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IceAgeComing posted:Is there any correlation between those states that have stepped up spending to try and block marriage equality despite the appeals and those with significant state-wide offices up for election this year? It seems like the perfect way that Republican-led states could do something to encourage turnout from their base...
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South Carolina Supreme Court blocked the same sex marriage applications in Charleston yesterday pending a court case at the 4th Circuit. http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20141009/PC1610/141009407/1177
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Is it safe to say that the modus operandi of states in the 4th circuit is "We know how this court case is going to go, but gently caress you we're taking it to court anyway"?
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Oct 9, 2014 22:03
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And funnel $1.5m to NOM by hiring their board chairman as counsel.
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Oct 9, 2014 22:10
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Grundulum posted:Is it safe to say that the modus operandi of states in the 4th circuit is "We know how this court case is going to go, but gently caress you we're taking it to court anyway"? If you're going to go down, might as well go down kicking and screaming, I guess.  CapnAndy posted:A fairly negative one, actually. Tom Corbett shut right the gently caress up about marriage equality and let the Pennsylvania decision stand unchallenged because he was already facing a long road to hoe and didn't want to make things worse for himself by going after a political loser like that. (He was hilariously doomed anyway, but the fact that even a prime Club For Growth rear end in a top hat was like 'haha NOPE' is very telling.) Public opinion on same sex marriage has shifted significantly in the past decade and the Republicans are finally catching on to that. The hardline Repubs will growl over the inaction but will still vote full Republican anyway because it's better than supporting those dirty liberals. On the flipside crusading against same sex marriage won't win any conservative votes they weren't already going to get anyway, but will chase a lot of people on the fence into the Democratic camp.
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Oct 9, 2014 22:45
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Grundulum posted:Is it safe to say that the modus operandi of states in the 4th circuit is "We know how this court case is going to go, but gently caress you we're taking it to court anyway"? If they gave up the ghost now it might hurt turnout in 3 1/2 weeks and that'll make baby Jesus sad.
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comes along bort posted:If they gave up the ghost now it might hurt turnout in 3 1/2 weeks and that'll make baby Jesus sad. Oh and what, cause only a R+21 margin instead of a R+25? This is South Carolina, they are going to drag it out as long as possible just to be assholes because they still have one hell of a chip on their shoulder about being told what to do.
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Shifty Pony posted:Oh and what, cause only a R+21 margin instead of a R+25? This is South Carolina, they are going to drag it out as long as possible just to be assholes because they still have one hell of a chip on their shoulder about being told what to do. It'll make for an effective primary attack though. You're forgetting SC is the state where the Dem candidate for governor, who only lost by 4 last time, sealed his fate the other day by saying the confederate flag on the state house should be taken down. Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Oct 10, 2014 00:31
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A federal judge just issued an injunction in Nevada, so marriage is official there now. 27 down, 23 to go!
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comes along bort posted:It'll make for an effective primary attack though. I hate this state so much . Hahaha Charelston is saying gently caress the state and issuing licenses anyway, at least the Herald said they were this morning. A. Beaverhausen fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Oct 10, 2014 01:24
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Grundulum posted:Is it safe to say that the modus operandi of states in the 4th circuit is "We know how this court case is going to go, but gently caress you we're taking it to court anyway"? Do you mean currently? Cuz Maryland already legalized on its own and Virginia and West Virginia have both accepted the decision and are either already issuing licenses or will start shortly. So it's just NC and SC in it that are being assholes, and they're pretty much always assholes.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Do you mean currently? Cuz Maryland already legalized on its own and Virginia and West Virginia have both accepted the decision and are either already issuing licenses or will start shortly. Well, Virginia didn't have a choice -- they were the appeal that was denied cert by the Supreme Court. Like you said, Maryland already had same-sex marriage. That leaves NC, SC, and WV that had the option to delay things. Like that old song goes, "two out of three ain't bad".
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In NC it's more complicated. The state's official view via the AG's office is that the 4th circuit decision is binding on the state, which the district judge has all but said outright is his opinion as well. The NOM guy hired by Tillis and Berger has until noon tomorrow to file a complete motion to intervene, and that's after the judge rejected their request for an extension until the 17th, so this might all be over tomorrow, though probably not.
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comes along bort posted:In NC it's more complicated. The state's official view via the AG's office is that the 4th circuit decision is binding on the state, which the district judge has all but said outright is his opinion as well. The judge will rule against Tillis et al, and order NC to issue marriage licenses immediately, possibly while chastising them for wasting the court's time in attempting to delay what any lawyer should know is a complete case. Or more likely, the judge will summarily dismiss Tillis' whining.
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Is the judge allowed to order a lawyer/firm to return fees paid? If what someone said upthread is true, and public funds were paid to the lawyers, it seems more and more like this is merely a way for Tillis to channel money to his friends/supporters. Since all parties involved know what the result would be.
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Grundulum posted:Is the judge allowed to order a lawyer/firm to return fees paid? If what someone said upthread is true, and public funds were paid to the lawyers, it seems more and more like this is merely a way for Tillis to channel money to his friends/supporters. Since all parties involved know what the result would be. As a nc taxpayer Id like to know this as well because it is SUCH A WASTE OF MONEY. please just give that 1.5 mil to the teachers whose salaries you slashed or to schools who have zero budget and overcrowding.
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Teddybear posted:The judge will rule against Tillis et al, and order NC to issue marriage licenses immediately, possibly while chastising them for wasting the court's time in attempting to delay what any lawyer should know is a complete case. Yeah I'm hoping for a good gently caress you and the horse you rode in on in judge Osteen's decision. Or at the very least a terse reply laughing their weak poo poo out of court. Though I guess we already got that in his refusal to extend the deadline when he told them they had a whole year to get their poo poo together.
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Abandon ship!quote:Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee says he will leave the GOP if Republicans abandon their ardent opposition to gay marriage and abortion.
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And thus the "Go Back to Africa" party was born. GBtA Party FAQ: What is the party's position on gay marriage? Gross and should be illegal. See the Bible for more information, it's in there somewhere I think. Is abortion a critical topic for this election season? Absolutely. If a woman has time to go to the doctor at all, then they're not being properly submissive to their husband. Wait, isn't "Go Back to Africa" extremely racist. No. Last updated June 5th, 1858. Please contact josh420@aol.com with site related queries.
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Can we get a translation of what the ballot would say? Because this article does a good job of making it confusing.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Abandon ship! Oh my god I want gay marriage to fracture the right so badly. I want this to be a period of history we look back at and go 'so after years and years of fighting basic human rights for an oppressed minority the republicans finally gave up and sighed and said 'yea whatever' when it became clear they had zero support left for it, and still somehow a good chunk of insane bigots got super mad and split off for a while'.
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Give me a loving break, Huckabee. You ain't goin' nowhere. This is just a little baby throwing a tantrum before his afternoon nap and diaper changing. Nobody's fooled at this whole "Independent" bullshit. O'Reilly pulls that card but we all know he's a total Republican. Is Independent the latest GOP rebranding, a la Tea Partier and Libertarian?
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Can we get a translation of what the ballot would say? Because this article does a good job of making it confusing. Yes, yes it did. This is how I interpreted it: -There had previously been a civil rights ordinance passed by the city council -group is all like "but gays are icky!" and petitioned to have a vote on the ballot to repeal said ordinance -the anti-civil rights folks want the language to be that a "for" vote would be for the repeal, against the ordinance, and an "against" vote would be against the repeal, for the ordinance -city council said that is confusing and just want it to read as a "for" vote meaning for the civil rights ordinance, an "against" vote against it -looks like county election commission is siding with anti-civil rights folks
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Abandon ship! If I'm not mistaken Huckabee lives up in the bubble of New York and has for many years now considering that's where his show is taped. Get out Huckabee, before the RINOvirus infects you too! 
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Huckabee and Santorum are exactly the kind of crazies who would be petty enough to take their ball and go to a new home just because their old home doesn't want to segregate gays as much anymore.
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Chris James 2 posted:Huckabee and Santorum are exactly the kind of crazies who would be petty enough to take their ball and go to a new home just because their old home doesn't want to segregate gays as much anymore. If any evangelicals want to emigrate to Uganda to be with the people who think like them, more power to them.
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Chadderbox posted:If any evangelicals want to emigrate to Uganda to be with the people who think like them, more power to them. Back to Africa, indeed.
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HappyKitty posted:Back to Africa, indeed.
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Oh Brian Brown, your tears are getting better and better.quote:"This is not democracy: it is judicial tyranny. We need to actnow! Please take a moment immediately to contact Congress and demand support for an amendment to the Constitution of the United States that will preserve and protect marriage as the union of one man and one woman! Legislative efforts to amend our Constitution to protect marriage are already underway. In the House, this initiative is being led by Representative Tim Huelskamp of Kansas. In the Senate, it is being spearheaded by Senator Ted Cruz of Texas. Marriage Supporter, I'll say it plainly: marriage is on the ropes, and our principles of government are taking a beating as well. That's why I need you to ACT NOW and DEMAND action from Congress to put a halt to the legal chaos that has been thrust upon us by the radical same-sex marriage' movement."
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Russia would be more appealing, as it is a conservative wet dream. Russia still tolerates slatternly women. Huckabee would be more at home in ISIS.
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Ninjasaurus posted:Give me a loving break, Huckabee. You ain't goin' nowhere. This is just a little baby throwing a tantrum before his afternoon nap and diaper changing. Nobody's fooled at this whole "Independent" bullshit. O'Reilly pulls that card but we all know he's a total Republican. Is Independent the latest GOP rebranding, a la Tea Partier and Libertarian? It has been the new branding since at least the beginning of the Tea Party. "I'm not a republican I'm a conservative" is not uncommon to hear from the far right and conservative isn't a recognized affiliation in many states so they register independent.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Oh Brian Brown, your tears are getting better and better. wouldn't a constitutional amendment have to get past both the house and the senate? And doesn't it have to pass a 2/3 majority vote? Someone correct me if I am wrong, but if that is true wouldn't it be impossible for them to pass such an amendment?
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gatesealer posted:wouldn't a constitutional amendment have to get past both the house and the senate? And doesn't it have to pass a 2/3 majority vote? Someone correct me if I am wrong, but if that is true wouldn't it be impossible for them to pass such an amendment? Yes but the act of trying to get one passed is a big hunk of red meat to the base who still get a chubby over this issue. It's the same reason that they tried to repeal Obamacare so many times. It was doomed to fail but they could tell the hicks in their district that "they tried".
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gatesealer posted:wouldn't a constitutional amendment have to get past both the house and the senate? And doesn't it have to pass a 2/3 majority vote? Someone correct me if I am wrong, but if that is true wouldn't it be impossible for them to pass such an amendment? NOM is dreaming of nationwide constitutional conventions that demand and ratify an amendment. Makes for good marketing.
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gatesealer posted:wouldn't a constitutional amendment have to get past both the house and the senate? And doesn't it have to pass a 2/3 majority vote? Someone correct me if I am wrong, but if that is true wouldn't it be impossible for them to pass such an amendment? They've tried in the past. By all means, try it again, guys. I'm sure it'll work this time.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:It has been the new branding since at least the beginning of the Tea Party. "I'm not a republican I'm a conservative" is not uncommon to hear from the far right and conservative isn't a recognized affiliation in many states so they register independent. This is exactly how my dad reconciles his political views with the abject failures of the Bush administration. "The problem is Bush was a Republican, not a conservative like me. Conservatism could never fail." *votes straight-ticket GOP for 50 years*
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Nereid posted:As a nc taxpayer Id like to know this as well because it is SUCH A WASTE OF MONEY. please just give that 1.5 mil to the teachers whose salaries you slashed or to schools who have zero budget and overcrowding.
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Chris James 2 posted:Huckabee and Santorum are exactly the kind of crazies who would be petty enough to take their ball and go to a new home just because their old home doesn't want to segregate gays as much anymore. Don't forget that Huckabee was held up as the 'sane' Republican when he first ran for president. The conclusion? gently caress Republicans. The Macaroni posted:2/3 of Congress, and 3/4 of state legislatures or state ratifying conventions. (Wikipedia) This will never happen because my understanding is that once you call a convention, everything is on the table. You can't just limit it to a single issue. I'm not sure whether I should be laughing or really loving afraid if it ever happens. Pohl fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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