Angry Diplomat posted:

Saint Roka should organize nearby orc priests and high priests to smite in volleys

serious edit: it sounds like a nightmare to code all that extra AI and keep it reasonably balanced and interesting, but it could be very interesting to have a monster of some type that gives all monsters in LOS cooperative/non-stupid AI. So, stuff like hydras swapping places with other monsters to get into melee with you, and low-health dumb monsters letting other dumb monsters swap in, plus everything being much less likely to blunder into damaging clouds.

I'm not sure where you'd put it, though, since Vaults already has a really tightly-designed dynamic, Orc and Elf are already full of cooperating/relatively smart monsters, and it might seem out of place or useless in other branches. Crypt, maybe? Perhaps the nastier intelligent undead/unholy stuff like Death Knights, Ancient Champions, and the like could have that effect on dumb undead to make the chaff a little more tactically relevant.

Angry Diplomat posted:

quote:

LogicNinja the Bludgeoner (Kobold Fighter) Turns: 34983, Time: 01:17:42

HP 102/102 AC 19 Str 20 XL: 17 Next: 97%
MP 12/12 EV 30 Int 8 God: Qazlal [*****.]
Gold 1636 SH 15 Dex 24 Spells: 2 memorised, 13 levels left

rFire + . . SeeInvis . b - +5 demon whip "Spellbinder" {antimagic, MR+}
rCold + + + Clarity . j - +1 ring mail {rPois}
rNeg . . . rCorr . Y - +1 buckler {rC+}
rPois + rRot . s - +2 hat of the Alchemist {rElec rF+ rC+ MR+}
rElec + Spirit + q - +0 cloak {+Inv}
SustAb . Warding . R - +1 pair of gloves {Dex+3}
rMut . Stasis . l - -1 pair of boots "Haud" {Str+4 Int+2}
Gourm . J - amulet of guardian spirit
MR ++++. I - +5 ring of protection
t - ring "Eratin" {rC+ MR+}

Sage Grimm posted:

Well since you have Blink learned why not dump some experience in Translocations? At this point I'd be generalizing, which is what you're doing so thumbs up keep doing that!

Humans Among Us posted:

My advice would be to keep pumping your Fire skill up. Fireball packs and small/tiny monsters into oblivion and stickyflame+melee the chaff. You don't really need repel missiles for now, just when you go to orc/dungeon/shoals it is very nice to have and doesn't take much skill.

I would also probably wear trog's ringmail over the steam dragon armour as soon as you'r done with regular lair.

Ixiggle posted:

I took a dive into casters and my second DEFE managed to make it to lair http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/ixiggle/ixiggle.txt

Other than veh's altar being on D9 I think I got pretty lucky but now have no idea what to skill up or which of the spells I've found to work towards. Charms for deflect missles? Transmutation for statue form? Not bother and keep pumping conj/fire for kill power? Casters are confusing but a refreshing change from splatting tabzerkers and I'm still hungry for my first win.

Sage Grimm posted:

Don't see why not. Sounds like it would be fun change of pace from relying on wands/evocables to murder things at range.

LogicNinja posted:

I mean, I can double down on melee and Invocations (18 now) instead, but yeah, it might be... I'll just get some more armor/dodging/fighting first.

Or I could start cranking Charms for Haste.

Prism posted:

You're gonna want haste. IMO since all crossbows have a minimum delay of 1.0 now they could really use the speed boost.

kaschei posted:

...Do you mean beogh's chain mail? Don't wear that on a DE caster.

PleasingFungus posted:

this doesn't actually make any sense

Humans Among Us posted:

Right i always confuse those If it was a ring mail would you wear it? Just curious..

Prism posted:

The lowest you can get by skill is 1.0 on any crossbow, right? I consider 1.0 kind of a breakpoint in attacks, in that I'd much rather have my actions under it than over it (reducing an attack from 1.0 and 0.9 is, to me, more significant than 0.9 and 0.8, simply because a lot of things happen at 1.0 and going faster than it is good).

So, assuming you're not a crossbow specialist (which this character isn't), you are probably shooting slower than 1.0, which is bad, which Haste helps with. It's still very good with everything else, too, but that bump with a slow crossbow is more noticable.

Prism posted:

(reducing an attack from 1.0 and 0.9 is, to me, more significant than 0.9 and 0.8, simply because a lot of things happen at 1.0 and going faster than it is good).

kaschei posted:

+6 ring mail rF+ rC+ is a caster's dream, yeah.

If you want to lower attack delay with okawaru... you use finesse.

The 1.0/0.9 thing is important tactically but statistically reducing your delay is more valuable the smaller your delay already is.

edit: obviously haste and finesse are useful separately but a) they don't stack b) you need a ton of crossbow skill to reach mindelay and "get all the skills" isn't usually very helpful

PleasingFungus posted:

this isn't really true, though.

a lot of people are confused about this (which is why I'm replying), but there's nothing special about 1.0 delay.

PleasingFungus posted:

this isn't really true, though.

a lot of people are confused about this (which is why I'm replying), but there's nothing special about 1.0 delay.

Poulpe posted:

How "Good" does your character generally need to be to push into extended? I'm at a point where I've got 4 runes (Snake Spider Vaults Abyss) and I'm really conflicted whether I should try for more or just make a break for the orb and bail.

I don't have many wins is all.

PleasingFungus posted:

this isn't really true, though.

a lot of people are confused about this (which is why I'm replying), but there's nothing special about 1.0 delay.

LogicNinja posted:

Found the Shield of the Gong on this KoFi of Qaz. How awful an idea is this? I'm already making All The Noise anyway... how much SH would I need to wield this without penalty?

Tarezax posted:

I think it's 21 SH to wield it without penalty.

LogicNinja posted:

Found the Shield of the Gong on this KoFi of Qaz. How awful an idea is this? I'm already making All The Noise anyway... how much SH would I need to wield this without penalty?