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Coleman posted:Bad players that know they're bad will always be better (more valuable to a team) than bad players who think they're good. 
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Coleman posted:Bad players that know they're bad will always be better (more valuable to a team) than bad players who think they're good. Knowing that you are bad implies you are a more experienced player. Dunning Kruger etc. PIGEOTO fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Sep 15, 2014 |
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Sep 15, 2014 22:34
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Watching Fnatic vs. Titan currently, and I'm really surprised by how many of these pro players are still using the CZ. I thought it would've completely dropped out of use favor, except for people who mainly use awps/scouts.
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Sep 15, 2014 22:41
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Coleman posted:Bad players that know they're bad will always be better (more valuable to a team) than bad players who think they're good.
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Sep 15, 2014 23:21
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I AM BRAWW posted:Watching Fnatic vs. Titan currently, and I'm really surprised by how many of these pro players are still using the CZ. I thought it would've completely dropped out of use favor, except for people who mainly use awps/scouts. To be fair, JW was basically a god with that thing.
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Sep 15, 2014 23:27
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JW somehow makes doing dumb poo poo that ought get you killed actually work.
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Sep 15, 2014 23:40
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Alternate rifle for T's should be the AKS-74u MP5 should be permanent with 1.6 sound effects bring back kill command right now Hire me Valve.
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Sep 16, 2014 00:01
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What would the 74 do, more damage or less? More accurate and less damaging?
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Sep 16, 2014 00:02
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M4A1-S is less ammo, more accurate than the alternative. I want to see Ts get the same choice, because I suck at spraying with the AK.
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Sep 16, 2014 00:09
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there should be a reverse ak. first shot is random, 2nd-4th shots spread horizontally and then after the 12th shot, every single one comes out deadly accurate, in full auto. imagine the meta of prefiring and knowing how to bait enemies
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Sep 16, 2014 00:09
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just, for a second, picture the meta
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Sep 16, 2014 00:10
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im not sure im being clear here just... look *starts waving hands around, in a pattern suspiciously similar to the first couple steps of the macarena* the meta
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Sep 16, 2014 00:11
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ArfJason posted:there should be a reverse ak. first shot is random, 2nd-4th shots spread horizontally and then after the 12th shot, every single one comes out deadly accurate, in full auto. imagine the meta of prefiring and knowing how to bait enemies I thought that's what machine guns were for.
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Sep 16, 2014 00:11
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An FAL, the british L1 variant. Heavy damage, more accurate, 20 rounds. No full-auto.
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Sep 16, 2014 00:12
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Mymla posted:M4A1-S is less ammo, more accurate than the alternative. I want to see Ts get the same choice, because I suck at spraying with the AK. Vahakyla posted:What would the 74 do, more damage or less? More accurate and less damaging? Try the Galil more. There are plenty of times where I favor the Galil's slightly less damage because it's far more forgiving on the accuracy. Xenaero fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Sep 16, 2014 |
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Sep 16, 2014 00:19
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Vahakyla posted:What would the 74 do, more damage or less? More accurate and less damaging? Yes. Maybe have it have a higher mag capacity too? Like double-taped mags or something. Basically a galil with 60 rounds. Haha. Vahakyla posted:An FAL, the british L1 variant. This would be kind of cool.
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Sep 16, 2014 00:25
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Replace ak-47 with riot shield.
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Sep 16, 2014 00:29
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Also when do I actually get the 20rnd visible mag on the M4? My immersion is ruined.
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Sep 16, 2014 00:31
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Vahakyla posted:An FAL, the british L1 variant. I'd be all over a semi-auto weapon
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Sep 16, 2014 00:34
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Spudd posted:I'd be all over a semi-auto weapon
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Sep 16, 2014 00:35
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Vahakyla posted:An FAL, the british L1 variant. This is my jam.
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Sep 16, 2014 00:36
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I AM BRAWW posted:Watching Fnatic vs. Titan currently, and I'm really surprised by how many of these pro players are still using the CZ. I thought it would've completely dropped out of use favor, except for people who mainly use awps/scouts. For 500 bucks it still wrecks face more than any other gun for the money. 5-7 is more versatile, but a well-deployed CZ is still a much better possibility of a kill imo.
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Sep 16, 2014 00:44
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Coleman posted:As someone who favors single tapping over spraying, I feel like a FAL would almost be overpowered. To be "more powerful" than an AK47 it would have to be a two shot to the torso (anything less is equal to the AK already) in order to balance with having lower ammo and no full auto. In the right hands, a FAL would be pretty overpowered, I think. Yeah that's what I'm thinking too. Semi-auto would mean we wouldn't have to really deal with much, if any, recoil. If it also has more damage than the AK-47 it'd just be pretty fuckin strong weapon. Maybe have it be an alternate for the SIG, and cost a little more?
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Sep 16, 2014 00:47
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I mean that plan sounds a lot like just taking the scope off the G3SG1. Which I don't even necessarily disagree with, so long as the firing rate was brought down a notch and you couldn't just hold the mouse down.Jeza posted:For 500 bucks it still wrecks face more than any other gun for the money. 5-7 is more versatile, but a well-deployed CZ is still a much better possibility of a kill imo. In scrub MG tier I prefer the CZ for T-side and 5-7 for CT. I feel better having 12 shots that I can empty nearly instantly if I'm pushing, but if I'm trying to hold something, I much prefer the heavier, more accurate, longer lasting fire from the 5-7. Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Sep 16, 2014 |
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Sep 16, 2014 01:09
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I AM BRAWW posted:Yeah that's what I'm thinking too. Semi-auto would mean we wouldn't have to really deal with much, if any, recoil. If it also has more damage than the AK-47 it'd just be pretty fuckin strong weapon. Maybe have it be an alternate for the SIG, and cost a little more?
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Sep 16, 2014 01:16
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Coleman posted:Yeah I didn't even really think about the recoil, but that's true. The only game I can really think of where the FAL was used a lot is in COD, in which case it's basically just a semi-auto AK with even less (for COD) recoil. It would be pretty god tier when all you have to do is two tap center mass every single time. An autosniper that didn't need to scope would be amazing, yes.
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Sep 16, 2014 01:21
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What need or possible alternative playing style is there for an alternative for T's standard weapon that isn't already covered by any other weapon?
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Sep 16, 2014 01:23
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Above described L1A1 would only have 20 in mag and 40 as spare. That and single shot would prevent spraying completely.
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Sep 16, 2014 01:30
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also is it just me or does it feel like each side benefits more from the other side's primary weapon more? Like the CTs enjoy the AK's increased firepower because they generally tend to bunker down in recognizable spots and cover corners whereas Ts would love to use a silenced M4 because it makes it just a tad harder to pinpoint them. This feels sort of like it's intentional, or am I just confusing myself here?
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Sep 16, 2014 01:33
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pandaK posted:also is it just me or does it feel like each side benefits more from the other side's primary weapon more? Like the CTs enjoy the AK's increased firepower because they generally tend to bunker down in recognizable spots and cover corners whereas Ts would love to use a silenced M4 because it makes it just a tad harder to pinpoint them. This feels sort of like it's intentional, or am I just confusing myself here? Yup. I sometimes grab the other team's rifles whenever I play. Also consider that more often than not the T team is the one that has to be on the move when entering a site while the CTs are usually stationary. Ts benefit from a more mobile rifle while CTs benefit from the more stationary one.
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Sep 16, 2014 01:42
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pandaK posted:also is it just me or does it feel like each side benefits more from the other side's primary weapon more? Like the CTs enjoy the AK's increased firepower because they generally tend to bunker down in recognizable spots and cover corners whereas Ts would love to use a silenced M4 because it makes it just a tad harder to pinpoint them. This feels sort of like it's intentional, or am I just confusing myself here?
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Sep 16, 2014 01:45
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pandaK posted:also is it just me or does it feel like each side benefits more from the other side's primary weapon more? Like the CTs enjoy the AK's increased firepower because they generally tend to bunker down in recognizable spots and cover corners whereas Ts would love to use a silenced M4 because it makes it just a tad harder to pinpoint them. This feels sort of like it's intentional, or am I just confusing myself here? I think if you could buy both sides' weapons, most people would get the AK regardless. One shot HS generally trumps any marginal gains from silencing or tighter spray pattern. Only time I'd favour another weapon would be M4A4 against a no armour rush. Also, I can only think of a few very specific examples of times where a rushing Terrorist would be "hard to pinpoint", even with a silenced weapon.
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As the owner of this beautiful piece of poo poo: I would be all over an FAL in CS:GO 
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Sep 16, 2014 02:25
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I AM BRAWW posted:I'm really surprised by how many of these pro players are still using the CZ. I thought it would've completely dropped out of use favor, It's been used pretty much non stop since it was added though
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Sep 16, 2014 02:28
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Powerful Wizard IRL posted:It's been used pretty much non stop since it was added though I'm talking about when they changed it to take over the Tec-9/Five Seven slot and bumped the price up.
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Sep 16, 2014 02:33
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The AK is 9/10 times the better rifle regardless of side.
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Sep 16, 2014 02:36
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I refined my thoughts a bit. AK costs 2700, with the option of a L1A1 (a single shot FAL british army variant). The l1a1 would be: -3500 credits -20 round mag, 40 in reserve -single shot only -super inaccurate while moving -extreme recoil This would still make it a serious contender with the AK in terms of value and close range.
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Sep 16, 2014 02:58
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Vahakyla posted:I refined my thoughts a bit. The new gun have to be crazy powerful to supplant the AK. The AK would be cheaper, have more ammo, and is already inaccurate during movement and lots of recoil. It'd have to be 2hko body shots and that would probably be OP.
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Sep 16, 2014 03:04
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Honestly I don't see why we want to add a new gun when Ts already have a $3500 pile of poo poo rifle that needs to be fixed.
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I can't be the only one that doesn't really want or care about new guns. The A1 was a good addition but it filled a role between the A4 and the lowly Famas, T's don't have that problem.
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