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InequalityGodzilla: May 31, 2012

My Imaginary GF posted:

Joe Biden: Basically Clinton, minus Hillary

Can you imagine a Bill/Biden presidency? Billden? It would have been the bro-iest 8 years.

Lote posted:

Biden learned early in his Senatorial career about the three free kills.

I had to look it up but goddamn, man.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 04:48

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# ? May 19, 2024 14:50

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Cat Face Joe posted:

2100 new posts in a week. Give me a run down of what I should be mad about.

The fact that having a governor to veto proposed redistricting is much more important than funding all campaigns in a state; if you can win all the competitive districts and prevent veto-proof majorities, your party will win enough in compromises that the next redistricting cycle could go your way.

2040: Looking up for Democrats!

InequalityGodzilla posted:

Can you imagine a Bill/Biden presidency? Billden? It would have been the bro-iest 8 years.

I had to look it up but goddamn, man.

Bill/Biden is a name the south could vote for. And hey, lets be fair, Biden knew he'd used his three kills, a lesson which Kennedy never learnt.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 04:48

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Tatum Girlparts posted:

Warren's pretty far from one too.

Not by American standards. :colbert:

# ? Nov 13, 2014 05:11

Cliff Racer: Mar 24, 2007; by Lowtax

Maarek posted:

It also ignores that thousands of Democrats voted for George W Bush in Florida, but pointing out that thousands of their own voters defected to Bush does not push the narrative that you have to vote for the donkey every 2 years or you will wake up in a Margaret Atwood novel.

That's a garbage argument, those people were largely Dixiecrats and would have been voting Republican regardless of how Gore ran his campaign. Significantly less garbage is pointing out how he lost his own state, a place that should have, in theory, liked his policies since they were fine with him enacting them while governor.

edit: Well gently caress, other people already said all this stuff.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 05:11

Jerry Manderbilt: May 31, 2012; No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

I have no idea how accurate this is, but years ago I read on another forum that come 2000, Tennesseans had come to see Gore as a Washington liberal instead of the blue dog they'd elected as senator.

Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Nov 13, 2014

# ? Nov 13, 2014 05:13

The Warszawa: Jun 6, 2005; Look at me. Look at me.

I am the captain now.

Cliff Racer posted:

That's a garbage argument, those people were largely Dixiecrats and would have been voting Republican regardless of how Gore ran his campaign. Significantly less garbage is pointing out how he lost his own state, a place that should have, in theory, liked his policies since they were fine with him enacting them while governor.

edit: Well gently caress, other people already said all this stuff.

I thought Gore was a Congressman and a Senator, not a governor.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 05:14

Mo_Steel: Mar 7, 2008; Let's Clock Into The Sunset Together; Fun Shoe

Accretionist posted:

In news that doesn't make me want to kill myself:

Nice!

The really cool thing is that SNAP has been angling towards a new focus on incentivization like this for a while. They just wrapped up a Healthy Incentives Pilot program:

quote:

The Healthy Incentives Pilot (HIP) tested a way of making fruits and vegetables more affordable for participants in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP). Under HIP, SNAP participants received a financial incentive for purchasing fruits and vegetables. For every dollar of SNAP benefits they spent on targeted fruits and vegetables (TFVs) at participating retailers, SNAP households received a 30-cent incentive on their SNAP Electronic Benefit Transfer (EBT) card. The incentive could be spent on any SNAP-eligible foods and beverages.

Buy certain fruits or vegetables, get 30% back to spend on anything else covered by SNAP, effectively reducing the cost of fruits and vegetables. The results?

quote:

HIP increased fruit and vegetable consumption of pilot participants. HIP participants consumed almost a quarter of a cup more targeted fruits and vegetables than non-HIP participants. This 26 percent increase in consumption over non-HIP participants is both statistically significant and large enough to be nutritionally relevant.

HIP impacts were not affected by the presence of children in the household, employment status, age, or amount of the household�s SNAP benefit. Some evidence indicated that impacts were larger for households who before HIP had more positive attitudes about fruits and vegetables.

HIP households spent more SNAP benefits than non-HIP households on targeted fruits and vegetables in participating supermarkets and superstores�$ 12.05 versus $10.86 each month�an increase of $1.19 or 11 percent. HIP households earned average incentives of $3.65 each month. Average monthly purchases of targeted fruits and vegetables by HIP households were similar throughout the pilot and were less than originally anticipated.

According to self-reports, HIP households spent $78.17 each month on all fruits and vegetables in all types of stores and with cash as well as SNAP benefits. In contrast, non-HIP households reported spending $72.02 each month, which was $6.15 (or 8.5 percent) less than spending reported by HIP households.

HIP participants clearly responded to the price incentive and used their SNAP benefits to purchase more targeted fruits and vegetables. However, the amount of TFVs they purchased with their SNAP benefits in HIP participating stores was insufficient to account for their entire increased intake. This suggests that HIP affected consumption through other mechanisms as well, such as informational and attitudinal effects, and may also suggest an incomplete understanding of how the pilot worked.

Seems to work pretty well.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 05:26

ComradeCosmobot: Dec 4, 2004; USPOL July

Mo_Steel posted:

The really cool thing is that SNAP has been angling towards a new focus on incentivization like this for a while. They just wrapped up a Healthy Incentives Pilot program:

Buy certain fruits or vegetables, get 30% back to spend on anything else covered by SNAP, effectively reducing the cost of fruits and vegetables. The results?

Seems to work pretty well.

"But but but GOVERNMENT SPENDING! TRYING TO TELL US WHAT WE CAN EAT!"

I don't see how this will last in a Republican Congress.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 05:31

Chokes McGee: Aug 7, 2008; This is Urotsuki.

Cat Face Joe posted:

2100 new posts in a week. Give me a run down of what I should be mad about.

Everything.

There, ya caught up now.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 05:32

Islam is the Lite Rock FM: Jul 27, 2007; by exmarx

Be mad you can only fit so much whiskey in your mouth at once.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 05:33

chairface: Oct 28, 2007; No matter what you believe, I don't believe in you.

DemeaninDemon posted:

Be mad you can only fit so much whiskey in your mouth at once.

Pretty much my status since '00.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 05:54

Nintendo Kid: Aug 4, 2011; by Smythe

Grouchio posted:

What are the chances that the oligarchs will never truly lose power? Are we headed towards a short-term dystopia?

Well, who exactly are you claiming are the oligarchs? Because I can tell you for sure, you're probably not going to get some guys and gals scraping by on $35k a year into the presidency and a majority of congressional seats anytime soon, they kinda can't afford to campaign so much.

Accretionist posted:

In news that doesn't make me want to kill myself:

Nice!

The funny thing is that this is what food stamps were originally for, in the Depression. The poor would be given them and most of the excess produce local farmers couldn't sell due to the depression cost half or less as much with the stamps, while other things were full price.

Grouchio posted:

How likely will net neutrality survive now that Obama's behind it?

There has never been a threat to net neutrality to begin with, there's too much money in keeping it as it is.

I assume you're talking about Republicans passing a law banning net neutrality or something - they can't do that, there's nothing they could legally do to destroy net neutrality.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 06:17

Chamale: Jul 11, 2010; I'm helping!

InequalityGodzilla posted:

Can you imagine a Bill/Biden presidency? Billden? It would have been the bro-iest 8 years.

"My vice-president did not have sexual relations with that woman, or that one, or that one, or that man..."

# ? Nov 13, 2014 06:18

ReindeerF: Apr 20, 2002; Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

Chamale posted:

"My vice-president did not have sexual relations with that woman, or that one, or that one, or that man..."

"Champ, I says, Champ, you gotta keep your pecker in your pocket. For now, God bless her, we gotta call that sweet intern and apologize for the love of Christ. Here, let me dial..."

:dials Hillary:

# ? Nov 13, 2014 08:20

Cliff Racer: Mar 24, 2007; by Lowtax

The Warszawa posted:

I thought Gore was a Congressman and a Senator, not a governor.

Hmm, you're probably right. But that only makes it worse for him, granted he spent 8 years as VP while Tennessee's politics were rapidly changing.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 08:33

Kalman: Jan 17, 2010

Nintendo Kid posted:

There has never been a threat to net neutrality to begin with, there's too much money in keeping it as it is.

I assume you're talking about Republicans passing a law banning net neutrality or something - they can't do that, there's nothing they could legally do to destroy net neutrality.

I mean, they could pass a law barring the FCC from implementing any neutrality rule makings.

It wouldn't matter since there's essentially zero commercial reason to implement any of the parade of anti neutral horribles people like to bring up, but they could pass it.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 09:27

Pirate Radar: Apr 18, 2008; You're not my Ruthie!
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Chokes McGee posted:

Everything.

There, ya caught up now.

Well, everything except ethics in video game journalism.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 10:58

baw: Nov 5, 2008; RESIDENT: LAISSEZ FAIR-SNEZHNEVSKY INSTITUTE FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY

Does anyone have any good reading (articles or books) about the evolution of convention rules since WWW2? Things used to be quite a bit more entertaining in the 60s and 70s but also circuses so I can see why they changed rules but I'd like to know more about the process.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 14:10

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

Mo_Steel posted:

The really cool thing is that SNAP has been angling towards a new focus on incentivization like this for a while. They just wrapped up a Healthy Incentives Pilot program:

Buy certain fruits or vegetables, get 30% back to spend on anything else covered by SNAP, effectively reducing the cost of fruits and vegetables. The results?

Seems to work pretty well.

There was a sign in my grocery store the other day about how starting in a week or two they were switching the SNAP eligible foods from 2% milk to 1%, which I thought was interesting.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 14:35

loquacius: Oct 21, 2008

From a couple pages ago, but

Joementum posted:

Ted Cruz is not the only never-getting-nominated Presidential candidate with some thoughts on the series of tubes.

Warning: don't try to think too hard about how net neutrality is at all like the fairness doctrine. Donald didn't.

How in the gently caress can anybody see "all data must be treated equally" and think "this will target conservative media"? What will it be targeted with? The very nature of the idea is that data can't be "targeted" at all. That would be non-neutral. What is in these people's heads :psyduck:

# ? Nov 13, 2014 15:04

Nintendo Kid: Aug 4, 2011; by Smythe

loquacius posted:

From a couple pages ago, but

How in the gently caress can anybody see "all data must be treated equally" and think "this will target conservative media"? What will it be targeted with? The very nature of the idea is that data can't be "targeted" at all. That would be non-neutral. What is in these people's heads

Many of them don't understand that they've been living under the "tyranny of net neutrality" since day one of the public internet.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 15:14

Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

Drones are being used to patrol half the US-Mexico border

# ? Nov 13, 2014 15:18

pangstrom: Jan 25, 2003; Wedge Regret

Re: Cruz, pretty sure "Obama came out for Net Neutrality, so gently caress that" is at least three quarters of it.

Fried Chicken posted:

Drones are being used to patrol half the US-Mexico border

I don't know, as long as they don't have payloads and it's cheaper than the equivalent # of border guards this doesn't bother me much.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 15:34

Elephant Ambush: Nov 13, 2012; ...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?; Nap Ghost

loquacius posted:

From a couple pages ago, but

How in the gently caress can anybody see "all data must be treated equally" and think "this will target conservative media"? What will it be targeted with? The very nature of the idea is that data can't be "targeted" at all. That would be non-neutral. What is in these people's heads

The same reason that they think of allowing gay marriage as "special treatment". They are completely (and willfully) ignorant about, well, everything.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 15:34

Eggplant Squire: Aug 14, 2003

They've been against Net Neutrality for a while. I remember hearing my mom bitching about it a few years ago and she knows literally nothing about technology. Of course she had picked it up from Rush Limbaugh.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 15:39

Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

pangstrom posted:

I don't know, as long as they don't have payloads and it's cheaper than the equivalent # of border guards this doesn't bother me much.

The fact that they keep doing this after UT-Austin students have hijacked them gives me rather more pause

# ? Nov 13, 2014 15:40

ReindeerF: Apr 20, 2002; Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

pangstrom posted:

I don't know, as long as they don't have payloads and it's cheaper than the equivalent # of border guards this doesn't bother me much.

Same. Hell, even if it costs more but makes fewer lives more dangerous or miserable I'm okay.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 15:40

mdemone: Mar 14, 2001

ReindeerF posted:

Same. Hell, even if it costs more but makes fewer lives more dangerous or miserable I'm okay.

I guess if we're just bound and goddamn determined to hyper-secure the border, then this is probably the least bad way to do it.

But I'm sure in a few months we'll hear about a Predator drone sniping some little girl from Guatemala because she waved a flower at it.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 15:41

ReidRansom: Oct 25, 2004

Fried Chicken posted:

The fact that they keep doing this after UT-Austin students have hijacked them gives me rather more pause

I would like to assume they've patched that vulnerability by now, but defense contracting being what it is, who knows.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 15:44

ReindeerF: Apr 20, 2002; Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

mdemone posted:

I guess if we're just bound and goddamn determined to hyper-secure the border, then this is probably the least bad way to do it.

But I'm sure in a few months we'll hear about a Predator drone sniping some little girl from Guatemala because she waved a flower at it.

I'm guessing armed border drones is going to be a bridge too far for a while, but who knows. Ideally it will result in some accidental minuteman deaths at least.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 15:45

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

mdemone posted:

I guess if we're just bound and goddamn determined to hyper-secure the border, then this is probably the least bad way to do it.

But I'm sure in a few months we'll hear about a Predator drone sniping some little girl from Guatemala because she waved a flower at it.

No, that'll just be the drones we lend to Mexico to patrol their borders.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 15:46

Pythagoras a trois: Feb 19, 2004; I have a lot of points to make and I will make them later.

Fried Chicken posted:

Drones are being used to patrol half the US-Mexico border

Well this was pretty much inevitable.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 15:51

Fried Chicken: Jan 9, 2011; Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

ReidRansom posted:

I would like to assume they've patched that vulnerability by now, but defense contracting being what it is, who knows.

The students did it over 2 years after Iran did it the same way, so I doubt it.

On the topic of border monitoring, I do remember reading in 2006 (was that when Bush tried his push for it?). About a bar in Australia whose thing was they had the TVs set up showing live streams of webcams set up along the border and watched for crossings. First one to spot one and call it in to the American border patrol got some bar gift (a free beer or something, I forget the exact details)

Funny world we live in

# ? Nov 13, 2014 15:52

Cat Face Joe: Feb 20, 2005; goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes

DemeaninDemon posted:

Be mad you can only fit so much whiskey in your mouth at once.

Goin with this one. Thanks, everyone.

Chantilly Say posted:

Well, everything except ethics in video game journalism.

Given no fuks about this.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 16:05

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

Zeno-25 posted:

You'll have your Tuscan Collards and you'll like them better that way, too!

That's a different kind of kale.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 16:31

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

Joementum posted:

I missed a great one from the end of last week. "When an administration says 'no,' it's no different than when Andrew Jackson marched Indians down the Trail of Tears, to their death. The fact is, the government will obey the administration's orders, if there isn't somebody to say 'Hold it, stop!'" ~ Darrell Issa, on the Benghazi investigation.

Well I didn't miss it because I posted it!

# ? Nov 13, 2014 16:44

Warcabbit: Apr 26, 2008; Wedge Regret

effectual posted:

That's a different kind of kale.

A lighter shade of kale?

# ? Nov 13, 2014 16:48

OAquinas: Jan 27, 2008; Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

Fried Chicken posted:

The students did it over 2 years after Iran did it the same way, so I doubt it.

On the topic of border monitoring, I do remember reading in 2006 (was that when Bush tried his push for it?). About a bar in Australia whose thing was they had the TVs set up showing live streams of webcams set up along the border and watched for crossings. First one to spot one and call it in to the American border patrol got some bar gift (a free beer or something, I forget the exact details)

Funny world we live in

Australia would have a "stop the immigrant" bar game. They still running that ~~concentration~~ internment camp for people trying to raft over?

# ? Nov 13, 2014 17:01

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

OAquinas posted:

Australia would have a "stop the immigrant" bar game. They still running that ~~concentration~~ internment camp for people trying to raft over?

I think they just let them sink now. Australian 'Survivor'

# ? Nov 13, 2014 17:03

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Sulphagnist: Oct 10, 2006; WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

baw posted:

Does anyone have any good reading (articles or books) about the evolution of convention rules since WWW2? Things used to be quite a bit more entertaining in the 60s and 70s but also circuses so I can see why they changed rules but I'd like to know more about the process.

I have no idea what level of reading you want and whether you've already read it but Nixonland has a hundred pages or so on various convention shenanigans, and it's also a good book about the 60s.

# ? Nov 13, 2014 17:04

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