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Remember this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL-GmYBNDqY ? Well, quote:The state denies Shakir is qualified to receive monetary compensation "The damages he claims, if they are not fabricated, are exaggerated and are not related at all to the activities of [Israel's defense forces] activities." The defense pleads that if the plaintiff's claims will be accepted by the court and it will be required to provide monetary compensation "Then the defendants own damages will have to be reducted from the sum, including the damages to [the officer who beats people up with with his m16, Lt. Col. Shalom Eisner], including both physical and mental pain and anguish."..."who has suffered far greater bodily injuries" Crack some skulls with the stock of your rifle, claim to be the real victim.
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Hong XiuQuan posted:*Facepalm* That's hosed up. I don't know what to tell you. Seems like a bit of preemptive bullying by this erstwhile colleague. Wouldn't you be giving in by basically refusing money because of them? On the other hand I fully understand not wanting to start a job of work with blood already in the water. emanresu tnuocca posted:Remember this:  That reads like a Married with Children bit. A parody of military justice.
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Hong XiuQuan posted:Tl;dr - I'm in a bit of a Salaita extra light situation and am thinking of telling prospective employers to get hosed.
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Sep 9, 2014 14:00
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Absurd Alhazred posted:
Groucho Marx posted:Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
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Sep 9, 2014 15:32
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Hong XiuQuan posted:*Facepalm* Unless they ask you to do things you find objectionable as part of your job, take the offer.
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Sep 9, 2014 16:23
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Hong XiuQuan posted:That's really poisoned the well because they're keen to get me on board but wanted to check that I wouldn't start screaming at her about Palestine in the workplace despite our amicable work history and the fact that I/P has been going on for 47 years. On the one hand, I want to dismiss the job outright because: gently caress you guys. On the other hand I want to take the job to make a point about my professionalism. That said, not sure I want to be in a position where someone is looking for any opportunity to get me sacked.
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Sep 9, 2014 16:34
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Remember this:
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Sep 9, 2014 17:55
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/09/08/israelis-warm-to-a-palestinian-state-carved-out-of-egypt/quote:JERUSALEM – Israel’s Army Radio caused a stir here Monday when it reported that Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sissi had proposed ceding parts of his country's territory in the Sinai Peninsula to create an autonomous, demilitarized Palestinian state. The plan, according to the radio report, was rejected last month by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. Anyone have people use this to show how Abbas proved Arabs just want Israel "wiped off the map" yet?
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Sep 9, 2014 18:05
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Well now.quote:Army Radio has learned that the Egyptian president, General al-Sisi, proposed to Mahmoud Abbas to extend the Gaza Strip into the Sinai area and establish a Palestinian state. Also in the proposal: partial autonomy in the West Bank Just how desolate is the land being offered here? I'm guessing 'incredibly'.
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Sep 9, 2014 18:12
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Darth Walrus posted:Well now. Also, doesn't it already have inhabitants of its own? I understand the Sinai has quite a lot of Bedouin groups. Not that I'm expecting Israel to worry about the necessity of population expulsion, but y'know. Can't see the Palestinians wanting it even as an addition to '67 borders.
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The Sinai Peninsula in general is pretty desolate but I would imagine that the parts directly adjacent to Gaza might be relatively hospitable, that's where Israel built Yamit back in the day, of course everyone knows that the Red Sea coastal line is the actually desirable portion of the peninsula but that's a bit far away. In principal if it weren't for the obvious 'appease Israel and the US, throw a wrench in the palestinian struggle for statehood, equal rights and recognition' angle it wouldn't have been a wholly negative move, with the way Palestinians are treated in Syria I would definitely consider it a positive change if they had a piece of land they could peacefully settle in under their own sovereignty as a temporary solution but it's hard to ignore the cynical aspects and the implications for the population in the West Bank. Obliterati posted:Also, doesn't it already have inhabitants of its own? I understand the Sinai has quite a lot of Bedouin groups. The peninsula is huge by the standards of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, roughly three times the size of the entirety of Israel, with a population of 1.3 million, I don't believe ethnic cleansing would be necessary. emanresu tnuocca fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Sep 9, 2014 |
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Sep 9, 2014 18:20
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Darth Walrus posted:Well now. emanresu tnuocca posted:The Sinai Peninsula in general is pretty desolate but I would imagine that the parts directly adjacent to Gaza might be relatively hospitable, that's where Israel built Yamit back in the day, of course everyone knows that the Red Sea coastal line is the actually desirable portion of the peninsula but that's a bit far away.  (This is some lovely map about "rockets", but it was the best one I could find that showed the cities, roads, and relative sizes of Sinai/Gaza/Israel.) The big problem is, the Sinai Peninsula is also desolate. Really loving desolate.    (The third picture is the Israel/Egypt border at Eilat.) The Sinai peninsula is a lot like Libya (and other countries that border the Sahara) in that there's lots of land, but most of the population lives on the coast or clusters at some sort of oasis; you can have all the desert land you want, but it's the water that's important. Also, most of the livable places already have people living there, be they Egyptians on the coast or Bedouins at the desert oases. Essentially, if this plan were to actually be implemented, it would probably end up similar to the Navajo Nation: lots of land, but most of said land is crappy and unusable for anything outside of tourism (Mount Sinai is actually a big tourist spot, but Egypt would probably keep it in any sort of deal), rock climbing, dirt biking, and trying to scrape out a meager existence. Of course, this isn't even considering the politics at play, the logistics of relocation, the fact that quite a few Palestinians justifiably may not want to go live in a loving desert hellhole, and that the Egyptians and Bedouins already living there  )Even so, if it finally got Israel to finally leave the Palestinians the gently caress alone, it might be worth considering. That really says it all about just how bad the Palestinians have it.
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Sep 9, 2014 20:02
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The way to solve the I/P issue where Israeli's moved into Palestinian land and pissed off all the locals, is to shuffle all the Palestinians into somebody elses land. The Sinai is a hotbed of terrorism right now, and you never know when Sisi could go strongman and start a war on Islamists again. Isn't Egypt pretty unsympathetic towards the Palestinians right now, anyways? This whole thing sounds completely unrealistic.
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Sep 9, 2014 20:26
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Volkerball posted:The way to solve the I/P issue where Israeli's moved into Palestinian land and pissed off all the locals, is to shuffle all the Palestinians into somebody elses land. The Sinai is a hotbed of terrorism right now, and you never know when Sisi could go strongman and start a war on Islamists again. Isn't Egypt pretty unsympathetic towards the Palestinians right now, anyways? This whole thing sounds completely unrealistic. Of course it's unrealistic, it's just another trojan horse of a 'proposal' from the 'give them an offer they can't accept' school of thought, Sisi is just following Israel's lead.
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I have an idea, let's relocate all the West Bank settlers in the Sinai instead. And also all the Israeli south of the Gaza City-Hebron line, so that Palestine can be contiguous. I'm sure the Palestinians would accept. The Israeli would accept too, since they think relocating in the Sinai is a good idea.
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Sep 9, 2014 21:19
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Cat Mattress posted:I have an idea, let's relocate all the West Bank settlers in the Sinai instead. And also all the Israeli south of the Gaza City-Hebron line, so that Palestine can be contiguous. Speaking of contiguous Palestine, I know the UN borders are moot at this point but what exactly was the reasoning for splitting the proposed arab state into 3 chunks while Israel was contiguous? It seems like giving the Negev to the arabs would be a huge boon (an arab-controlled landlink between Gaza, its theoretical port, and the West Bank) without exactly depriving Israel of any prime real estate.
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To be precise, the Palestinians would still keep Areas A and B of the West Bank as well as the whole Gaza Strip under this deal. It's just that they'd permanently lose all claim to Area C (translation - the good bits of the West Bank), it's not clear what would happen to the 100,000 Palestinians presently living in said Area, and the new, sort-of-kind-of-expanded Palestine would not have the right to provide its own security - that'd be the IDF and Egypt's job.
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This is almost the same thing as trail-of-tearsing the American Indians to Oklahoma. How little has changed.
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Why should the Palestinians leave their land? Offer the Sinai to the Israelis and expand Palestinian land back equivalently.
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Volkerball posted:Isn't Egypt pretty unsympathetic towards the Palestinians right now, anyways? This whole thing sounds completely unrealistic. I don't know about Palestinians generally, but the ruling clique in Egypt these days is, if I remember right, hostile to Hamas in particular since it is/was closely aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood.
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quote:“The biggest provisions would be authorizing states and local governments to divest from companies deemed to be participating in BDS; denial of federal contracts to such companies; and threatening the conditioning of the US-EU free trade pact on the EU taking action to stop BDS activities within its jurisdictions,” said a Republican foreign policy adviser familiar with the legislation. The bill, the adviser said, originated with a top aide to Illinois Senator Mark Kirk and has now been “expanded” by AIPAC, which is working with House and Senate offices on the draft. http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/pro-israel-activists-aim-to-block-boycott-movement-with-legi#26gp4ad
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They're going to try and make the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership dependent upon EU support against the BDS movement? Wow, that's ballsy as gently caress.
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New Division posted:They're going to try and make the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership dependent upon EU support against the BDS movement? Wow, that's ballsy as gently caress. Did you see the piece the New Yorker did on AIPAC? http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/01/friends-israel They've been ridiculously ballsy lately. Outright sabotaging politicians and policies that they disagree with. I can just imagine Obama standing in front of one of their reps like "I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. YOU ARE A LOBBYIST," then sighing and doing what they say.
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Volkerball posted:Did you see the piece the New Yorker did on AIPAC? I saw that one. But threatening to add an amendment like that to already troubled talks on the TTIP pact would... well it certainly won't contribute to the success of talks on the pact. The EU certainly would be pissed.
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Volkerball posted:The way to solve the I/P issue where Israeli's moved into Palestinian land and pissed off all the locals, is to shuffle all the Palestinians into somebody elses land. The Sinai is a hotbed of terrorism right now, and you never know when Sisi could go strongman and start a war on Islamists again. Isn't Egypt pretty unsympathetic towards the Palestinians right now, anyways? This whole thing sounds completely unrealistic. I know you're joking, but the Palestinians actually did get thrown out of Jordan specifically due to the PLO being huge shits.
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New Division posted:I saw that one. But threatening to add an amendment like that to already troubled talks on the TTIP pact would... well it certainly won't contribute to the success of talks on the pact. The EU certainly would be pissed. If the UK left the EU (we wont), the only nation present in the EU who did not vote to recognise the Palestinian State will be the Czech Republic. There must be something in TTIP that Europe really, really wants because Israel is universally unpopular here.
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Spangly A posted:If the UK left the EU (we wont), the only nation present in the EU who did not vote to recognise the Palestinian State will be the Czech Republic. Geeze, what did the Palestinians ever do to the Czechs? As for what Europe really wants, right now it seems to be a lift on the US export ban on oil.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Groucho Marx posted: Straightforward, clear and concise?
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OwlBot 2000 posted:Straightforward, clear and concise? God I hope you're trolling.
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New Division posted:Geeze, what did the Palestinians ever do to the Czechs? There's a US export ban? The reason the US are going along with Iranian sanctions (and why Israel wants them) is that Iran is nearly totally reliant on importing US crude and an energy-independent Iran would be a stabilising force in the middle east, something which terrifies Israel. TTIP might be a hot plate of poo poo but given Russia are literally invading Ukraine for fear of losing control of the pipeline to the EU, it's probably a better option. I don't see why "sell it to us or we side with Putin" isn't a better option, though.
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The US export ban on oil is a legacy of the 1970s oil shocks. It's still around because if it was lifted the US voters would see higher prices at the pump.
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Wow, that Sinai proposal is a really naked attempt at ethnic cleansing. There's no loving way.
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I thought that proposal was blatantly fake and only being reported on by Israeli news sources? Or did I misread that first article?
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vintagepurple posted:Speaking of contiguous Palestine, I know the UN borders are moot at this point but what exactly was the reasoning for splitting the proposed arab state into 3 chunks while Israel was contiguous? It seems like giving the Negev to the arabs would be a huge boon (an arab-controlled landlink between Gaza, its theoretical port, and the West Bank) without exactly depriving Israel of any prime real estate. Actually neither state was contiguous. They were split up to three chunks each. It was basically a plan that could result in nothing other than a civil war even if all sides initially accepted it:  death .cab for qt posted:I thought that proposal was blatantly fake and only being reported on by Israeli news sources? Or did I misread that first article? Yeah, Israel Army Radio being the only source? Questionable.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Military justice is to justice what military music is to music.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Groucho Marx posted: Marx was right.
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Spangly A posted:There must be something in TTIP that Europe really, really wants because Israel is universally unpopular here. The European population, when they've heard of it, is mostly hostile to TTIP. Which is probably why Brussels wants it.
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When even the IDF is opening criminal investigations, that makes the persistent denials of any wrongdoing looks kind of ridiculous. Among other things: --- The Chief Military Advocate General, Major General Danny Efroni, has announced the opening of a criminal investigation into the July 24 attack on a school in northern Gaza belonging to the UN agency, in which 14 Palestinians were killed, and an attack on a beach in Gaza eight days earlier, in which four children were killed. --- What will come of it? A slap on the wrist? Two slaps on the wrist? We shall see. I wonder if the new UN commission will go into the light sentences these investigations mysteriously lead to. Although having started its own investigations, I predict that international pressure will subside. 
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No wrists are getting slapped, you're gonna get variations of 'given the limited intelligence and life or death circumstances surrounding these incidents the soldiers involved were acting in accordance to their best judgement and made the utmost efforts to avoid harming civilians and damaging civilian infrastructure'
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Spoke Lee posted:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/09/08/israelis-warm-to-a-palestinian-state-carved-out-of-egypt/ Is there any confirmation of this at all from a non-Israeli source, or even a non-IDF force? It lines up so incredibly perfectly with Israeli propaganda interests that, considering the source, it really lacks credibility.
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