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Little_wh0re posted:Occ's thread thought: would people say that where he is is the lowest point of revival who I think everyone has a different opinion. Some people dislike season 3 but I think the second half of that season is the strongest stretch in New Who (Human Nature/Family of Blood two-parter, Blink and the three-parter return of the Master). I'd say the first half though, particularly the two-parter with the human Daleks and bad-accent Spiderman, followed by the Lazarus Experiment, is probably the worst 3 episode stretch. So basically the worst stretch immediately followed by the best.
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Pizdec posted:For much of the show the character of Doctor WHO wore a coat with a question mark on it That was also bad
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Sep 19, 2014 14:20
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Pizdec posted:According to the wiki (sorry, didn't watch much of old Who) fobwatches and clocks were A Thing for at least five incarnations. In that they occasionally featured on the show. They had equal prominence to a chair with a panda on it, an iconic element of the show that has mistakenly been lost by the ignorance and lack of vision in the shows' most recent producers.
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Sep 19, 2014 14:32
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The Big Bang really is pretty incredible. It's everything a Moffat episode tries to be and, now, more often than not fails to be. Matt Smith was on top form, portraying a version of his Doctor I feel didn't really show up again after that first season with him, and the non-linear story telling actually makes sense given the state of the universe; why Moffat continued to use this trick after this episode is beyond me. I mean, the promise at the end of the episode of a larger mystery is amazing, and it's such a shame it paid off so poorly. I really, really, don't know what went wrong, though if I was to throw out a guess; Sherlock. Moffat has gone down hill in every aspect of his show running since then and his flaws show through more starkly because he's no longer hitting such amazing heights in between them.
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Sep 19, 2014 14:45
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"YOU... WILL.. BECOME LIKE UZZZ."
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Slowpoke! posted:I think everyone has a different opinion. Some people dislike season 3 but I think the second half of that season is the strongest stretch in New Who (Human Nature/Family of Blood two-parter, Blink and the three-parter return of the Master). I'd say the first half though, particularly the two-parter with the human Daleks and bad-accent Spiderman, followed by the Lazarus Experiment, is probably the worst 3 episode stretch. Yeah, I'd agree with this. Broadly speaking, I'd put it like this - Series 1 - very good Series 2- very bad (probably worst series of revival) Series 3- half good, half bad Series 4 - a bit good, mostly bad Specials - all bad (yes, even WoM) Series 5 - best so far Series 6 - massive highs but far worse lows Series 7 - deeply mediocre Series 8 - not very good so far PriorMarcus posted:The Big Bang really is pretty incredible. It's everything a Moffat episode tries to be and, now, more often than not fails to be. Matt Smith was on top form, portraying a version of his Doctor I feel didn't really show up again after that first season with him, and the non-linear story telling actually makes sense given the state of the universe; why Moffat continued to use this trick after this episode is beyond me. Sometimes I think we timeshare a brain.
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Sep 19, 2014 14:46
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PriorMarcus posted:I really, really, don't know what went wrong, though if I was to throw out a guess; Sherlock. Sherlock premiered only 3 months after Moffat's first season running Doctor Who did...
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Sep 19, 2014 14:51
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PriorMarcus posted:Moffat has gone down hill in every aspect of his show running since then and his flaws show through more starkly because he's no longer hitting such amazing heights in between them. That said, Listen was the best normal episode since The God Complex or The Doctor's Wife.
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Sep 19, 2014 14:52
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Barry Foster posted:
I agree with most of this, except for the following differences: Series 1 - mostly bad Series 2 - okay with some very bad episodes series 4 - some good, some mediocre Specials - okay if a little over the top and uneven Series 8 - shows promise but has some flaws
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Sep 19, 2014 14:54
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I'd say that, overall, the Year of Specials were bad episodes punctuated with awesome moments. For as good as the Time Lord Victorious bit of Water of Mars was, the rest of the episode wasn't very good. Similarly, while the End of Time was mostly pretty bad, Dalton as Rassilon wasn't, John Simm had some fun hammy moments, and Wilf proved himself to be the best companion ever. The exceptions are the Next Doctor, which is a good episode, and Planet of the Dead, which didn't have any good moments.
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Sep 19, 2014 14:58
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thexerox123 posted:Sherlock premiered only 3 months after Moffat's first season running Doctor Who did... Yes, but the rough production history of Sherlock meant that he didn't start having to simultaneously run both of them until after the first season of Doctor Who. The Sherlock pilot was reshot entirely for example, and the writers/episodes were locked as early as 2008.
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Sep 19, 2014 14:58
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Slowpoke! posted:I think everyone has a different opinion. Some people dislike season 3 but I think the second half of that season is the strongest stretch in New Who (Human Nature/Family of Blood two-parter, Blink and the three-parter return of the Master). I'd say the first half though, particularly the two-parter with the human Daleks and bad-accent Spiderman, followed by the Lazarus Experiment, is probably the worst 3 episode stretch. I didn't like the Season 3 finale except for Utopia. For one, Gollum!Doctor made it so I simply couldn't take anything happening seriously. But aside from super bad CG (I mean, come on, it's Who), I felt the entire 3-parter was retroactively weakened when it turned out all Martha was doing was enacting the Doctor's plan.
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Sep 19, 2014 15:00
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Is there a place in your Big Finish account where it tells you when you downloaded a particular story? I want to see if I can figure out when I started listening. e: nm, found it. There's a place to see orders. Bicyclops fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Sep 19, 2014 |
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Sep 19, 2014 15:10
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Jsor posted:I felt the entire 3-parter was retroactively weakened when it turned out all Martha was doing was enacting the Doctor's plan. And his plan is such a loving dumb Peter Pan trip.
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Sep 19, 2014 15:14
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howe_sam posted:And his plan is such a loving dumb Peter Pan trip. Tenth Doctor does some dumb bullshit, news at, well, ten
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Sep 19, 2014 15:21
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Barry Foster posted:Yeah, I'd agree with this. Broadly speaking, I'd put it like this - It seems like you haven't been enjoying the show as much lately. I feel like Series 8 not being very good so far is a bit much though. I haven't disliked an episode yet, and felt like the Robin Hood episode was such fun it can be held up as an example of very good.
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Sep 19, 2014 17:16
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Barry Foster posted:Yeah, I'd agree with this. Broadly speaking, I'd put it like this - Ooh lists. I like lists. Series 1 - Weird. Not good or bad. Just...really weird and unsure of itself. Series 2 - The worst so far. Series 3 - Half amazing, half I'd like to forget. Series 4 - Very, very good. Specials - All awful except for WoM. Series 5 - Excellent Series 6 - 10 excellent episodes, 3 so bad they retroactively make the entire series taste funny. Series 7 - Aggressively mediocre. Like, TNG Season 7 mediocre. Like, "I'm not sure if I watched an episode of Doctor Who or stared at my blank TV for 45 minutes" mediocre. Series 8 - So far, very good.
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Sep 19, 2014 17:48
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Season 1: Good Season 2: If you skip CERTAIN episodes, excellent Season 3: Good, wonky end Season 4: EXCELLENT Specials: Bleh Season 5: Very Good Season 6: Ugh Season 7 A: Bad Season 7 B: OK Season 8: Ugh
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Sep 19, 2014 17:52
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Barry Foster posted:Yeah, I'd agree with this. Broadly speaking, I'd put it like this - I guess I must be coming from a different perspective because I've never seen any Who but the revival (will rectify that soon). But here's my reckoning Series 1 - garbage except for Dalek, Father's Day, The Empty Child, and The Doctor Dances Series 2 - very not good. Except Impossible Planet/Satan Pit and Girl in the Fireplace. And of course Daleks owning the Cybermen Series 3 - decidedly mixed, but better than the previous two, assuming you just skip the Daleks in Manhattan two-parter. There's no reason for anyone to subject themselves to that outside a toxx. And then, of course, it legendarily shits the bed at the end. Series 4 - mostly terrific Specials - I only saw Waters of Mars and The End of Time. WOM is terrific, and End of Time is End of Time. Wilf is great, though. Series 5 - near perfect, except for Cold Blood, but even that's better than a lot of Davies episodes. Series 6.0 - It's...okay. Series 6.5 - aaaaaaaaaaaaah. Series 7.0 - That sure was five episodes that happened. None were bad. None were great. Goodbye Amy and Rory. and hopefully River. Series 7.5 - Really solid, IMO; although Journey to the Center of the TARDIS is weirdly racist, and Nightmare in Silver is not as good as it could be, and I wasn't fond of The Name of the Doctor. But, I dunno, Hide, Cold War, and The Crimson Horror might all be in my top ten favorite episodes. Series 8 - Really rad so far. Loving it.
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taken as a pair season 1 & 2 are the best the revival's been (a couple of duff episodes aside). before Davies ran out of ideas / completely disappeared up his own arse.
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Sep 19, 2014 18:04
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Irish Joe posted:Now I can't unsee it you monster! I wasn't sure if anyone else noticed. I figured someone would have by now- judging by how huge this thread is.
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Sep 19, 2014 18:15
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Doctor Butts posted:I wasn't sure if anyone else noticed. I figured someone would have by now- judging by how huge this thread is. It's safest to just ignore Irish Joe
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Sep 19, 2014 18:18
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MrL_JaKiri posted:It's safest to just ignore Irish Joe More people should click the link in his BRCT.
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Sep 19, 2014 18:21
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Spikeguy posted:It seems like you haven't been enjoying the show as much lately. I feel like Series 8 not being very good so far is a bit much though. I haven't disliked an episode yet, and felt like the Robin Hood episode was such fun it can be held up as an example of very good. It's just so aggressively Moffat-y, and the episode that wasn't Moffat-y (the Robin Hood one) was complete bobbins. I know, I hate fun, but it just did nothing for me. Overall, there's not been a single original idea this series, it's just the same stuff as before but this time with an arsehole Doctor. It's also retaining (although to a lesser extent) the issue Series 7 had, which is that it feels like every episode is missing about half of its scenes. Except for Deep Breath, which took plenty of time to go nowhere. Something happened to the editing and pacing at the start of Series 7 - presumably Moffat's desire to 'slut up' the show and make it more fast paced - and I don't like it.
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Sep 19, 2014 18:25
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Big Mean Jerk posted:More people should click the link in his BRCT. Buy me archives then, I'm not made of forums upgrades
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Sep 19, 2014 18:27
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PriorMarcus posted:All of the episodes are the worst episode. Except Love and Monsters.
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Sep 19, 2014 18:28
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Pizdec posted:The watch was also used in "The Next Doctor" and 11th used a non-plot relevant fobwatch. According to the wiki (sorry, didn't watch much of old Who) fobwatches and clocks were A Thing for at least five incarnations. The show never was above exploiting the correlation. Which "five incarnations" were these, because I did watch a ton of old DW and I am 99.9% certain neither clocks nor fobwatches were A Thing on the televised series prior to Tennant (granted there's probably a fair bit of it in other media, though). quote:Nah, I mean the circular design that was introduced in the new series and is even referenced in the opening itself. OK, wasn't sure what you meant. In that case, again it was a thing created for the new series and as such isn't a thing with a long association with DW. Also I should add that I'm not watching the new series at all, so I have no idea what the current opening titles look like to begin with. Thus, I'm probably fussing about clocks and symbols and poo poo for no actual reason. 
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Barry Foster posted:
I felt that sense of pacing for Into the Dalek (and I agree that Deep Breath twiddled its fingers around for the first half), but I think Listen paced itself pretty well, if nothing else. The Robin Hood episode sort of demands that kind of a frantic pace, so it was okay for me. MrL_JaKiri posted:Buy me archives then, I'm not made of forums upgrades It's more or less exactly what it says in the text, describing the child in the picture in his avatar, I don't really think it needs clicking.
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Basically Irish Joe is a creepy gently caress who should have been banned, but now shitposts instead.
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Aw man, clicked that link to see it was the Doobie's Doghouse thread but it looks like the trip reports me and the two other goons that went there posted got deleted  e: also yeah loving gross Tim Burns Effect fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Sep 19, 2014 |
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Sep 19, 2014 18:45
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Sydney Bottocks posted:OK, wasn't sure what you meant. In that case, again it was a thing created for the new series and as such isn't a thing with a long association with DW. In that shot it looks more like it's referencing the headdresses than the concept of a clock.
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Sep 19, 2014 18:53
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The tone of the new doctor is still being felt out but some of the traits I'm picking up on: -The Dadliest doctor. He is a dad. The uncool dad. The cool dad. The doddering father-idiot. The brilliant MLG dadskills dad. The dad you can spend time with and bond with but can't be around always or he'd drive you nuts. The dad you're happy to see, but embarrassed to have barge in on your personal life. The dad who's bad at hugs but loves them though he won't admit it. -A serious scientist hungry for more knowledge and who rigorously searches for evidence. He will even admit when he's wrong, like a good scientist, after testing a hypothesis. -Highly literate. We haven't physically seen it much yet but he seems a major book-reader in how he comes across to me. Quoting poetry and such is evidence of that - as is his general command of prose. His general tone is also reflective of contemplative book-reading - Here's a Doctor that's more the product of spending many hours in the science fiction section of a library than bombastic television writing. I like him a lot and "Listen" sealed the deal with me for Capaldi. Holy poo poo he's brilliant. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Sep 19, 2014 |
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Sep 19, 2014 19:00
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I'd have to agree on Capaldi. I hope it's not that new doctor smell. This is my first new Doctor. I started on Smith, went back and saw some Tennant, then decided to watch everything in order. What were your perceptions on the last 3 new Doctors, and did they change over time?
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Sep 19, 2014 19:16
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Spikeguy posted:I'd have to agree on Capaldi. I hope it's not that new doctor smell. This is my first new Doctor. I started on Smith, went back and saw some Tennant, then decided to watch everything in order. What were your perceptions on the last 3 new Doctors, and did they change over time? I've liked each of them almost instantly, although it took me until almost the end of their first episodes to see exactly what both Tennant and Capaldi were going for. Capaldi you definitely need to get used to more than the others, I think, because there are a lot of layers to his acting.
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Matt Smith started quirky and got more mature, but it was a forced maturity. He's Pee Wee Herman meets Buckaroo Banzai meets Willy Wonka. (All the more reason why I love him.) His best trait was changing the tone from playful to deadly serious, and when not 'forced', delivering meaningful messages to give his best stories a sense of gravity. Towards the end of his run they were pushing the 'really old alien in a young body' thing but weren't quite selling it totally cause Matt is so youthful. Capaldi now IS the maturity they were going for. The times when Matt Smith didn't work felt like his normally brilliant acting was playing out of key with the writing. David Tennant was the biggest 'hero doctor.' He was a superhero swashbuckler Doctor. He started out a hero and over time kept being heroic. The only really significant way he really changed was he got angrier a lot more often about his 'dark past.' Like superhero comics where readers get bored of the hero being all heroic all the time so the writers introduce 'dark past' stuff and villians linked to the hero's own 'dark past.' It was pulpy and fun at its best. Stupid and eye-rolling at worst. Definitely the most 'overpowered superman' of the Doctors. It's worth noting that his best episode(s) was where he was turned into a normal human for a while - like Superman losing his power and thinking he's totally Clark Kent. I love them both, and they're different enough for me to not say either was better or worse. They deliver different kinds of stories that are worth enjoying on their own merits. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Sep 19, 2014 |
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Spacedad posted:-A serious scientist hungry for more knowledge and who rigorously searches for evidence. He will even admit when he's wrong, like a good scientist, after testing a hypothesis. Argh, thank you! I've been trying to put my finger on something I really enjoyed about him in Listen all week, and that's exactly it. It's high time that we had a Doctor again who could plausibly describe himself as a curious scientist rather than a crusading adventurer.
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Sep 19, 2014 19:34
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Trin Tragula posted:Argh, thank you! I've been trying to put my finger on something I really enjoyed about him in Listen all week, and that's exactly it. It's high time that we had a Doctor again who could plausibly describe himself as a curious scientist rather than a crusading adventurer. A good REAL scientist is basically a hero, albeit an indirect one. See: Climatologists, medical researchers, etc. A much more thoughtful kind of heroism.
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Trin Tragula posted:Argh, thank you! I've been trying to put my finger on something I really enjoyed about him in Listen all week, and that's exactly it. It's high time that we had a Doctor again who could plausibly describe himself as a curious scientist rather than a crusading adventurer. The entire time he's talking to himself and talking to Clara, he's basically losing his mind over the fact that he's had a passing thought that festered into an untestable hypothesis, which was kind of great. In the end, it turned out to be the veil for another piece of the identity crisis he's been going through all season though. I like that as an overarching plot more than anything to do with Missy, I just wish that Clara didn't have to solve the crisis for him whenever he chooses with total disruption to her life, or that he would be just a tad gentler about it.
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Spacedad posted:A good REAL scientist is basically a hero, albeit an indirect one. See: Climatologists, medical researchers, etc. I'm not a hero, I'm a scientist.
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DoctorWhat posted:I'm not a hero, Which in many ways is better than a hero. The search for truth trumps blundering into impassioned causes where you may be horribly wrong. Real heroes don't set out to be heroes. Hero is something we call someone in hindsight as a sum of their actions. This new Doctor understands he can't play at being hero or he'll make the horribly wrong decision - he needs to look for the truth. The new Doc is also brutally honest. A scientist through and through. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Sep 19, 2014 |
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