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As far as the FTC thing it is only going to make matters worst for everybody concerned. I think BFL needed just a little more time to get the product out the door to the buyers. The FTC will only bring that to a holt, and in the end the Chinese win by knocking off one of the few American competitor's. Its a bad deal for all.
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Well the FTC can read this: These people have done nothing but good to me, I am Very happy customer since 2013.
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In any case FTC's involvement is only hurting legit consumers! FTC get out of the way and let us start receiving the products we've ordered!!! You're only further hurting the consumer now!
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Unfortunately the FTC is going after the visible problem but the wrong people. Butterfly labs have been offering refunds, they have shipped working product and they have made refunds (I know because I got mine a couple of weeks back). BFL may have their faults (indeed I warned them that I thought they might be courting trouble with the FTC a while back) however overall they are one of the more honest players in the the bitcoin world. By comparison to others for example AMT who have so far escaped with only class action suits being filed against them. I think BFL would have sorted itself out in time, delivered product to those who were prepared to wait and refunds to the rest. Indeed I would go so far as to offer myself as a rebuttal witness or provide a sworn affidavit on their behalf. Yes their refund process is slow but no slower than the airlines (refunds take up to 30 days). Yes they have been consistently optimistic about delivery timescales. When I brought my singles I did not expect to wait nearly 10 months for them but fortunately in that time the value of bitcoins rose almost as fast as the difficulty meaning that I made money on my singles despite the enormous delay. I agree you can't make money on a butterfly (even at $1800) now and I asked for an received a refund. Technological delays are not the result of miscreants but of bad engineering management practices which should not result in the commercial death penalty. FTC please return BFL to its owners, reach a consent agreement if you like, monitor them if you like. Please let BFL go so you can go after the real crooks. alternately, Powershift posted:Lots of fraud. oodles of it. Even if the FTC threw a dart at the board and picked 5 instances, they would be able to nail them to a wall.
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quote:overall they are one of the more honest players in the the bitcoin world.
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i can't wait for various news outlets to say the word buttcoin
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Sep 24, 2014 22:35
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Abused spouses, but with bitcoin!
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Sep 24, 2014 23:22
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powershift in the grey thread apparently just found inaba tampering with the bfl site to remove evidence http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3543334&perpage=40&pagenumber=1406#post435356335
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oh and there's this
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Sep 24, 2014 23:49
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when the bfl
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killhamster posted:it either broke or BFL cut it off no, Jeff removed comments on the site after the latest site downtime fortunately they're all on discuq which he doesn't have access to and can be restored at any time 
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what ever happened to avalon? i vaguely remember there being lots of snide remarks from bitcoiners about how their chips weren't worth it because bfl will have their stuff shipped any day now
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Greyhawk posted:oh and there's this i wonder if these guys were just hired by bfl
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Greyhawk posted:powershift in the grey thread apparently just found inaba tampering with the bfl site to remove evidence ho lee poo poo. this is wildly illegal right? he's literally begging to get hosed right now right?
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Heresiarch posted:i wonder if these guys were just hired by bfl They wouldn't be the ones to choose the receiver. Someone at the FTC picked a local receiver. Looking at the firm's website, business litigation seems to be their specialty, so it's not surprising they would have someone with experience in corporate receivership. AlbieQuirky fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Sep 25, 2014 |
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Heresiarch posted:i wonder if these guys were just hired by bfl appointed by a court at the request of the ftc, bfl wouldnt have known about it till the reciever showed up with marshals and a court order
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Sep 25, 2014 02:24
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those poor guys inbox is gonna get flooded with a bunch of incoherent reddit emails now
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FCKGW posted:those poor guys inbox is gonna get flooded with a bunch of incoherent reddit emails now theres probably a paralegal monitoring that inbox and only anything relevant will get passed on to whoever the most junior guy there is or whoever ticked the reciever off most recently
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Sep 25, 2014 02:29
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man i'm dumb today, of course they were hired by the ftc to handle the receivership, durrrr
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just fired off an email to the FTC, let's see if I get a reponse 
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Heresiarch posted:man i'm dumb, durrrr
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FCKGW posted:just fired off an email to the FTC, let's see if I get a reponse i hope it works but what grounds would you have for getting the site back anyway "hey i'm the previous owner and i sold the site for money, most of which i've since spent, but because the current owner is persona non grata i was thinking maybe i could have the site back for free?"
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"hey wouldn't it be funny if I got the site back? haha, too funny but do you think it would work?"
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just try to become a witness so you can say buttcoin multiple times in a courtroom
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Hi FCKGW, Thank you for reaching out to me. Would you have time to talk tomorrow? You can reach me at the number below or we can schedule a time to talk. Helen Wong Attorney Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection hobbesmaster posted:its a company asset, just ask them if they'll auction it or w/e that's basically what I asked, yeah FCKGW fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Sep 25, 2014 |
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FCKGW posted:"hey wouldn't it be funny if I got the site back? haha, too funny but do you think it would work?" its a company asset, just ask them if they'll auction it or w/e
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jony ive aces posted:lol yeah fckgw, i love your work almost as much as i like how but i dont see on what grounds you have to claim fraud on the sale. i might be missing something but just because the new owner said he wants to keep things the same, doesn't mean he's legally obligated to or anything. he could have redirected buttcoin.org to woolongdevice.com for all he wanted, since he owns it and everything now if you had a contract that spelt those terms out then of course thats a different story
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FCKGW posted:Hi FCKGW,
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Stay Safe Poverty Ghola
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FCKGW posted:"hey wouldn't it be funny if I got the site back? haha, too funny but do you think it would work?"
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im watching the blacklist on netflix and this guy just converted money to bitcoin and i laughed
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I'm not literally asking for the site back, I just want to know what the plans are. more than anything I want to see buttcoin in official court docs
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FCKGW posted:more than anything I want to see buttcoin in official court docs
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now that the us government has said buttcoin, i feel the question this thread set out to resolve has been answered. someone has said buttcoin, so it's time to put this thing to bed. close thread, and maybe shut down the forums for a bit and lay low so we don't go to jail for aiding the buttcoin wing of the criminal Butterfly Labs empire.
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TVarmy posted:now that the us government has said buttcoin, i feel the question this thread set out to resolve has been answered. a court hasn't said buttcoin yet though so we should at least wait for that one
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hello from the evidence room
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has dorian nakamoto said buttcoin yet
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has the SCOTUS said buttcoin yet?
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at the very least, buying through an alias with company funds while lying about your intention for buying and who you are could be indicative of fraudulent actions, especially after the post-sale edits to BFL articles to being endorsements. keeping the site the same except for that could, if not being fraudulent in itself, be part of the body of evidence that the FTC would want to show that fraudulent behavior is rampant in BFL.
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