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surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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QuarkJets posted:

It's finally happening, the moment we've all been waiting for

never not funny

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RubberJohnny
Apr 22, 2008
[–]Bit_By_Bit
No point getting out. You've lost money, but by holding, it's a donation to the future of humanity as bitcoin is comprehensively better than the legacy system - hence why I've taken a $20k paper-hit, and wasted 60 hours every week for the past 40 weeks evangelizing, attending meetups, researching and speaking. This technology MUST survive if we are to avoid major MAJOR economic, social and environmental existential risks materializing in the future.

Every day, I look dumber and dumber for throwing my money and life away propping up the Gox criminals and hyprocritical, patronising and opportunistic early adopters, who have nothing for me but bullshit captain hindsight commentary

I'm a pretty good gauge of market emotion, considering I'm what you would call "all in" on bitcoin...Some people call that "stupid", but if people don't do it, your get rich quick scheme will fail, so, yeah, someone's gotta loving do it.

[–]JoJoeyJoJo
Not being rude, but isn't taking a $20k paper hit a pretty good sign that your get rich quick scheme has failed?

[–]Bit_By_Bit
Piss off mate - you don't know a single loving thing about me. This was 100% about making a difference to the world and it still is. I found out about this way too late to ever get rich off it

I just hope it becomes a "thing", so I can at least start getting paid for my services by a bitcoin employer, who, oddly enough, will most likely be a billionaire

Greyhawk
May 30, 2001


looks like blue coat web filters have begun classifying some bitcoin news sites as scam or for "unwanted software"

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
XAPO VISA card - stopped working, no support from xapo.com (self.Bitcoin)
soumis an hour ago par xapo-user
Got my XAPO VISA a week ago. It worked fine for a day or two. Then it stopped working. On POS terminals and online. Sent several emails to XAPO - no response since Friday morning. WTF?!

[–]michelmx 2 points 16 minutes ago
it never worked for me, but [...]

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What efforts are being done to increase the profitability of mining? (self.Bitcoin)
soumis an hour ago par SomeTree

unpacked robinhood fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Sep 9, 2014

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Soricidus posted:

in the basement of the NSA, in a darkened room illuminated only by the sinister glow of monitors and blinking leds, crouches lt. col. judas b schiller, us cyber command.

the credentials prism gave him were correct: he has just logged into sourceforge with the account of the cryptoterrorist who threatens the very existence of the state he is sworn to protect. now it is time to fight back.

sweating, lt. col. schiller carefully types the word "buttcoin," then pauses to admire it. with increasing confidence he continues: "is a peer to peer butt."

america is saved.
:patriot:

TVarmy
Sep 11, 2011

like food and water, my posting has no intrinsic value

I'm Mr shitcoin's rationalization of a bad investment as a gift to humanity. Also his slow descent into madness.

neonbregna
Aug 20, 2007
Someone make a text message system that we can sign up for that sends out a ascii goatman when the butts from when SATOSHI MINED ALONE move. This way we can all :gizz: internally at the same time.

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

neonbregna posted:

This way we can all :gizz: internally at the same time.

can we :gizz: externally at the same time

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

neonbregna posted:

Someone make a text message system that we can sign up for that sends out a ascii goatman when the butts from when SATOSHI MINED ALONE move. This way we can all :gizz: internally at the same time.

do this if only so that when it finally fires in like ten years everyone just wonders what the gently caress

jony ive aces
Jun 14, 2012

designer of the lomarf car


Buglord

neonbregna posted:

Someone make a text message system that we can sign up for that sends out a ascii goatman when the butts from when SATOSHI MINED ALONE move. This way we can all :gizz: internally at the same time.
same but instead of a text message can we make it use a blockchain?

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

TVarmy posted:

I'm Mr shitcoin's rationalization of a bad investment as a gift to humanity. Also his slow descent into madness.

no i am :mad:

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy


No fees! And for some reason they don't mention the no-chargebacks feature.

(Not even the bitcoiners like it. Mainly because it says 2012 instead of 2013)

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc
if this hacker person actually figures out Satoshi's identity that would be pretty keen

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/the-rise-and-rise-of-bitcoin/id907604787

quote:

Actors

Charlie Shrem
Erik Voorhees
Gavin Andresen
Mark Karpeles
Roger Ver
"Mr. Bitcoin"
Cameron Winklevoss
Tyler Winklevoss

This movie has a nice cast.

Anyways, apparently they are finally releasing this turd 'cause the redditors have lately been asking about it (since they took their butts to finance it).

Dex
May 26, 2006

Quintuple x!!!

Would not escrow again.

VERY MISLEADING!

TVarmy posted:

I'm Mr shitcoin's rationalization of a bad investment as a gift to humanity. Also his slow descent into madness.

his post history 404s now :(

necrotic
Aug 2, 2005
I owe my brother big time for this!

trucutru posted:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/the-rise-and-rise-of-bitcoin/id907604787


This movie has a nice cast.

Anyways, apparently they are finally releasing this turd 'cause the redditors have lately been asking about it (since they took their butts to finance it).

movie isnt even how yet and theres already a 5 star review

quote:

See this film soon

by Hblivin

I think that in December of this year when all the news outlets are doing "year in review" stories, you'll see bitcoin covered. Years from now history will mark 2014 as the real breakout year for bitcoin. This film does a really nice job of breaking it all down: what is bitcoin? why should I care? why are people critical of bitcoin? why are people excited about it? The film has good pacing and kept me interested from start to finish. Now I'm going to buy a little bitcoin and see what happens!

Boxturret
Oct 3, 2013

Don't ask me about Sonic the Hedgehog diaper fetish

Dex posted:

his post history 404s now :(

:ohdear:

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

necrotic posted:

movie isnt even how yet and theres already a 5 star review

they technically could have seen it at a film festival

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

necrotic posted:

movie isnt even how yet and theres already a 5 star review

Because out of all the poo poo that has and is still going down in 2014, bitcoin is definitely worth covering

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

sharknado slashfic posted:

Because out of all the poo poo that has and is still going down in 2014, bitcoin is definitely worth covering

there wouldn't be ebola if everyone used the blockchain

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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unpacked robinhood posted:

soumis an hour ago par xapo-user
soumis an hour ago par SomeTree

dat localisation tho

unpacked robinhood
Feb 18, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

surebet posted:

dat localisation tho

its decentralized french

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


How is bitcoin gambling "provably fair" their quotes not mine? How does the cryptography at all determine if off-the-blockchain virtual chip based poker is rigged to print "you lose" every time I, and every other sucker, press bet?

neonbregna
Aug 20, 2007
all hail Satoshi for I would of never known the odds were stacked against me and that the house always wins

duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003

Krinkle posted:

How is bitcoin gambling "provably fair" their quotes not mine? How does the cryptography at all determine if off-the-blockchain virtual chip based poker is rigged to print "you lose" every time I, and every other sucker, press bet?

it isn't. bitcoiners seem to think the blockchain is its own sentient entity, a wise arbiter that isn't under the control of whoever owns the most miners.

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Krinkle posted:

How is bitcoin gambling "provably fair" their quotes not mine? How does the cryptography at all determine if off-the-blockchain virtual chip based poker is rigged to print "you lose" every time I, and every other sucker, press bet?

If it's on the blockchain, then you could compare the total amount of bitcoin going in versus going out and at least see if the average odds make sense. But nothing would prevent a casino from setting up a bunch of "external" wallets that "win" a lot of their bets and then just recycling those wallets over and over while giving the real players terrible odds

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Krinkle posted:

How is bitcoin gambling "provably fair" their quotes not mine? How does the cryptography at all determine if off-the-blockchain virtual chip based poker is rigged to print "you lose" every time I, and every other sucker, press bet?
this is actually a reasonable claim. anything based off PRNGs can theoretically be audited by reproducing the calculations against the original seed, so you just have to prove that you generated the seed fairly, which can indeed be done using basic cryptography.

now all you have to worry about is your illegal gambling site being located by the feds and/or the violent criminal gangs that are currently doing rather nicely out of running unfair illegal gambling sites!

Same Great Paste
Jan 14, 2006




pretty sure when they say "provably fair" they're talking about

https://classic.satoshidice.com/secrets.php

as others have said there's nothing inherent with bitcoin that makes gambling provably fair, but a person could use it in a way that could be provably fair.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
in other words they are using some non-vernacular technical definition of "fair" that has no application to whether or not you will lose money gambling with bitcoins you will

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


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it is relatively easy to create a betting system that will give a provably fair result, that is, for every run of the algorithm you either win or lose within some specific percentage

what is hard to prove is that the system won't just go "500 server error" once your 1% odds $1000 bet hits, while it gladly accepts your bet the 99% of the time you lose

a cyberpunk goose
May 21, 2007

trucutru posted:



No fees! And for some reason they don't mention the no-chargebacks feature.

(Not even the bitcoiners like it. Mainly because it says 2012 instead of 2013)

im the brown person on africa

fisting by many
Dec 25, 2009



ymgve posted:

it is relatively easy to create a betting system that will give a provably fair result, that is, for every run of the algorithm you either win or lose within some specific percentage

what is hard to prove is that the system won't just go "500 server error" once your 1% odds $1000 bet hits, while it gladly accepts your bet the 99% of the time you lose

doesn't the blockchain actually prove that? anyone can theoretically audit a casino site and it would become apparent if a disproportionate amount of large wagers were losses.

bitcoin is actually pretty good for throwing money away

derp
Jan 21, 2010

when i get up all i want to do is go to bed again

Lipstick Apathy
i miss playing 1$ buy in poker tourneys. why does america have such lovely gambling laws :'(

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


The graphic shows people buying chips with bitcoin and then gambling on the chips. So all an audit would show is bitcoins went in from several wallets. Less bitcoins went out to different wallets. Satoshi dice almost killed the loving network so your wager isn't going to be on the blockchain. Just your buying of chips and how many you sold back when you finally got tired of "whoops dealer gets 21 again loving amazing how that happens"

And if those chips that came out into wallets went back in again who would be able to tell the difference between "rigged casino recycling winnings for show" and "winner getting the gambling itch and coming back for more?"

All the opportunity for shady poo poo would happen off the blockchain and at no point would it be provably fair.

When I was seven I moved and the first day meeting new kids I lost a game of marbles "for keeps", apparently, and watching that kid walk away with my big swirly both killed any interest in learning the rules of marbles and made me just pathologically distrust the entire idea of gambling. I don't get gambling. You lose your poo poo and now have less poo poo? Why did you do that?

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope

ymgve posted:

it is relatively easy to create a betting system that will give a provably fair result, that is, for every run of the algorithm you either win or lose within some specific percentage

what is hard to prove is that the system won't just go "500 server error" once your 1% odds $1000 bet hits, while it gladly accepts your bet the 99% of the time you lose

but the best part about a fair game of chance is that you don't even have to cheat. it's essentially "you pay me $1 and i give you $0.90 back"

vOv
Feb 8, 2014

Same Great Paste posted:

pretty sure when they say "provably fair" they're talking about

https://classic.satoshidice.com/secrets.php

as others have said there's nothing inherent with bitcoin that makes gambling provably fair, but a person could use it in a way that could be provably fair.

yeah this is what i think of when i think 'provably fair'. you commit to some secret ahead of time, the user provides their own randomness (in the form of the txid), and you use your secret and the user randomness to determine if the user wins (and then reveal your secret). fair coin flipping is a classic problem in crypto and this seems like a pretty straightforward generalization

sinekumquat
Jun 12, 2005

the most dangerous philosopher in the west
College Slice

Wheany posted:

but the best part about a fair game of chance is that you don't even have to cheat. it's essentially "you pay me $1 and i give you $0.90 back"

you're telling me that bitcoiners don't understand how casinos works?

Ron Paul Atreides
Apr 19, 2012

Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

fisting by many posted:

doesn't the blockchain actually prove that? anyone can theoretically audit a casino site and it would become apparent if a disproportionate amount of large wagers were losses.

bitcoin is actually pretty good for throwing money away

As was said, annonymous wallets pretty easily would allow for a straight forward way to fake payouts. Especially with the 'always use new addresses' stuff coiners wank to

Krinkle posted:

The graphic shows people buying chips with bitcoin and then gambling on the chips. So all an audit would show is bitcoins went in from several wallets. Less bitcoins went out to different wallets. Satoshi dice almost killed the loving network so your wager isn't going to be on the blockchain. Just your buying of chips and how many you sold back when you finally got tired of "whoops dealer gets 21 again loving amazing how that happens"

And if those chips that came out into wallets went back in again who would be able to tell the difference between "rigged casino recycling winnings for show" and "winner getting the gambling itch and coming back for more?"

All the opportunity for shady poo poo would happen off the blockchain and at no point would it be provably fair.

When I was seven I moved and the first day meeting new kids I lost a game of marbles "for keeps", apparently, and watching that kid walk away with my big swirly both killed any interest in learning the rules of marbles and made me just pathologically distrust the entire idea of gambling. I don't get gambling. You lose your poo poo and now have less poo poo? Why did you do that?

A lot of people are really bad at statistics.

Greyhawk
May 30, 2001


be your own bank

quote:

I'm new to bitcoin, and I've been trying to sign up for Coinbase for 3 months. Had some trouble verifying my card, then my identity, and now they've just flagged my transaction attempt for the third time in a row, and they won't tell me why. I accidentally had my VPN on when I first got started, but turning it off hasn't helped.

I'm in contact with support and I'm still working on it, but in the meantime I'm more than a little frustrated, and I'm wondering if there are any legitimate Coinbase alternatives you guys could recommend. I just want to buy some bitcoin already.

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RubberJohnny posted:

[–]Bit_By_Bit
No point getting out. You've lost money, but by holding, it's a donation to the future of humanity as bitcoin is comprehensively better than the legacy system - hence why I've taken a $20k paper-hit, and wasted 60 hours every week for the past 40 weeks evangelizing, attending meetups, researching and speaking. This technology MUST survive if we are to avoid major MAJOR economic, social and environmental existential risks materializing in the future.

Every day, I look dumber and dumber for throwing my money and life away propping up the Gox criminals and hyprocritical, patronising and opportunistic early adopters, who have nothing for me but bullshit captain hindsight commentary

I'm a pretty good gauge of market emotion, considering I'm what you would call "all in" on bitcoin...Some people call that "stupid", but if people don't do it, your get rich quick scheme will fail, so, yeah, someone's gotta loving do it.

[–]JoJoeyJoJo
Not being rude, but isn't taking a $20k paper hit a pretty good sign that your get rich quick scheme has failed?

[–]Bit_By_Bit
Piss off mate - you don't know a single loving thing about me. This was 100% about making a difference to the world and it still is. I found out about this way too late to ever get rich off it

I just hope it becomes a "thing", so I can at least start getting paid for my services by a bitcoin employer, who, oddly enough, will most likely be a billionaire

60*40*7.25=17.4k

he's been more or less consistent that he doesn't have money invested, so assuming his state minimum salary is a tad bit higher or that he opted to stay on something like welfare instead of his usual better paid job to proselytize, this dude is coming to terms with the value of his pissed away time

also he clearly is going to kill himself, rip

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