Ray Rice may have just punched Roger Goodell out of a job

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Chris James 2: Aug 9, 2012

Shath Hole posted:

I don't think the two are comparable at all, tbh.

Yeah but by all means keep comparing one person who spent a year in prison for his crime to another person who will never spend time in prison for his crime

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weird Asian candy: Aug 23, 2005; Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

Chris James 2 posted:

Yeah but by all means keep comparing one person who spent a year in prison for his crime to another person who will never spend time in prison for his crime

Pretty much this.

I mean, they are both poo poo heads. 1 tortured and killed dogs, the other abuses his wife. Pick your poison, I suppose.

Febreeze posted:

I think he's right though. It's one thing to hear about something that horrible, it's another to see it.

It does have more weight when you see it, which is odd in a way because everyone knew he hit her without actually seeing it.

# ? Sep 9, 2014 21:55

BigBallChunkyTime: Nov 25, 2011; Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.; Illegal Hen

Shath Hole posted:

I don't think the two are comparable at all, tbh.

No, Kilmo's right. Even though it doesn't change the facts of the case at all, public reaction is much more intense when there's an actual video of something, rather than just someone saying something happened.

# ? Sep 9, 2014 22:05

African AIDS cum: Feb 29, 2012; Welcome back, welcome back, welcome baaaack

If the Ravens were planning on signing LaMichael James he also beat his girlfriend a few years back

# ? Sep 9, 2014 22:07

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Shath Hole posted:

It does have more weight when you see it, which is odd in a way because everyone knew he hit her without actually seeing it.

As has been said before, many people were more than willing to fill in the blanks with a story that was sympathetic to Rice. The whole "well, you shouldn't hit a woman but maybe she was REALLY asking for it" bullshit that low level misogynists throw out to excuse that sort of behavior. Or the "they were both in the wrong to some extent" excuse because maybe she was going crazy (you know, like women do) and he pushed her or lashed out in a moment of frustration and she hit her head, but he definitely didn't mean it. There are a lot of stories that people concocted to make it seem less horrible.

Then this video came out and you can see that he's clearly waiting until they are alone in the elevator, you can see that he instigates the entire thing and she does almost nothing in return, and you can see that he doesn't have even an ounce of remorse afterwards and just calmly waits for the doors to open so he can unload her like cargo. It's loving disgusting and leaves no room to excuse his behavior.

# ? Sep 9, 2014 22:07

Earthy Ape Unit: Jun 17, 2014; by XyloJW

African AIDS cum posted:

If the Ravens were planning on signing LaMichael James he also beat his girlfriend a few years back

was his girlfriend's name Universitisha LaWashington? lmao? *fires up the self loather*

# ? Sep 9, 2014 22:14

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

It's another thing to hear that Vick electrocuted dogs but I'm willing to bet watching a tortured dog get hooked up and electrocuted would do things to your insides that you could never unsee. Sorry to derail.

# ? Sep 9, 2014 22:17

Submarine Sandpaper: May 27, 2007

I remember a video of a woman in heals stepping on a rabbit pinned under a board and the screams, oh the screams. Still haunts me to this day.

# ? Sep 9, 2014 22:25

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kiimo posted:

It's another thing to hear that Vick electrocuted dogs but I'm willing to bet watching a tortured dog get hooked up and electrocuted would do things to your insides that you could never unsee. Sorry to derail.

Meh, I'm a terrible person, Animal's being killed does jack poo poo to me emotionally.

Dogs are like one of the few animals that most humans will generally end up treating better than they do other humans.

Meanwhile poor cows and pigs are bred just to be slaughtered by the millions.

Will someone please think of the poor cows, pigs and chickens.

# ? Sep 9, 2014 22:25

Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

Febreeze posted:

Yup. I remember I think it was boston market that tweeted out directions to Kellen Winslow Jr after he got "lost trying to find Boston Market" when he was actually just in a parking lot jerking it

it was amazing

The better Kellen Winslow moment was when he flipped bike in that parking lot and one of the TFF goons made a makeshift memorial in front of the shrub where he ate pavement just for the hell of it.

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kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

I was in that thread, it was one of the funniest I've seen on here in years.

# ? Sep 9, 2014 23:07

Vaders Jester: Sep 9, 2009

Shath Hole posted:

It does have more weight when you see it, which is odd in a way because everyone knew he hit her without actually seeing it.

You can kind of imagine what it's like in your head if you've not seen it before and it's bad but nothing prepares you for the reality and the rush of emotions when you see something that loving awful. When you actually see the video and how pretty loving visceral it is, it stays with you and you can't get that poo poo out of your head.

# ? Sep 9, 2014 23:11

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CBS Evening News will have a Goodell interview tonight. A thin slice surrounded by anchors talking has been posted: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-we-did-not-see-the-2nd-ray-rice-tape-earlier/

# ? Sep 9, 2014 23:19

BigBallChunkyTime: Nov 25, 2011; Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.; Illegal Hen

Probably just posturing, but Senator Richard Bluementhal is calling for Goodell to resign and is not ruling out Congressional action.

I would be surprised if anything comes of this, however.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/08/politics/congress-ray-rice/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

# ? Sep 9, 2014 23:25

Kalli: Jun 2, 2001

Huh, I guess I wasn't paying much attention to the winds today. ESPN is really tearing into Goodell

# ? Sep 9, 2014 23:34

Vertical Lime: Dec 11, 2004

Kull the Conqueror posted:

CBS Evening News will have a Goodell interview tonight. A thin slice surrounded by anchors talking has been posted: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-we-did-not-see-the-2nd-ray-rice-tape-earlier/

I just heard it and it seemed like one big denial. They said they'll air more tomorrow morning.

e: Katie Nolan gave some good views on this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaHIzIXrS0w

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# ? Sep 9, 2014 23:36

LGD: Sep 25, 2004

African AIDS cum posted:

If the Ravens were planning on signing LaMichael James he also beat his girlfriend a few years back

I already pointed this out as a potential stumbling block for a signing, but I think describing that particular situation as "beating his girlfriend" is a pretty grossly misleading characterization of what occurred.

# ? Sep 9, 2014 23:42

The Puppy Bowl: Jan 31, 2013; A dog, in the house.

*woof*

The last thing the Ravens need is another middle of the road running back. Especially one who doesn't know Kubiak's system.

# ? Sep 9, 2014 23:45

Crazy Ted: Jul 29, 2003

Retail Slave posted:

Probably just posturing, but Senator Richard Bluementhal is calling for Goodell to resign and is not ruling out Congressional action.

I would be surprised if anything comes of this, however.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/08/politics/congress-ray-rice/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Because what we really loving need is Congress to get involved.

# ? Sep 9, 2014 23:46

African AIDS cum: Feb 29, 2012; Welcome back, welcome back, welcome baaaack

Has Obama commented on the DiGiorno's thing yet?

# ? Sep 9, 2014 23:51

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Crazy Ted posted:

Because what we really loving need is Congress to get involved.

At least they would be doing something I suppose.

# ? Sep 9, 2014 23:51

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Crazy Ted posted:

The better Kellen Winslow moment was when he flipped bike in that parking lot and one of the TFF goons made a makeshift memorial in front of the shrub where he ate pavement just for the hell of it.

hahahahahha

Retail Slave posted:

Probably just posturing, but Senator Richard Bluementhal is calling for Goodell to resign and is not ruling out Congressional action.

I would be surprised if anything comes of this, however.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/08/politics/congress-ray-rice/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

everyone all about the PR train, eh? Jesus

# ? Sep 9, 2014 23:55

weird Asian candy: Aug 23, 2005; Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

Vaders Jester posted:

You can kind of imagine what it's like in your head if you've not seen it before and it's bad but nothing prepares you for the reality and the rush of emotions when you see something that loving awful. When you actually see the video and how pretty loving visceral it is, it stays with you and you can't get that poo poo out of your head.

For sure. I don't dispute that at all. I just saw the Vick comparison and that captured my attention more than anything else.

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gohuskies: Oct 23, 2010; I spend a lot of time making posts to justify why I'm not a self centered shithead that just wants to act like COVID isn't a thing.

kiimo posted:

I was in that thread, it was one of the funniest I've seen on here in years.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1548094

It starts slow but the last three pages with the shrub are excellent.

# ? Sep 9, 2014 23:56

YOLOsubmarine: Oct 19, 2004; When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

LGD posted:

I already pointed this out as a potential stumbling block for a signing, but I think describing that particular situation as "beating his girlfriend" is a pretty grossly misleading characterization of what occurred.

This is one reason why it's a good thing that there's some latitude in the suspension guidelines. All domestic violence is bad, but not all domestic violence is the same amount of bad and there needs to be some ability to mete out punishments based on those degrees. 6 games is a good baseline, but it should by no means be the limit for a first time offense if it's egregious enough.

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kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

gohuskies posted:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1548094

It starts slow but the last three pages with the shrub are excellent.

Cuban Chowder Factory posted:

EPIC UPDATE

As promised, I went back and did the things I said I would earlier.

1)Installed new paper tributes (w/ 2x4 blocks to tape to the flyers.
2)Immediately called Action News 19 WOIO and let them know a tribute was set up on behalf of the Sports Argument Stadium.

Here's the big part.

I grew some balls and just threw the fucker into my car. I had to split its head just to fit the drat thing in the back of my tiny-rear end Regal. But you guys need to tell me what the hell I'm going to do with Soldier Shrub.

EDIT: Cleveland goons: let's keep an eye on 10 o'clock news on channel 19... and if not tonight then tomorrow's news shows...

# ? Sep 10, 2014 00:10

zimbomonkey: Jul 15, 2008; Tattoos? On MY black quarterback?

Rotoworld posted:

Appearing on CBS Evening News Tuesday, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell left open the possibility of suspended RB Ray Rice eventually being reinstated.
"I don't rule that out, but we would have to be fully confident he is addressing this issue," Goodell said. Goodell also brushed off the idea that he should resign. "No, I'm used to the criticism, I'm used to that. Every day I have to earn my stripes." Still only 27, Rice should have some football left if/when he's reinstated, but his reputation has become so toxic that it's doubtful any team would want to take the plunge.

This man doesn't understand PR at all.

# ? Sep 10, 2014 00:34

BigBallChunkyTime: Nov 25, 2011; Kyle Schwarber: World Series hero, Beefy Lad, better than you.; Illegal Hen

zimbomonkey posted:

This man doesn't understand PR at all.

I think Rice should eventually, a while from now, be eligible for re-instatement. Conditionally, of course, upon the completion of certain anger management and spousal abuse programs.

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sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Retail Slave posted:

I think Rice should eventually, a while from now, be eligible for re-instatement. Conditionally, of course, upon the completion of certain anger management and spousal abuse programs.

Then the answer is 'maybe, a slight chance, provided he makes an extreme effort to get help for himself' or something, not just 'yea maybe' because not only does it undermine the punishment, it basically tells people this is just kabuki if he's going to be back again in a few years.

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Chris James 2: Aug 9, 2012

quote:

Sept. 9, 2014

Dear Ravens Stakeholder:

You deserve an explanation.

What happened with the Ray Rice incident? How could it come to this? Why didn�t we act earlier?

As a PSL holder, suite owner, sponsor and supporter, you have a stake in us. You have invested in us � emotionally as well as financially, trusted us, and believed in us. We value that trust and owe you full disclosure.

First, let us say that we did not do all we should have done and no amount of explanation can remedy that. What we can do now is share with you everything that occurred and vow to learn from all that has happened.

Here is how the situation unfolded, and here are our thoughts behind the decisions we made.

On the morning of Feb. 15, we learned that Ray and his then fianc�, Janay, had been arrested at an Atlantic City casino, and both had been charged with �simple assault� resulting from an altercation with each other. After the couple was taken to police headquarters, and after a report was written, they were allowed to leave together.

A number of Ravens� representatives talked with Ray during the course of that day. His explanation was that after he and Janay had consumed a great deal of alcohol, they had had an argument and that they struck each other.

We at the Ravens organization issued a statement to the media that we were aware of the incident, that we had talked with Ray, and that he deserved the due process of law.

We then began our own process to discover as much as we could about what happened. We talked with representatives of the casino, the police who arrested the couple, the prosecutor and a lawyer who represented both Ray and Janay in the case. Soon after, the video of Janay and Ray coming out of the elevator became public.

We contacted the casino management and asked if there was video of the incident from inside the elevator that we could see. The casino would not share such video. We asked the local New Jersey police and the police refused as well. We asked the prosecutor�s office and that office refused. It was our understanding at that time that Ray�s attorney had not yet seen the video. NFL officials had been informed, and we know they were also trying to retrieve and/or see the video.

Assessing the situation at of the end of February, this is what we knew: A player who had been a model citizen in the community and terrific teammate for six seasons had been charged with simple assault against his fianc�. At that time, his fianc� Janay had been similarly charged.

Ray and Janay both told us nothing like this had happened before. He was showing great remorse; they were meeting regularly with our team chaplain and were diligently attending couples counseling.

In March, the prosecutor dropped the case against Janay, but elevated the charge against Ray from simple assault to aggravated assault. At this point, we decided to defer action until completion of the court proceedings. We stopped seeking to view or obtain a copy of the video. We halted our fact-finding. That was a mistake on our part.

In May, the prosecutor recommended, and the judge agreed, that Ray should be accepted into a pre-trial intervention program that will eventually have the assault charge dismissed from his record, pending a year of good behavior.
The police had seen video from inside the elevator. The prosecutor and the judge, who had also seen such video, allowed Ray into the program that would eventually clear him of the assault charge.

On June 16, Ray and Janay met with Commissioner Roger Goodell, who then announced on July 27 that Ray Rice would be suspended for the first two games of the season. Ray subsequently met with the media and answered questions.

Yesterday morning Sept 8, all of us saw the video from inside the elevator. It is violent and horrifying. I immediately came to the office and called a meeting with Dick Cass, Ozzie Newsome, John Harbaugh and Kevin Byrne. The meeting was relatively short. The decision to let Ray Rice go was unanimous. Seeing that video changed everything. We should have seen it earlier. We should have pursued our own investigation more vigorously. We didn�t and we were wrong.

We are moving forward and believe we can help put more of a spotlight on intimate partner violence, while increasing education and awareness to this issue to all in our organization. Our recently announced partnership with the House of Ruth is a start.

We view ourselves as a family. Like families, we have used tough love in the past (fines, benching and releases) with repeat offenders. Because of his positive contributions on and off the field over the last six years, Ray had earned every benefit of the doubt from our organization. We took everything we knew and decided to support Ray Rice until we could not.

We hope that Ray will continue to work to be the best husband, father and person he can be, and he will turn this awful situation into something positive. We also have learned a great deal and will continue to strive to be an organization and team you and Baltimore will be proud of. I am sorry we let you down.

Sincerely,

Stephen J. Bisciotti
Owner, Baltimore Ravens

# ? Sep 10, 2014 00:47

zimbomonkey: Jul 15, 2008; Tattoos? On MY black quarterback?

Why does everyone involved keep sounding completely tone deaf?

Tatum Girlparts posted:

Then the answer is 'maybe, a slight chance, provided he makes an extreme effort to get help for himself' or something, not just 'yea maybe' because not only does it undermine the punishment, it basically tells people this is just kabuki if he's going to be back again in a few years.

Basically this, and you don't follow it up by complimenting yourself and all the hard work you put in. Just say "That's not something we're considering, but I need to keep working in order to prevent anything like this from ever happening again."

# ? Sep 10, 2014 00:52

Big Ol Marsh Pussy: Jan 7, 2007

Has there ever been a case where someone was "suspended indefinitely" where they weren't eventually allowed back in, barring like Rae Carruth (or probably Aaron Hernandez)? Why would Rice be any different?

# ? Sep 10, 2014 00:55

Grittybeard: Mar 29, 2010; Bad, very bad!

I don't think so but isn't the 'lifetime' suspension thing relatively new? Did they do this back in the 90s or whatever?

# ? Sep 10, 2014 00:59

A Man and his dog: Oct 24, 2013; by R. Guyovich

I don't know where to post this at this point. But Jesus Christ did my eyes roll in the back of my loving head, when I saw Terrell Suggs give his press conference on the matter. I didn't even hear the audio...

# ? Sep 10, 2014 01:01

CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Retail Slave posted:

I think Rice should eventually, a while from now, be eligible for re-instatement. Conditionally, of course, upon the completion of certain anger management and spousal abuse programs.

Yeah but you can always backtrack later.

Saying this now just makes you wishy-washy at best.

Especially considering he is getting heat for not taking this seriously in the first place.

# ? Sep 10, 2014 01:01

Vaders Jester: Sep 9, 2009

Shath Hole posted:

For sure. I don't dispute that at all. I just saw the Vick comparison and that captured my attention more than anything else.

Yeah, absolutely. Christ, I'd hate for there to be a video of Vick doing the poo poo he did. That sort of stuff would seriously gently caress someone up.

# ? Sep 10, 2014 01:13

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:

Has there ever been a case where someone was "suspended indefinitely" where they weren't eventually allowed back in, barring like Rae Carruth (or probably Aaron Hernandez)? Why would Rice be any different?

I think we all know he probably will be allowed back later, but the question was likely mainly a chance for Goodell to make a little dick waving 'my league has standards now we're going to work against this blah blah blah' thing and save some face, and he totally hosed it by just going 'yea maybe who knows'.

# ? Sep 10, 2014 01:15

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# ? Sep 10, 2014 01:31

THE MACHO MAN: Nov 15, 2007; ...Carey...

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gohuskies posted:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1548094

It starts slow but the last three pages with the shrub are excellent.

Oh man this is wonderful

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But how long can he be out and still considered 'productive'? I wouldn't think his shelf life would be more than a year or so. I personally hope they don't reinstate him unless he actively engages with the people against domestic violence community at the least.

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