|
Godholio posted:While they're basically more precious than gold, they'll be used to the breaking point because everything else is literally already there. Syria actually has/had a reasonable air defense network, so proving the Raptor is effective at kicking in the door on day zero is probably a better idea than launching B-2 sorties from Missouri. Well they aren't really proving it against Syria's air defense, they negotiated an agreement with the help of Russia for the airstrikes. The radars stayed passive. Cyrano4747 posted:You've got to wonder how much that thing has degraded. Not just from the general wear and tear of "being military equipment in a war zone for 3+years" but in terms of the crew capabilities. If there's one thing I've gathered from this thread it's that competent AAA crews take just about as long to train up as your average MD, and I can't imagine that they were prioritizing AAA for manpower when there was a civil war going on. Yes, one of the main rebel targets in the first phase of the war were air defense bases. They'd destroy radars and take the 23mm guns for mounting on flatbed trucks, either local or provided by Qatar. But Russia has helped them keep their AA credible, they have s-300s and there are rumors about s-400s. That was back when the no fly zone was still on the table for more than just the areas that could be pretended were near enough turkish and israeli borders. They were doing the early work.
|
# ? Sep 23, 2014 22:44 |
|
|
# ? Jun 5, 2024 08:56 |
|
Cyrano4747 posted:You've got to wonder how much that thing has degraded. Not just from the general wear and tear of "being military equipment in a war zone for 3+years" but in terms of the crew capabilities. If there's one thing I've gathered from this thread it's that competent AAA crews take just about as long to train up as your average MD, and I can't imagine that they were prioritizing AAA for manpower when there was a civil war going on. Well sure, but what are you willing to risk on "they're probably not that good anymore"? A couple of B-52 crews? A bunch of F-16s? Igor Strelkov posted:Well they aren't really proving it against Syria's air defense, they negotiated an agreement with the help of Russia for the airstrikes. The radars stayed passive. I'm sure their certain destruction at US hands had nothing to do with the results of that negotiation.
|
# ? Sep 23, 2014 23:01 |
|
Igor Strelkov posted:But Russia has helped them keep their AA credible, they have s-300s and there are rumors about s-400s. Syria's air defense is a loving joke outside a tiny area where they consolidated all their cool poo poo. ISIS isn't exactly hanging out in those strongholds.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 01:41 |
|
Godholio posted:Well sure, but what are you willing to risk on "they're probably not that good anymore"? A couple of B-52 crews? A bunch of F-16s? Well, when you're using a country's airspace, which is easier, agreeing to a time and place for clear airspace, or potentially flying against sams and enemy fighters, even if your stuff is better? It only takes one good SAM commander and your fancy stealth plane is in some containers headed to China.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 02:23 |
|
Igor Strelkov posted:It only takes one good SAM commander and your fancy stealth plane is in some containers headed to China. K.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 02:28 |
|
Igor Strelkov posted:Well, when you're using a country's airspace, which is easier, agreeing to a time and place for clear airspace, or potentially flying against sams and enemy fighters, even if your stuff is better? It only takes one good SAM commander and your fancy stealth plane is in some containers headed to China. I'm hopeful the Air Force learned that lesson. The pilot community seems to have done so, from when I've been in planning sessions. And it still took that dude a week to do it.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 02:46 |
|
I doubt they are flying it permissively like they started to get in Yugoslavia either. There has to be some CJs waiting for the word.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 03:14 |
|
Without detail in any of the news articles, there are a lot of things the F-22 could have been there for that weren't dropping bombs, including air-air overwatch, sensors and spotting for the TLAMs, or just being in the area to satisfy a PR checkbox.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 05:57 |
|
Godholio posted:I'm hopeful the Air Force learned that lesson. The pilot community seems to have done so, from when I've been in planning sessions. Yeah. I hope the agreement that Russia brokered for use of airspace for the ISIS campaign can lead to more cooperation.http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/17/reported-us-syrian-accord-on-air-strikes/ quote:The Obama administration, working through the Russian government, has secured an agreement from the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad to permit U.S. airstrikes against Islamic State targets in parts of Syria, according to a source briefed on the secret arrangements. I've been looking for pictures of the trainers that Syria bought from Russia, and new photos of the refurbished jets with their new laser guided missiles, but I've had no luck. It's really hard to find high res pictures of anything from the government side. Lots of rebel stuff though. Here's a nicely painted Venezuelan and a scary drone instead. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 08:17 on Sep 24, 2014 |
# ? Sep 24, 2014 07:37 |
|
Igor Strelkov posted:the neocon kill list. The quoted article also claims Ukraine is just one big neocon hitjob and references 'the neocon Washington Post.' It does not help with credibility. Also considering the significant downsides to owing either Russia or Iran favors right now, one hopes any 'deal' is of the "we're coming over the beach, keep the radars and the planes cold unless you want them obliterated" variety. Unfortunately I have low confidence in this.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 08:42 |
|
Godholio posted:All of the military infrastructure we left behind was probably built in the 60s. It's probably made out of asbestos and Topps chewing gum, and the only way we're going to get permission to rebuild is to provide some sweet, sweet construction contracts for the local economy. Having just been to Keflavik, staging P-8's out of there would not be hard. Kef is Iceland's main international airport and plays host to a standing deployment of NATO fighters. The Icelandic Coast Guard has kept all the facilities they still own in good repair and the housing is actually really nice. The money pit would be all the support facilities like enlisted dorms, post office, commissary, MWR stuff, etc. cause that was all turned over to civilian use and is now apartment buildings and businesses. So you either have to start from scratch on all that or buy out a lot of locals. Or just make it a rotating deployment like the fighters and duck all that.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 10:42 |
|
Snowdens Secret posted:The quoted article also claims Ukraine is just one big neocon hitjob and references 'the neocon Washington Post.' It does not help with credibility. The President did straight up say that if Assad shoots at our jets, he'll commit forces for regime change. Also, I haven't forgotten about our LCS discussion, I just haven't been working on it for a couple of weeks. Still waiting on the results of the Small Surface Combatant Study.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 13:27 |
|
Oh man, how awesome are F-4 Phantoms? What a big, ugly, brute of a plane. Just fuckin' hanging it out there on those fat loving engines. I love it.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 15:29 |
|
Who ya callin' ugly?
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 15:45 |
Bruiser posted:Oh man, how awesome are F-4 Phantoms? What a big, ugly, brute of a plane. Just fuckin' hanging it out there on those fat loving engines. I love it. gently caress yes. Probably my favorite looking aircraft.
|
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 15:49 |
|
Wild Weasel!
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 16:01 |
|
Other than transports, what fixed wing aircraft do the Marines use?? Edit: Harriers and F-35's I suppose.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 16:02 |
Bruiser posted:Other than transports, what fixed wing aircraft do the Marines use?? Hornets too right?
|
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 16:09 |
|
Bruiser posted:Other than transports, what fixed wing aircraft do the Marines use?? Short list here of current USMC aircraft types 1st MAW(Marine Air Wing) out of Okinawa operates Hornets, Prowlers, Harriers. 2nd MAW (Cherry Point) operates Prowlers, Harriers, Hornets, F-35Bs and a loving flock of ospreys. 3rd MAW (Miramar) operates Hornets, F-35B, Harriers. 4th MAW (Ft. Worth) operates Hornets, and Tiger IIs in an adversary role.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 16:15 |
|
Breaky posted:Hornets too right? And the EA-6B.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 16:20 |
|
drat. I look like an rear end in a top hat. I didn't realize the Marines operated so many fixed wing aircraft. I thought they mostly did rotary.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 16:23 |
|
Bruiser posted:drat. I look like an rear end in a top hat. I didn't realize the Marines operated so many fixed wing aircraft. I thought they mostly did rotary. Yeah you'd think the Navy's army and the Navy's air force could just work together and that'd be that but it turns out the Navy's army apparently needs its own air force.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 16:44 |
|
I love how the 2nd largest air force in the world is the US Navy haha.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 16:47 |
|
Bruiser posted:drat. I look like an rear end in a top hat. I didn't realize the Marines operated so many fixed wing aircraft. I thought they mostly did rotary. And even though you said except for transports, it's worth mentioning that they even turned those into weapon systems kind of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIodcKSIARU The griffin delivery is funny looking: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=65d_1406864397 Weapon manufacturer videos have the funniest music.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 16:52 |
|
So I surf other forums sometimes and they have sponsor's posts. Today I was treated to a short novella on the political and military history of the United States, as retold by Stalin. http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/misc.php?do=postrelease&prx_t=U5cBA5rkBAdBUCA&prx_q=711 quote:“There are three things extremely hard: steel, a diamond, and to know one’s self.” For reference this is the accompanying advertisement based on the same theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfyXy1utRcY For non-AI posters this is also a hilariously massive over-response to Ford's plans to introduce an aluminum heavy F-150 shortly.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 17:04 |
|
Found this recently FOIA'd article from the CIA's internal newsletter "Studies in Intelligence", describing the intelligence buzzword bestiary, circa 1982.quote:
http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/DOC_0000619161.pdf
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 17:08 |
|
Well if I need to dive deep in a fullsize pickup now I know who to go with.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 17:10 |
|
priznat posted:Well if I need to dive deep in a fullsize pickup now I know who to go with. Except the outer hull of a sub doesn't hold pressure. And the Merrimack was a wooden ship with iron cladding.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 18:00 |
|
GMC LIES
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 18:07 |
|
joat mon posted:And the Merrimack was a wooden ship with iron cladding. Strictly speaking, Merrimack was a wooden ship and Virginia had the cladding.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 18:22 |
|
joat mon posted:Except the outer hull of a sub doesn't hold pressure. Also IIRC none of the American subs simulated in that commercial or in the water today have double hulls.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 20:05 |
|
Sperglord Actual posted:Strictly speaking, Merrimack was a wooden ship and Virginia had the cladding. strictly speaking only traitors acknowledge rebel naming conventions.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 20:42 |
|
I like how in this video of MV-22s taking off of a carrier deck, the crewman on the deck seems increasingly plaintive with his arm motion signaling that they should take off and go away and stop blasting him with wind rotor wash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMvImoYu4Z4 Rodrigo Diaz posted:strictly speaking only traitors acknowledge rebel naming conventions. Yup. Failed rebellions don't get to name things.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 21:01 |
|
Take a look at the south today and tell me with a straight face that the rebellion failed.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 21:41 |
|
Sperglord Actual posted:Take a look at the south today and tell me with a straight face that the rebellion failed. Yup. Now let me get back to whipping my slaves, gotta get that cotton to market!
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 21:43 |
|
Doctor Grape Ape posted:Yup. Now let me get back to whipping my states' rights protected property, gotta get that cotton to market! Translated for treason apologists.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 21:55 |
|
Doctor Grape Ape posted:Yup. Now let me get back to whipping my slaves, gotta get that cotton to market! No joke the penal system down there is only a step above antebellum slave plantation status. Some plantations have had generations of the same families working as over...prison guards.
|
# ? Sep 24, 2014 21:58 |
|
Number of Saturn V on display in former confederate states: 4 1/2. Number of Saturn V on display in non-confederate areas: 1/2. Checkmate, yankees. LostCosmonaut fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Sep 25, 2014 |
# ? Sep 25, 2014 01:50 |
|
Trying to outsource the second March to the Sea was a bad decision in retrospect.
|
# ? Sep 25, 2014 02:10 |
|
|
# ? Jun 5, 2024 08:56 |
|
LostCosmonaut posted:Number of Saturn V on display in former confederate states: 4 1/2. Orbital mechanics has a treasonous bias?!
|
# ? Sep 25, 2014 02:54 |