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GaussianCopula posted:Apparently Josh changed his vote to Baylor last second during Tribal Council, which is very suprising to me. Might put him in hot water with Baylor. Was this knowledge gained somewhere in particular by you? Can you elaborate on why you think this? I chalked it up entirely to the show deliberately not showing us why Josh and Baylor made their votes due to it possibly spoiling strategy for later in the game. In any case I'd say Nadia's ejection was displayed to be based on her making assumptions and stereotyping so I'm glad she's out. Good to see Josh seems to be a smart guy and both didn't play the situation emotionally, and made the decision I agreed with (I'm talking about sticking with the more loyal seeming guys and getting Nadia out... not the apparently erroneous vote for Baylor). Still though, poor guy's eyes!!  Speaking of spoiling, those "scenes from next... rest of the season" holy crap, did anyone else watch those? I don't know what to think, there were like 3 or 4 highly significant things hinted at. Whether they were bluffs or double bluffs is still a possibility but I venture to say this kind of "scenes from" is a first for this show. Got me excited though, some funny stuff was in there. edit: Spelled Baylor's name wrong cause I'm not sure it's a name. Has anyone else heard of it? I first put Baynor but realized wait that can't be right... changed it to Balnor cause that's a dwarf name I made in WoW then was like wait that doesn't mean it's a real name. Danzel Glovington fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Sep 25, 2014 |
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Danzel Glovington posted:Was this knowledge gained somewhere in particular by you? Can you elaborate on why you think this? I chalked it up entirely to the show deliberately not showing us why Josh and Baylor made their votes due to it possibly spoiling strategy for later in the game. EW has an interview with Jeff directly after the Tribal, in which Dalton Ross tells Jeff that Josh said it in his 1 sentence when he wrote the name down.
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Danzel Glovington posted:edit: Spelled Baylor's name wrong cause I'm not sure it's a name. Has anyone else heard of it? I first put Baynor but realized wait that can't be right... changed it to Balnor cause that's a dwarf name I made in WoW then was like wait that doesn't mean it's a real name. I kept thinking of the Sept of Baelor from Game of Thrones. v  vAs someone who's never watched AR except an episode here or there, I didn't hate the twinnies right off the bat and was even fine with them until Nadiya started stereotyping Josh like a dipshit. I could not stop laughing at Dale breaking his loving glasses though. I'm really liking Keith so far because calling Rocker an rear end is always cool in my book. I suspect he will go far. His son seems like a dumbass, though.
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DaisyDanger posted:I kept thinking of the Sept of Baelor from Game of Thrones. v On the podcast, Rob and Nicole were speculating that for each pair, there was one actual applicant and one recruit. It'll be interesting to see if that follows from the way they all play. My old dude ponies are both being awesome so far, so I'm satisfied.
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Danzel Glovington posted:Was this knowledge gained somewhere in particular by you? Can you elaborate on why you think this? I chalked it up entirely to the show deliberately not showing us why Josh and Baylor made their votes due to it possibly spoiling strategy for later in the game. Yeah I wish I hadn't watched the preview scenes since there are a lot of fully-bearded men in them spoiling who lasts long.
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I really like Keith. I know he wont win but drat if I don't think he seems like a good dude. If I had to take a stab at someone who actually is going to win, I would either say Jon Misch or Jeremy Collins
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Sep 25, 2014 17:11
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If Josh really changed at the last minute, he's a loving moron because had Baylor not bailed him out, he would've put the biggest loving target on himself when the vote ended up tied.
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Propaganda Machine posted:On the podcast, Rob and Nicole were speculating that for each pair, there was one actual applicant and one recruit. It'll be interesting to see if that follows from the way they all play. I think I remember reading something similar for the first BvW. Something like Aras wanted to bring his girlfriend/wife, but the producers thought his brother would be a better fit. I might be imagining this.
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sportsgenius86 posted:If Josh really changed at the last minute, he's a loving moron because had Baylor not bailed him out, he would've put the biggest loving target on himself when the vote ended up tied. Scene we saw: She told him she wanted to do what he was doing Scene we didn't see speculation: He told her he was voting out Nadiya So she votes along with him, although he then changes his vote at the last second. Possibly despite Nadiya's totally weird gay "girlfriend" stuff he still felt guilty betraying her when she obviously thought they were friends, so instead of voting for the person leaving the game he votes for his friend that's staying in the game. Or perhaps he wanted to cover up that he had an ally with the women, so now there's still the proper number of votes for Nadiya.
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Sep 25, 2014 17:51
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Almost everyone seemed utterly boring from the initial cast list, but I agree having watched an episode that this actually seems like a good cast. I'm hoping Jeremy goes far.
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It still seems weird to me because people are likely to talk about what happened at tribal, especially with the single odd vote. So John, Dale, Wes and the other guy (not Josh) are going to say 'I voted for Nadiya for <insert reason here>.' Val and the other woman are going to say 'I voted for Dale because he is old.' And then since it was Nadiya's idea they will assume that she didn't go off script and vote for Baylor. That just leaves Josh and Baylor and since Baylor can't vote for herself, it will be obvious that it was Josh. None of the other guys have any reason to lie about their vote, so it seems like it would be hard to start a smear campaign about how one of them is a liar and out to get Baylor. Josh can't play the 'I wasn't in the loop' card with the women, so it's a clear betrayal by both Josh and Baylor.
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I thought there might be some kind of legit strategy reason for Josh's Baylor vote that I couldn't think of when I was watching, but after reading this thread it just seems like he was overthinking and overplaying it. Wonder if Baylor will figure out it's him and will turn on him for it? Nadya was pretty dumb. Even if she didn't realize that saying the whole "one of the girls" poo poo might offend Josh, there was really no reason for her to say it again at Tribal and let all the guys know who the betraying vote would be.
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I don't think Baylor has any reason to turn on Josh for the wonky vote, at least not in the short run. He can sell it as a way to hide the fact that they're tight - if it was clear that one woman had flipped, the other women would be mad at her and the men would be suspicious of how she knew who to vote for. Even in the worst case scenario, "I was paranoid, I knew you weren't getting any votes, I wanted to be able to knowledgeably pick a side if I was actually the swing vote and I knew you wouldn't hold it against me" wouldn't make someone an immediate target in my eyes, especially if he's someone I've gotten close to in the first three days.
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Sep 25, 2014 23:34
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They could easily spin this is as Val voting for Baylor, especially since she's been all weird and dumb anyway.
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How tall is John Rocker?  Maybe the rest of his team is just short. I was almost expecting him to just reach up and untie those bags at the challenge.
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xbilkis posted:I don't think Baylor has any reason to turn on Josh for the wonky vote, at least not in the short run. He can sell it as a way to hide the fact that they're tight - if it was clear that one woman had flipped, the other women would be mad at her and the men would be suspicious of how she knew who to vote for. But that's just it, Josh can't sell it as a way to hide that they are tight because Baylor can't vote for herself. I feel like it actually outs Josh/Baylor as a pair despite Josh actually voting for Baylor. I don't think Baylor turns on Josh because of the vote, but I think everyone else will feel like they can't trust Josh. The other guys were all voting for Nadiya and the girls (minus Baylor) were voting for Dale, but Josh didn't do either, so he isn't part of the team and that is going to put a target on his back. Honestly, it would have been better if he had just voted for Nadiya and said 'Hey, I didn't like her weird stereotype of me being 'one of the girls' just because I'm gay.' But I guess that would be throwing Baylor under the bus.
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hollylolly posted:How tall is John Rocker?  : Need a little help? : Yes, thank you.**Grabs the person and rockets them to the moon**
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hollylolly posted:How tall is John Rocker? If you go by the official CBS cast photo he's one of the shorter men playing this season:  Quite obviously 2 (or more?) photos patched together, it's always weird when professional production companies produce such glaringly shoddy and low-effort work. If Rocker's 6'5" the surfer dude bros are about 8 feet tall LOL. Binary Logic fucked around with this message at 10:12 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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xbilkis posted:Did John say his last name is Wetteland? As in, John Wetteland, another professional baseball relief pitcher?? I think this was a pre-planned answer. If you can't quite remember him but know he's associated with MLB during that time period, this may actually help hide his identity. He could have been an easy first boot and no one would have felt bad about it if he was outed before the first Tribal Council.
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Rocker is listed at 6'4 which makes me think no other man out there is taller than 5 foot because he absolutely towers over everyone.
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Binary Logic posted:If you go by the official CBS cast photo he's one of the shorter men playing this season: I think he's just the furthest person from the camera so he looks shorter.
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Met posted:I think this was a pre-planned answer. If you can't quite remember him but know he's associated with MLB during that time period, this may actually help hide his identity.
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Binary Logic posted:If you go by the official CBS cast photo he's one of the shorter men playing this season: It's looks like it's been photoshopped. Which makes sense if they had to remove the pair that got medically removed.
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sportsgenius86 posted:I think he's just the furthest person from the camera so he looks shorter. Plus I don't think that ground is perfectly level and Rocker is on a slight downhill.
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that one guy posted:I'm pretty sure he said Wesley, as in the 1700s preacher. I'd bet it wasn't a preplanned alias and it popped out. He definitely said Wetteland, he even spelled it (incorrectly, IIRC), which was the second-funniest moment in the entire episode. The funniest? Wes: "What's your last name?" Rocker: "Wetteland." Wes: "...are you sure?  ?"
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Poque posted:He definitely said Wetteland, he even spelled it (incorrectly, IIRC), which was the second-funniest moment in the entire episode. Yeah he spelled it "Wetland". Interesting strategy to impersonate a lesser known relief pitcher and then closer from approximately the same time frame.
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Sep 26, 2014 15:48
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My favourite moment of the episode was the guy running at top speed on his hands and knees through the immunity challenge. I had to pause and go back cause I thought a howler monkey had snuck into the shot.
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I'm guessing John Wetteland didn't go around saying a bunch of racist and homophobic bullshit. I know very little about MLB but even I remember John Rocker being an rear end in a top hat. Edit: Anyone have a gif of ^^^? I missed it somehow. 
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Overdrift posted:My favourite moment of the episode was the guy running at top speed on his hands and knees through the immunity challenge. I had to pause and go back cause I thought a howler monkey had snuck into the shot.
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Sep 26, 2014 17:11
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If John Rocker seriously went in planning to pretend to be an obscure pitcher instead of himself, I don't know whether to give him credit for planning ahead or to criticize him for being so stupid as to think he needs to pretend he's not John Rocker. I think people who know Rocker's reputation know what he looks like and won't be fooled by his ploy. And yes, that guy running under the things in the immunity challenge was exactly like a horror movie.
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Remember guys, John Rocker was the inspiration for Kenny Powers. Next you think, "man that was a stupid idea" just think of Danny McBride doing it as Powers and then it should all make a little more sense. Hide yourself as another MLB pitcher? Yeah, sure, brilliant. Watch this documentary about John Rocker and it should explain everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJKe0lmL2I
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DaisyDanger posted:I'm guessing John Wetteland didn't go around saying a bunch of racist and homophobic bullshit. I know very little about MLB but even I remember John Rocker being an rear end in a top hat. No gif, but here's a video. It's terrifying.
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Haha, that's incredible. I'm pretty sure it's Jon based on the clothes, too. Edit: Tada!  I think the gif is running faster than the video so it's extra creepy now. DaisyDanger fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Sep 26, 2014 |
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Caught the first episode on PVR last night. I was impressed that they spent time with each of the teams individually in the beginning. That made a great first impression on me. Did the first Blood vs Water season begin that way as well? I didn't start watching it until post-merge when Colton was gone.
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that one guy posted:If John Rocker seriously went in planning to pretend to be an obscure pitcher instead of himself, I don't know whether to give him credit for planning ahead or to criticize him for being so stupid as to think he needs to pretend he's not John Rocker. I think people who know Rocker's reputation know what he looks like and won't be fooled by his ploy. It's an even better plan than Gary Hogeboom pretending to be Gary Hawkins, a landscaper who went to the exact same college at the exact same time and was on the football team but definitely isn't Gary Hogeboom.
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Huge Liability posted:Caught the first episode on PVR last night. I was impressed that they spent time with each of the teams individually in the beginning. That made a great first impression on me. Did the first Blood vs Water season begin that way as well? I didn't start watching it until post-merge when Colton was gone. Yes they had that in the first BvW. It's really important to allow the "normal" viewers (that dont watch the cast videos, read bios etc.) to see who is a pair.
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Not really feeling this cast so far. I hoped we'd see the Twinnies stick around a while being hyperaggressive and driving everyone nuts. It's a drat shame to see one go home so early. I sorta like Jeremy and Val even if they're making tons of obvious mistakes. Everyone else felt pretty bland and uninteresting. Hopefully in the next couple episodes we see a couple interesting personalities emerge.
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The premiere was weirdly sterile. I feel like we didn't see any meaningful interactions within the tribes, just lots of solo stories and talking about their loved ones. We didn't even know about the gendered alliances until right before Tribal Council. The cast is okay, they are a bit bland but seem pleasant enough. It's unclear if anyone has the brains or conviction to actually do anything strategically interesting though. In that sense, it reminds me a lot of the BB16 cast which is not a good thing at all. Val is the only standout to me so far. I don't necessarily think she is playing well, but it takes guts to come into a tribe of strangers on Day 3 and organize an almost successful counter-alliance within hours and not even get any votes. I know there was a bit of luck involved, but it was the closest thing anyone did to *doing* something interesting the entire episode.
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