35
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On page 38 they claim a dozen European prisoners were released after they met the Islamic States demends, leaving on US and British hostages in their hands.
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Aug 29, 2014 21:43
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Brown Moses posted:On page 38 they claim a dozen European prisoners were released after they met the Islamic States demends, leaving on US and British hostages in their hands. Reminds me of some nytimes article about how much money was being given to various such groups to release European hostages, among other things.
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Aug 29, 2014 21:47
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Well that was a disturbing read. Gives a good look at their psyche I guess, but I'll leave that to the real analysts.
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Aug 29, 2014 21:47
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I keep saying this every time I see this stuff but I will repeat it again. Seeing this much good design and craft put to use for that kind of savagery and mentality is incredibly depressing.
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Aug 29, 2014 21:55
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 DIRTY BOMBS BIOWEAPONS EXPERT INTERVIEWS OUR RATINGS THROUGH THE ROOFISIL knows how to play the game, logistics be damned. They want to be the monster under your bed.
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Aug 29, 2014 21:59
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Any particular reason why IS consider the Peshmerga to be Zionists?
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Aug 29, 2014 22:12
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Any particular reason why IS consider the Peshmerga to be Zionists? Probably related to why Russians call those who oppose them fascists. Or why America calls anyone we don't like communists/terrorists (depending on skin tone). Or why Israel calls anyone who criticizes it antisemitic. It's the easy "Powerful Other" that resonates with the population/constituents so they are immediately on board with what you're saying, regardless what the truth might be.
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Aug 29, 2014 22:15
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The PressTV interview with the Islamist fighter that had left the Islamic State to fight with Jabhat al-Nusra was sadly kind of funny, where he describes IS and its methods as being too radical even for him, a veteran jihadist. "Everyone is kuffar with these people"
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Aug 29, 2014 22:23
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Any particular reason why IS consider the Peshmerga to be Zionists? Because they're idiots.
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Aug 29, 2014 22:32
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^ That tooemanresu tnuocca posted:Any particular reason why IS consider the Peshmerga to be Zionists? They are 'secular' nationalists who don't believe in government by the one true religion.
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Aug 29, 2014 22:42
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ISIS cares about Zionists? They seem so happy with killing Muslims.
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Aug 29, 2014 22:52
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McDowell posted:
Yes, certainly. It is a little fishy that their TOP SECRET BIOWEAPON RESEARCH CENTER laptop was just abandoned to the FSA, and that (presumably) Muhammed S. himself was chilling in a border village rather than somewhere more secure if they are truly preparing to dedicate serious resources and personnel to bioweapon development. Given how out in the open ISIS is anyway I wouldn't be surprised if all of this was intended to be released.
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Aug 29, 2014 23:30
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I could see it happening. Didn't some journalists in Afghanistan accidently buy a used computer at some electronics store with a bunch of AQ or Taliban secrets on it?
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Aug 29, 2014 23:37
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As cold as it sounds I don't understand the cultural differences with those European countries enough to get why their governments are willing to pay millions of dollars to terrorist organizations just to save a handful of lives. Do the people support those decisions? It just seems shortsighted.
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Aug 29, 2014 23:40
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Jazerus posted:Yes, certainly. It is a little fishy that their TOP SECRET BIOWEAPON RESEARCH CENTER laptop was just abandoned to the FSA, and that (presumably) Muhammed S. himself was chilling in a border village rather than somewhere more secure if they are truly preparing to dedicate serious resources and personnel to bioweapon development. Given how out in the open ISIS is anyway I wouldn't be surprised if all of this was intended to be released. I'm not sure if they are puppet masters, they could very well be interested in these things (because the TV has been saying for 10+ years that this is what we are afraid of). But obtaining, let alone weaponizing these things is different from talk.
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Aug 29, 2014 23:42
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Bahrain just denied Maryam Alkhawaja entry, claiming she doesn't have citizenship. She's Bahraini.
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Aug 29, 2014 23:45
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eSports Chaebol posted:Ebola is really scary but given how slowly it spreads it's a lot less deadly than just using guns and knives. The history of chem / bio weapons is basically this. Same thing with Syrian chemical weapons; lots of words spent talking about things that have caused less than a fraction of a percent of the total deaths while conventional weapons kill hundreds of thousands. This has always been the case though, WWI for the classic example- only 88,000 of the 8.5 million Of course, needless to say, chem/ bio weapons are completely awful, it's just that their effectiveness has always been greatly exaggerated- they are weapons that are far more valuable for the terror they cause than actually being more dangerous than the average conventional weapon. See also dirty bombs. tsa fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Aug 30, 2014 |
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Aug 29, 2014 23:47
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Any particular reason why IS consider the Peshmerga to be Zionists? Well Israel has supported Kurdish rebels in Iraq since the 60s, and has voiced support for the Kurds recently. By that definition a good chunk of the world is Zionist, so maybe its something deeper, or they just thought it was a mean thing to say.
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Aug 30, 2014 00:26
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Xandu posted:Bahrain just denied Maryam Alkhawaja entry, claiming she doesn't have citizenship.
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Aug 30, 2014 00:30
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Cardboard Box A posted:Citizenship Revoked? I'd call it indefinitely misplaced, if anything.
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Aug 30, 2014 00:42
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Taking their cues from Cameron etc?
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Aug 30, 2014 00:51
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tsa posted:The history of chem / bio weapons is basically this. Same thing with Syrian chemical weapons; lots of words spent talking about things that have caused less than a fraction of a percent of the total deaths while conventional weapons kill hundreds of thousands. This has always been the case though, WWI for the classic example- only 88,000 of the 8.5 million The reason they're banned is pretty much entirely because they are ineffective. Using them is causing suffering for the sake of causing suffering, which is hosed up even by the standards of war.
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Aug 30, 2014 01:03
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Is there still evidence of arms shipments direct from Russia arriving in Syria? I ask because a small story in a recent issue of an aviation magazine details that RAC MiG has (at some stage, it cites a corporate annual report for 2011) completed upgrades to 4 of Syria's MiG-29 fleet. It also mentions that Russia intends to continue with the delivery of Yakovlev Yak-130 trainers to the Syrians, starting this year. I can't see how they would be able to actually get these aircraft into Syria without at least some difficulty.
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Aug 30, 2014 01:22
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tsa posted:The history of chem / bio weapons is basically this. Same thing with Syrian chemical weapons; lots of words spent talking about things that have caused less than a fraction of a percent of the total deaths while conventional weapons kill hundreds of thousands. This has always been the case though, WWI for the classic example- only 88,000 of the 8.5 million People always mess this up. Yes, chemical weapons aren't an effective weapon in a military setting. But I challenge you to find any attack on a civilian populace hiding in their basement that can be as deadly as dumping a bunch of sarin or VX on their neighborhood, that isn't flat out scorched earth tactics. It's a fraction of a percent, but the barrel bombings and conventional bombings have been a daily occurrence for years. There's only been one major chemical attack, and a handful of extremely small scale ones. Assad killed the entirety of Protective Edge in a matter of hours. As far as massacres go, it's in the top 5 of all during the Syrian war, and it definitely required the least amount of effort of all those. As far as terrorism with the intent of killing as many people as possible goes, chemical weapons are much more dangerous than conventional weapons.
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Aug 30, 2014 01:48
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Volkerball posted:As far as terrorism with the intent of killing as many people as possible goes, chemical weapons are much more dangerous than conventional weapons. Thankfully Assad has surrendered most of his chemical arsenal so IS would have to manufacture their own CW (unless someone sells it to them) and then find a way to get it into countries that have spent tons of money for the past decade to prevent that kind of smuggling.
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McDowell posted:Thankfully Assad has surrendered most of his chemical arsenal so IS would have to manufacture their own CW (unless someone sells it to them) and then find a way to get it into countries that have spent tons of money for the past decade to prevent that kind of smuggling. I'm thankful that at least somebody believes Assad has surrendered most of his chemical arsenal.
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