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Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Haters Objector posted:

Isn't this the kind of poo poo we have drones for? Apart from bombing weddings and orphanages, of course.

Last I'd heard our potential involvement in Iraq III was going to be only logistical (with a likelihood of special forces), with the possibility of bombing stuff.

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froglet: Nov 12, 2009; You see, the best way to Stop the Boats is a massive swarm of autonomous armed dogs. Strafing a few boats will stop the rest and save many lives in the long term.

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Haters Objector posted:

the irc channel is p fascist

Love it or leave!

# ? Sep 1, 2014 09:56

Cpt Soban: Jul 23, 2011

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Last I'd heard our potential involvement in Iraq III was going to be only logistical (with a likelihood of special forces), with the possibility of bombing stuff.

Kind of like the LAST action in Iraq, that featured bombing stuff and using special forces, and arming the Kurds. BUT THIS TIME IT'S DIFFERENT.

# ? Sep 1, 2014 09:56

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-01/australian-who-fathered-surrogate-twins-facing-abuse-charges/5710796

IT

JUST

GETS

WORSE

Also that is pretty low effort with the OP, Les Affaires

# ? Sep 1, 2014 10:34

Milkfred E. Moore: Aug 27, 2006; 'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

quote:

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This includes the gendered insult 'DOTA'.

# ? Sep 1, 2014 10:36

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

You Am I posted:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-01/australian-who-fathered-surrogate-twins-facing-abuse-charges/5710796

IT

JUST

GETS

WORSE

Also that is pretty low effort with the OP, Les Affaires

I was Busey at the time and I had expected somebody else to pick up the task NOT MENTIONING ANY NAMES SEGWAYRAVE.

I will hash something out when I get home in four hours.

# ? Sep 1, 2014 10:39

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Cartoon posted:

As opposed to the other bunch of radicalised/corrupt dictators who are going to get support from us?

This nightmare was set in motion decades ago and was most recently sent into free fall by the 2003 war. We are as collectively responsible for what ISIS is doing as anybody else. Strangely enough pouring less arms and combatants into a war zone seems to cool things off rather than the other alternatives. And if we are so keen on preventing oppression/genocide where ever it is found there are plenty of other places we could be focused on, some as close as West Papua.

I agree, but stepping back and letting things cool off doesn't seem like it is going to provide much immediate relief to anyone who isn't a Sunni extremist in the north of Iraq right now. Obviously the best thing would be to have some serious discourse in Sunni society about religion and proper conduct towards people outside their faith or whatever, however I'm not seeing anything to suggest that is occurring, or if it is that it will result in anything meaningful.

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Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

You Am I posted:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-01/australian-who-fathered-surrogate-twins-facing-abuse-charges/5710796

IT

JUST

GETS

WORSE

Also that is pretty low effort with the OP, Les Affaires

gently caress! gently caress! FUUUUUCK Goddammit gently caress.

I hate this world.

# ? Sep 1, 2014 11:00

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

gay picnic defence posted:

I agree, but stepping back and letting things cool off doesn't seem like it is going to provide much immediate relief to anyone who isn't a Sunni extremist in the north of Iraq right now. Obviously the best thing would be to have some serious discourse in Sunni society about religion and proper conduct towards people outside their faith or whatever, however I'm not seeing anything to suggest that is occurring, or if it is that it will result in anything meaningful.

If this was an issue that anyone in the West was taking seriously there would be:

1/ A UN motion for involvement. Specifically the protection of minorities by UN sanctioned forces. Nope what we have is an internally generated 'fact finding mission'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/01/un-iraq-isis-war-crimes

If the Syrian experience is anything to go on. There will be a lot of hand wringing and gently caress all commitment to any kind of a rational process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Supervision_Mission_in_Syria

That UN oversight appears to be off the table for the US then it must be a further ill conceived unilateral intervention.

2/ A loving game plan. Here's NTATAs :- http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/we-should-have-debate-on-iraq-xenophon/story-e6frfku9-1227043330289

quote:

Abbott lays out Iraq strategy

2 HOURS AGO SEPTEMBER 01, 2014 5:49PM

Nick Xenophon has backed a push for a parliamentary debate on the growing involvement in Iraq.

PRIME Minister Tony Abbott has moved to ease public fears Australia could rush into a new war in Iraq, but warned the Islamic State "death cult" needs to be stopped.

AUSTRALIAN defence personnel are expected to conduct a third aid drop in northern Iraq within days - this time including guns and ammunition - as Kurdish Peshmerga forces battle Islamic State extremists. Prior to this week's mission to Erbil, RAAF aircraft have taken part in humanitarian airdrops to people trapped on Mount Sinjar and the besieged inhabitants of the town of Amerli.

Mindful of the divisive debate over the Iraq war in 2003, Mr Abbott told parliament on Monday the government had properly weighed up the risks. "Many Australians are understandably apprehensive about the risk of becoming involved in another long and costly conflict in the Middle East," he said. "Doing anything involves serious risks and weighty consequences. But doing nothing involves risks and consequences too." Australia could not leave the Iraqi people to face the horror of Islamic State, which he described as a "death cult"
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Labor joined the coalition to vote down a Greens motion calling for parliamentary approval of the latest mission. But the government and opposition later agreed on a two-hour Senate debate. The prime minister laid out four principles behind the government's decision to provide weapons and ammunition sourced from eastern Europe, but ruled out putting combat troops on the ground. The principles included a clear and achievable overall objective, a proportionate role for Australian forces, a proper risk assessment and an overall humanitarian objective. "Like President Obama, Australia has no intention to commit combat troops on the ground. But we're not inclined to stand by in the face of preventable genocide either," Mr Abbott said.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said the government also needed to ensure Iraq set up a unity government in coming months and that Australia denied the opportunity for its citizens to join the extremists and return home with terrorist skills. "We should not confuse empty jingoism and aggressive nationalism with steady decision-making," he said. Nor should we ignore the "dreadful consequences of fanaticism and extremism". Admitting he had not spoken with the Abbott government, Iraq's ambassador to Australia Mouayed Saleh suggested the guns should go through the central government in Baghdad rather than the Peshmerga.

"We are not saying they shouldn't have weapons, it just needs to be organised and coordinated with the central government," he told Sky News. The new Iraqi government headed by prime minister-designate Haider al-Abadi is set to be sworn in within the fortnight. Greens leader Christine Milne said Barack Obama had himself admitted he did not have a strategy for Iraq and yet Australia was "simply running behind" the US President.

Islamic State's campaign of fighting, beheadings and mass executions will be the subject of NATO talks involving Foreign Minister Julie Bishop this week.
Labor frontbencher Penny Wong said her party had opposed Australian intervention in Iraq in 2003 but endorsed President Obama's response which was "methodical and internationally inclusive".

It's like it came as a complete shock to everyone when a US installed Shia government in Iraq spawned a militant Sunni opposition who, by being disenfranchised by the 'new democratic' deal, turned to a violent uprising. The whole 2003 'intervention' was a double barreled cluster gently caress in an unstable region. At the end of the day Suddam Hussein killed way less of his people, minorities included, than the US did. And now our brilliant plan is to drop weapons to a radicalised terrorist group? Yep that'll work.

I'd go on but I'm getting seriously fatigued by the pants on head nature of our leaders. This is dumb. Really really dumb and will lead to more people, not less, getting killed.

# ? Sep 1, 2014 11:04

CROWS EVERYWHERE: Dec 17, 2012; CAW CAW CAW; Dinosaur Gum

Kommando posted:

Ahh, you took a good photo of my baby brother :kimchi:

I am going to tell him he is internet famous.

# ? Sep 1, 2014 11:10

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008; by Fluffdaddy
(and can't post for 7 days!)

Clive wrecking poo poo today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-qBrKwg4Fg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAn7KR02pC4

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Obviously the best thing to do would be to fly everyone to Australia. If the offshore death camps have shown anything it's that the ends don't justify the means.

Australia has been the racist scapegoat of international politics since Billy Hughes told the Japs to stay out of the league of nations. We suck at international politics and this shows just how much this is true. There is zero profit margin in getting involved in the middle east. People will die, money will be lost, and everyone, including the leading class who took us there, will hate us.

If anyone who could do anything about it actually gave a gently caress about international aid in conflicts it sure as gently caress would be a better idea than sending more guns. (Wait, they do, and it is.) As loving if ntata has any idea what the middle east is like and that goes for the dickheads in the adf planning it as well.

This country went to war the last loving time they got into government and I loving knew they would do it again. I guarantee that members of this government are making money illegally off this war a la AWB and if I could toxx on something like that I would.

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Aaronicon: Oct 2, 2010; A BLOO BLOO ANYONE I DISAGREE WITH IS A "BAD PERSON" WHO DESERVES TO DIE PLEEEASE DONT FALL ALL OVER YOURSELF WHITEWASHING THEM A BLOO BLOO

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Clive wrecking poo poo today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-qBrKwg4Fg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAn7KR02pC4

We all knew Clive would be crazy, but none of us had any idea just how constructively crazy he would be.

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Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

If any of you idiots start posting about Q&A I will turn this thread around.

# ? Sep 1, 2014 12:33

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

Synopsis of Clives latest for the YouTube impaired please.

# ? Sep 1, 2014 12:56

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Gough Suppressant posted:

If any of you idiots start posting about Q&A I will turn this thread around.

Kay Hymowitz is on the panel.

# ? Sep 1, 2014 12:59

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

Frogmanv2 posted:

Synopsis of Clives latest for the YouTube impaired please.

1st. It was long and boring and he reads from the paper like a year 9 presentation. He basically said 'gently caress you lot on my watch!'.

2nd. It was 10 seconds of Clive reading from the paper again saying 'we declare war on the co-payment, please tell us Mr health minister why you are poo poo?' and then the remaining 95% of the run time of the clip is a Liberal mp talking poo poo and I got angry.

# ? Sep 1, 2014 13:01

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

SynthOrange posted:

gently caress! gently caress! FUUUUUCK Goddammit gently caress.

I hate this world.

It absolutely sickens me, the lowest depths some people will go to. Not satisfied with turning most of the developing nations children into their playground, now this happens.

I guess we all know what the father of baby Gamma's motives are now, especially since he is a convicted paedophile. I do hope the WA Child Services rip the daughter out of that household immediately.

# ? Sep 1, 2014 13:01

Urcher: Jun 16, 2006

Word cloud for August:

2014: J F M A M J J

2013: A M J J A S O N D

Highlights from last month's thread:

Anidav posted:

Seek is the hard part. It's just a giant waiting game which is waiting for the employer who hates you the least. Given youth unemployment up the rear end. Since when is being young a toxic addition to the so called "card manufacturer" who can give me the exact status of my card. I call the number and get an answering machine telling me to call Translink.

What the actual gently caress?

Fruity Gordo posted:

Nope, it breaches the anti discrimination act in nsw at least. Women's shelters have to respond to soag and TOML because this poo poo really pisses me off. One of my weird winter habanero glut. I'm going to see the chaplain is voluntary? That seems to be the abortions. Christ knows there are no methods of contraception or explain their use, but I'm expected to tell the children that sexting is unacceptable and that some forms are illegal (ie an 11yo girl sending a picture of her vagina to another child is disseminating child pornography). So, the principal acknowledges that 11-12yos are becoming sexually active, but they shouldn't know how to push her buttons.

Endman posted:

Mate.

Everyone deserves job security. Even white people.

The whole "immigrants taking our jobs" line is loving dumb and pointless to make it into a moshpit, assuming that all those desperate people have filled out all of Germany's African colonies was a good cause.

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Aaronicon: Oct 2, 2010; A BLOO BLOO ANYONE I DISAGREE WITH IS A "BAD PERSON" WHO DESERVES TO DIE PLEEEASE DONT FALL ALL OVER YOURSELF WHITEWASHING THEM A BLOO BLOO

I always knew Tasmania was the home of white terrorists. I mean it's even on the sign when you come into Hobart, but now it's word-cloud official.

# ? Sep 1, 2014 13:52

Seagull: Oct 9, 2012; give me a chip

Poor 18C

# ? Sep 1, 2014 13:57

algebra testes: Mar 5, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

Milky Moor posted:

This includes the gendered insult 'DOTA'.

Bro, you know what you did.

# ? Sep 1, 2014 14:42

Milkfred E. Moore: Aug 27, 2006; 'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

LordPants posted:

Bro, you know what you did.

As I've said over and over and over again, I seriously don't. I also don't care, so, you can stop acting like I dropped my ute on your dog, 'bro'.

Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Sep 1, 2014

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Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Joe Apparently Racist _Probably

# ? Sep 1, 2014 15:02

algebra testes: Mar 5, 2011; Lipstick Apathy

Milky Moor posted:

As I've said over and over and over again, I seriously don't. I also don't care, so, you can stop acting like I dropped my ute on your dog, 'bro'.

This mystery of what you did in IRC is the best. :allears:

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webmeister: Jan 31, 2007; The answer is, mate, because I want to do you slowly. There has to be a bit of sport in this for all of us. In the psychological battle stakes, we are stripped down and ready to go. I want to see those ashen-faced performances; I want more of them. I want to be encouraged. I want to see you squirm.

Best news of the year: Mad as Hell is coming back!

# ? Sep 1, 2014 15:41

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

webmeister posted:

Best news of the year: Mad as Hell is coming back!

Fkn yay! Of course it will be on a shoestring budget. On the other hand, multi-billion transnational entertainment corporation Disney has decided it wants to take the tax bonus from a delayed film and get it increased so it will film a Pirates of the Caribbean here. Our dear Feds didn't quite give them enough money so they'll be mooching off state governments.

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/sep/01/pirates-of-the-caribbean-5-shoot-australia posted:

The next instalment of Disney's blockbuster Pirates of the Caribbean film series looks set to shoot in Australia after ministers approved tax incentives worth a reported $20.2m (�12.1m).

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales will be the fifth movie in the franchise, which has so far taken $3.7bn worldwide. According to the Hollywood Reporter, the new film will replace David Fincher's delayed 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea remake on the Australian film production slate. It is likely to shoot in Queensland and could receive further financial incentives from state-level bodies.

"The government is pleased to agree to Disney's request to enable earlier funding to be repurposed for the production of Pirates of the Caribbean 5," said a spokesman for the Australian arts minister, George Brandis.

And they wonder why we don't want to throw money at them.

ewe2 fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Sep 1, 2014

# ? Sep 1, 2014 20:02

You Am I: May 20, 2001; Me @ your poasting

Abbott is denying rumours that an Australian plane has been shot down in Iraq while delivering humanitarian aid

# ? Sep 1, 2014 23:37

Paracausal: Sep 5, 2011; Oh yeah, baby. Frame your suffering as a masterpiece. Only one problem - no one's watching. It's boring, buddy, boring as death.

You Am I posted:

Abbott is denying rumours that an Australian plane has been shot down in Iraq while delivering humanitarian aid

The headlines I saw were "shot at" not down.

# ? Sep 1, 2014 23:48

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

You Am I posted:

Abbott is denying rumours that an Australian plane has been shot down in Iraq while delivering humanitarian aid

It um was ah just a ah birdsrike you see. 9 mm sparrows ah the um defence department er um informed me.

# ? Sep 1, 2014 23:58

Gough Suppressant: Nov 14, 2008

gay picnic defence posted:

It um was ah just a ah birdsrike you see. 9 mm sparrows ah the um defence department er um informed me.

If it was one of the new jets they'd probably be pleasantly surprised it took a sparrow to down it rather than a cloud/fly/balloon

# ? Sep 2, 2014 00:03

Small Keating: Dec 24, 2012; That you, Jim? Paul Keating here. Just because you swallowed a fucking dictionary when you were about 15 doesn't give you the right to pour a bucket of shit over the rest of us.

Gough Suppressant posted:

If it was one of the new jets they'd probably be pleasantly surprised it took a sparrow to down it rather than a cloud/fly/balloon

/oxygen molecule/strong language/abstract concept

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Tokamak: Dec 22, 2004

Gough Suppressant posted:

If it was one of the new jets they'd probably be pleasantly surprised it took a sparrow to down it rather than a butt/fly/balloon

The F-35 isn't going to be ready for years, those planes (from a couple months ago) were delivered to some military base in America where pilots will train and test the equipment.

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