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Jackson Taus posted:Yeah, see, my problem with this logic is where the heck do all the liberals come from in this scenario? We're not currently in an era of one-party dominance anywhere near what caused the realignments like 1968 or 1932. If Democrats had won in 2010 and 2014 I'd 100% buy this, but as it stands I'm skeptical that the Democrats could split and remain viable. It remains to be seen whether the "Obama Coalition" will actually show up in a non-Presidential year (or for a white Presidential candidate). If you think we were in an era of one party dominance in 1968 you're incredibly naive. Kennedy won by literally the slimmest of margins in 1960 and while LBJ won comfortably in 1964, by 68 everyone was in shambles. The New Deal also really wasn't a realignment because it heavily depended on Dixiecrats to support their policies, and even then said Dixiecrats often made it difficult or impossible to extend those programs to minorities. Parallel Paraplegic posted:Which young people are you talking about, the ones that notoriously don't loving vote? Young people don't stay young forever.
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computer parts posted:Young people don't stay young forever. I, a cynical young person disillusioned with the modern world, who grew up in a dysfunctional USA where "not getting things done" and "basically being the Empire from Star Wars to the rest of the world" are the norms, am purely anecdotally 100% sure that most of the rest of my generation don't give a gently caress and will continue their nihilism forever unless government magically starts working. Which of course won't happen until they vote, which of course won't happen. Honestly that's my "nyeeh my generation's totally smarter than all the previous generations and totally won't follow similar statistical trends as them" whiny opinion not backed up in fact but that's how I see the world right now. Thanks for listening 
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I, a cynical young person disillusioned with the modern world, who grew up in a dysfunctional USA where "not getting things done" and "basically being the Empire from Star Wars to the rest of the world" are the norms, am purely anecdotally 100% sure that most of the rest of my generation don't give a gently caress and will continue their nihilism forever unless government magically starts working. Which of course won't happen until they vote, which of course won't happen. The US has actually been fairly benign the past 6 years. I mean even the past decade we only overthrew one government without international approval.
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Any chance of an EO on amnesty being brought up now as signal its going to be used as a bargaining chip to be taken off the table in budget/government shutdown talks? Or is this just basic electioneering stuff for 2016.
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computer parts posted:The US has actually been fairly benign the past 6 years. I mean even the past decade we only overthrew one government without international approval.
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Ether Drunk posted:Any chance of an EO on amnesty being brought up now as signal its going to be used as a bargaining chip to be taken off the table in budget/government shutdown talks? Or is this just basic electioneering stuff for 2016. Obama is just cementing his empire before the GOP can stop him  Nintendo Kid posted:Even though internet nerds hate it, Comic Sans is actually an extremely legible font, including for people with poor vision or marginal English skills. The letterforms are kept quite distinct and are very easy on the eyes. Can we make this the thread title?
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Ether Drunk posted:Any chance of an EO on amnesty being brought up now as signal its going to be used as a bargaining chip to be taken off the table in budget/government shutdown talks? Or is this just basic electioneering stuff for 2016. Obama's been trying to get immigration through for his whole presidency. He's been talking about forcing things through via executive order for a while and only held of until after the election because the Democratic Senators asked him to. Which appears to have helped them not at all, and I have a feeling would have actually helped them. Republicans are going to vote in midterms while Democrats stay home, actually doing something on immigration might have at least somewhat energized some Democrats to come out and vote. If he does go through with it, he can't bargain it away in a deal with Republicans. The fact that he's already announced more or less what he's going to do also gives very little wiggle room. You can't put out promises like that and then not fulfill them without consequences. Promises in to do a general something you can drop, promises to do a specific thing not so much.
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Sir Tonk posted:Chuck Todd was just asking Carly Fiorina if she was going to run for President. What the hell is going on with the GOP? Do they literally have noone to run in 2016?
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Sir Tonk posted:Can we make this the thread title? Why not, it was good enough for the Higgs Boson announcement.
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Hey! Here's an exciting article! http://america.aljazeera.com/blogs/scrutineer/2014/11/14/voter-purges-alteruspoliticalmap.html quote:Interstate Crosscheck is a computerized system meant to identify fraudulent voters. While Crosscheck’s list of nearly 7 million names of “potential” double voters has yet to unearth, as of this writing, a single illegal vote this year, it did help Republican elections officials scrub voters from registries, enough, it appears, to have swung several important Senate and governor’s races in favor of the GOP.
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I'm still pretty angry that Jon "Why should we cater to those blacks" Husted is still in office after being an unrepentant far-right rear end in a top hat.
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computer parts posted:If you think we were in an era of one party dominance in 1968 you're incredibly naive. Kennedy won by literally the slimmest of margins in 1960 and while LBJ won comfortably in 1964, by 68 everyone was in shambles. The period from 1932-1968 was one-party dominated - yeah Eisenhower won but he was pretty moderate domestically (Democrats originally tried to get him to run as a Dem) and he was a popular war-hero. Obviously 1968 was the endpoint of that era. computer parts posted:The New Deal also really wasn't a realignment because it heavily depended on Dixiecrats to support their policies, and even then said Dixiecrats often made it difficult or impossible to extend those programs to minorities. 1932 was a re-alignment in the sense that from 1864 to 1932, the only Democrats elected as President were (a) Grover Cleveland who won after Hayes was perceived as having stolen the election in the only electoral crisis greater than Bush/Gore, and (b) Woodrow Wilson who only won after a popular former Republican President ran as a Third Party to split the race three ways.
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ReindeerF posted:Did she say, "Only if I can get Meg Whitman to run with me - together we're unstoppable!" Oh man I wish. Throw in Palin, Bachmann, Mia Love, Sharron Angle, and a few others in cabinet positions for the ultimate feminist administration. FAUXTON posted:Why not, it was good enough for the Higgs Boson announcement. The ultimate troll.
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Jackson Taus posted:The period from 1932-1968 was one-party dominated - yeah Eisenhower won but he was pretty moderate domestically (Democrats originally tried to get him to run as a Dem) and he was a popular war-hero. Obviously 1968 was the endpoint of that era. Fun trivia, the last time a Republican won the white house without someone name Nixon or Bush on the ticket was Herbert Hoover in 1928 and Jeb might continue that run in 2016
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computer parts posted:The US has actually been fairly benign the past 6 years. I mean even the past decade we only overthrew one government without international approval. Samurai Sanders posted:I'd say this is one of those "but you gently caress ONE goat..." things. 
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fade5 posted:Assuming you're talking about Libya, they asked for us to help overthrow their government, so it doesn't count. Yeah, I meant Iraq.
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computer parts posted:Yeah, I meant Iraq. And now we're probably going to get dragged back into Iraq to deal with 
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Boon posted:Hey! Here's an exciting article! Haha, jesus christ. This needs to get as much publicity as possible.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Even though internet nerds hate it, Comic Sans is actually an extremely legible font, including for people with poor vision or marginal English skills. The letterforms are kept quite distinct and are very easy on the eyes. I agree; legislation should generally be written in Comic Sans.
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LaughMyselfTo posted:I agree; legislation should generally be written in Comic Sans. Contact your Senator and ask him to support my bill to make ballots available in Comic Sans.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Which young people are you talking about, the ones that notoriously don't loving vote? They will. Everyone gets either gets old or dead.
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Pope Guilty posted:Contact your Senator and ask him to support my bill to make ballots available in Comic Sans. I only vote in Wingdings. It's what Jefferson would have done had Wingdings been developed at the time.
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Gyges posted:I only vote in Wingdings. It's what Jefferson would have done had Wingdings been developed at the time. Don't blame me, I voted for þ◙░ÄÆt│Æ◄┌Ä█Ω4C▌▀╕~Φ╢╕│╦
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computer parts posted:Yeah, I meant Iraq. Well there was also Haiti and the failed revolution in Venezuela in 2002 and I'm sure that certain "America can do no right" folks would talk about the color revolutions. Plus, sort of, Afghanistan which really shouldn't count because we were totally content to leave the Taliban alone until 9/11 happened and the ICU in Somalia which were like the Taliban except they came to power after 9/11 happened and were thus immediately bombed out.
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Accretionist posted:Haha, jesus christ. This needs to get as much publicity as possible. You didn't know that was happening already? Has been ramping up over the last decade.
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effectual posted:You didn't know that was happening already? Has been ramping up over the last decade. I had no idea they'd practically industrialized the process of bullshitting up lists of apparently millions of non-Republicans to purge. Accretionist fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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FAUXTON posted:
"Groundbreaking scientific discovery announced by someone doing the Cornholio thing with their shirt"
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Interesting to note Grimes did several points worse (56.2%-40.7%) than McConnell's 2008 challenger Bruce Lunsford (53%-47%).
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Moody recently left Yahoo for CNN, I think this is his first big piece for them --- How the GOP used Twitter to stretch election laws Republicans and outside groups used anonymous Twitter accounts to share internal polling data ahead of the midterm elections, CNN has learned, a practice that raises questions about whether they violated campaign finance laws that prohibit coordination. -- http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/17/politics/twitter-republicans-outside-groups/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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Eregos posted:Interesting to note Grimes did several points worse (56.2%-40.7%) than McConnell's 2008 challenger Bruce Lunsford (53%-47%). A lot of candidates under-performed drastically this cycle. Wendy Davis, despite her fundraising and ground game, lost by 20 points. When Bill White ran against Gov. Perry in 2010 he lost by around 12 points. I also remember hearing how there was talk that a tactical loss could benefit Grimes, after-all Kentucky does have a Governor's race coming up next year and Beshear is term limited. I don't know how that will play out now that she's lost by such a huge margin.
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He makes me so happy (Bernie Sanders doing his 2 minute pitch on CNN): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNNVD2w0xDk He's getting better at this. Sanders still isn't a serious contender, but when he puts a good face on an actual left wing position in the national dialog the position demands to be taken more seriously (I hope). Also, you'll notice at the end the reporter tries to knock Bernie's "Vermont" accent. He just smiles, in part because it's a friendly jab but also because it's not a Vermont accent. Bernie Sanders was born in Brooklyn, and he's had a Brooklyn accent that has been borderline unintelligible his whole life. Vermonters (and everybody else) just ate it up as a Vermont accent, which sounds similar but is well past the line into unintelligible.
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Toyota's move to Texas (from California) is back in the news! They were banking on 50% employee retention, but it's going to be closer to 30%. It's a real Texas Miracle~~~~
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703 posted:How the GOP used Twitter to stretch election laws Yeah, they're allegedly doing the same thing with data sharing. Cheekio posted:He makes me so happy (Bernie Sanders doing his 2 minute pitch on CNN): I sort of hope that Bernie is more successful at the "move the Overton Window" role than Kucinich et al were in past years. I would think that being a Senator helps, and I imagine it also helps if not a lot of folks run. In a field with 6 center-left folks and 2-3 solid left-wing folks, it's easy for the media to focus on the 6 centrists, but if Hillary clears the field as well as it's looking like she might, we could have a 2015-2016 primary season where Bernie is in 2nd or 3rd place after Hillary, since most of the moderates would sit out to avoid pissing her off and wasting their money.
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Let's have some historical quotes of the day "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual that the use of the drug itself" - Jimmy Carter,1977 "Each of us has a responsibility to be intolerant of drug use anywhere, any time, by anybody" - Nancy Reagan, 1987 With bonus statistic: "Among high school seniors, perception that marihuana [sic] regularly is harmful hit a low of 35 percent in 1978, rising to 70 percent by 1985" Source for all three is The American Disease by David Musto, a book about the ebb and flow of attitudes on drugs through american history and something you should all look into reading
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Scott Walker is going to start drug testing for food stamps . This is illegal (it's a federal program) and unconstitutional (see what happened to Florida) but Scott Walker is one of the most terrible human beings that walks the earth so here we go in case there was still any doubt in your mind, here is further evidence Darren Wilson should never have been trusted with a piece of string, much less a position of authority By the way, when they refuse to indict him he will "immediately" return to service.
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Fried Chicken posted:in case there was still any doubt in your mind, here is further evidence Darren Wilson should never have been trusted with a piece of string, much less a position of authority Don't forget: The KKK was also threatening to violent suppress any riots if they don't indict. Well, Anon went and outed all the known KKK members last week, including a Ferguson Police Officer, and a previous Deputy Chief of Police. http://aattp.org/anonymous-unmasks-racist-kkk-creeps-threatening-lethal-force-against-ferguson-protectors-imagesvideo/ CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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You gotta love anon when it comes to stuff like this. Also: Ferguson police has a tradition of racism? Color me shocked.
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Cheekio posted:He makes me so happy (Bernie Sanders doing his 2 minute pitch on CNN): God I'm waiting for him to tell the CNN hosts "to hell with your fetishization of compromise and bipartisanship for the sake of compromise and bipartisanship, merits or lack thereof of each side be damned".
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