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Although 'Aboriginal' is still almost universally said in welcomes to/acknowledgements of country IME so that's kind of weird.
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ewe2 posted:I have an aboriginal friend, I've always said Koorie with him, he's happy with that. Some aren't though; I do say indigenous because in some states they hate Koorie. I'm in the same boat with Koori.
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Nov 21, 2014 01:00
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-20/crabb-keeping-bunnies-in-a-basket-in-the-senate/5905656 Why would you write an article like this after the defeat of FOFA? Annabel Crabb is a complete moron.
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Nov 21, 2014 01:00
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Splode posted:Why would indigenous or aboriginal not be ok? I thought first peoples or first nations was an american thing Matthew Beet posted:I've been told in recent times we don't say indigenous anymore, it's not PC. Basically because it was always used to describe flora and fauna. (Heard this from some people in the DHS)
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Nov 21, 2014 01:01
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IslamoNazi posted:I'm in the same boat with Koori. Yeah same, it's a regional thing where some peoples identified with Koori but others didn't bc it has geographic/tribal roots IIRC. A lot of mob in NSW are down with Koori, there are 'Koori Centers' all over the place but I know many others don't identify that way.
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Nov 21, 2014 01:05
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ewe2 posted:I have an aboriginal friend, I've always said Koorie with him, he's happy with that. Some aren't though; I do say indigenous because in some states they hate Koorie. Calling the Koorie people Koorie is fine, but that is only one people group when there are hundreds of indigenous groups.
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Nov 21, 2014 01:12
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I use the indigenous and unique Australian word 'mate'
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Nov 21, 2014 01:16
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stop the mateships
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Nov 21, 2014 01:18
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With the iron ore price dropping faster than the very stone it's extracted from, there might not be enough in the budget for mateships. Maybe a single mateboat if we raise the retirement age to 95.
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Nov 21, 2014 01:43
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Zenithe posted:Calling the Koorie people Koorie is fine, but that is only one people group when there are hundreds of indigenous groups. Yeah that was my point, Koorie is fine generally here in Victoria. The Hun today is hilarious. They're talking down their own Galaxy poll showing that Dan Andrews has improved his standing despite a negative ad campaign that I didn't have to see cos I dont do TV yay and the Libs haven't made a dent on the ALP lead. Ellen Whinnett was reduced to hoping bad things would happen to PUP. And Mark Knight is running out of ideas: 
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Nov 21, 2014 01:47
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yeah there used to be a special indigenous court in QLD that was called the Murri court after the largest language group/nation up here. of course the newman government closed it down in 2012, because something something budget crisis
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Nov 21, 2014 01:50
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also according to wikipedia the term yakka as in hard yakka is derived from the Jagera people on whose sacred land I currently walk my dog.
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Nov 21, 2014 01:52
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Idk how to feel about suburb and town names taken from first peoples languages. On the one hand they are way more interesting, potentially raise awareness of the lands heritage and could be seen as a sign of recognition and respect. On the other hand it is taking the language and heritage of the people you have already stolen everything else from and using it for your own colonial structures.
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Nov 21, 2014 02:01
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Whole lotta whitesplaining going on in here
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Nov 21, 2014 02:04
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Gough Suppressant posted:Idk how to feel about suburb and town names taken from first peoples languages. when the alternative is transplanting some bullshit english town name so you can easier forget there was anybody there at all before whitey, i'm very much in favour of it
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Nov 21, 2014 02:06
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SeekOtherCandidate posted:when the alternative is transplanting some bullshit english town name so you can easier forget there was anybody there at all before whitey, i'm very much in favour of it Definitely this.
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webmeister posted:Whole lotta whitesplaining going on in here Can't discuss stuff unless you're personally involved, that'd be terrible! Better go tell TOML to stop talking about feminism because he isn't a woman. SeekOtherCandidate posted:when the alternative is transplanting some bullshit english town name so you can easier forget there was anybody there at all before whitey, i'm very much in favour of it Splode fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Nov 21, 2014 |
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Nov 21, 2014 02:12
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Why dont you just call them people?
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Nov 21, 2014 03:08
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Laserface posted:Why dont you just call them people? Guys I'm colour blind. I don't even SEE race, and never use a word for it.
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Nov 21, 2014 03:10
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SeekOtherCandidate posted:when the alternative is transplanting some bullshit english town name so you can easier forget there was anybody there at all before whitey, i'm very much in favour of it I (relatively) recently learned about the history behind all the "Boundary Road"s in Brisbane, i.e. that they represented the boundary which indigenous people were not allowed to cross after a certain time. I'm assuming that similar poo poo happened in other towns/cities. While that definitely doesn't represent the WORST of our appalling treatment of our first people, it's certainly shameful to think about. Part of me would like to see a name change (idk what to, but something that maybe wasn't used to exclude people from their own loving ancestral land) but then again the only reason I even know about the curfew thing is because I was like "boundary? boundary of what?" and googled that poo poo, so in a way, changing the names of those roads could be a form of whitewashing the past and pretending that we didn't do poo poo like that.
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Nov 21, 2014 03:11
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ewe2 posted:Yeah that was my point, Koorie is fine generally here in Victoria. Wait so is everyone doing Hockey as Shrek now or did Knight just flagrantly rip off Pope in isolation?
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Fruity Gordo posted:Wait so is everyone doing Hockey as Shrek now or did Knight just flagrantly rip off Pope in isolation? Xylo would probably have a field day with this guy, he's derivative of practically everyone.
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Nov 21, 2014 03:18
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Mithranderp posted:I (relatively) recently learned about the history behind all the "Boundary Road"s in Brisbane, i.e. that they represented the boundary which indigenous people were not allowed to cross after a certain time. I'm assuming that similar poo poo happened in other towns/cities. While that definitely doesn't represent the WORST of our appalling treatment of our first people, it's certainly shameful to think about. Part of me would like to see a name change (idk what to, but something that maybe wasn't used to exclude people from their own loving ancestral land) but then again the only reason I even know about the curfew thing is because I was like "boundary? boundary of what?" and googled that poo poo, so in a way, changing the names of those roads could be a form of whitewashing the past and pretending that we didn't do poo poo like that. Change the name but put up a monument to the victims of such policies on the side of the road that includes a plaque detailing the history of the road and what it's old name represented.
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Amethyst posted:Do these guys actually, ACTUALLY feel like they are oppressed by indigenous people? Their fixation on calling out the most disadvantaged group in Australia as privileged boggles my mind. Bolt's thing is that the system is terribly unfair because Aboriginals have access to some benifits and services that others do not so this is true racism. He's also dead against Abbott's plan to mention them in the preamble. His whole freedom of speech issue last time was that he pointed the finger at a bunch of people claiming they used their aboriginality to claim benifit without even checking if this was actually the case or if they had identified as aboriginal their whole lives.
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Nov 21, 2014 03:24
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Fruity Gordo posted:Wait so is everyone doing Hockey as Shrek now or did Knight just flagrantly rip off Pope in isolation? quote:The resemblance was noted elsewhere before the cartoons. On TV I think.  And here is a Pope cartoon from 2009:  That being said, Knight also did Cormann as the Terminator which could be another rip-off from elsewhere, probably Pope as well: 
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Nov 21, 2014 03:26
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Whoa he was fat. Like. He's still fat. But wowzers.
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Nov 21, 2014 03:36
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Laserface posted:Why dont you just call them people? This is a pretty dumb post right here
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Nov 21, 2014 03:39
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The way it was explained to me was that aboriginal/indigenous are adjectives and if you don't append "person" or "people" onto the end of it its dehumanizing. Makes sense imo.
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Nov 21, 2014 03:47
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MC Eating Disorder posted:The way it was explained to me was that aboriginal/indigenous are adjectives and if you don't append "person" or "people" onto the end of it its dehumanizing. Makes sense imo. But the english language often describes groups of people with an adjective that's also a noun. Like, for example, Australian. Australian is an adjective and a noun.
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Nov 21, 2014 03:55
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Gough Suppressant posted:This is a pretty dumb post right here Not as dumb as ducking and weaving amongst terms for 20 posts in an effort to not hurt someones feelings. we are all people, just call them people. Or call them aborigines or indigenous if you want to acknowledge they have a different heritage to you. The point is whinging about racists calling them names is dumb when you still want to call them a name that differentiates them from the rest of society.
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Nov 21, 2014 04:09
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We already have a term to differentiate between the First Peoples and the rest of the people in Australian Society. Illegal Maritime Arrivals.
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Respect is dumb you guys.
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Laserface posted:Not as dumb as ducking and weaving amongst terms for 20 posts in an effort to not hurt someones feelings. Yeah man, it's just like Andrew Bolt says, we're all indigenous. I can't believe you're sticking to your guns on this one, dude.
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Nov 21, 2014 04:22
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Sure, we live in deeply racist, white supremacist society, but acknowledging that is divisive or something. Just ignore race. Ignore it. Let's celebrate diversity by stamping it out.
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Splode posted:But the english language often describes groups of people with an adjective that's also a noun. Like, for example, Australian. Australian is an adjective and a noun. counterpoint: go around calling chinese people "A chinese" and see how far you get. Language is not a purely logical thing, it is entirely subject to cultural context and if anyone thinks this is a particularly contentious suggestion they are probably going around being really loving offensive all the time and they don't even know it. drowned in pussy juice fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Nov 21, 2014 |
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We could make buildings universally acceptable to people of all levels of physical ability, but otoh people are people so gently caress ramps and elevators. Sure, women are subject to almost 90% of all sexual violence and 85% of all perpetrators of sexual violence are men, but people are people so we should focus on stopping violence against people bc what does gender have to do with it? While it is true that poverty is the biggest risk factor for substance abuse, violence, prostitution, crime, mental illness and premature death, people are people so let's abolish the community services sector and probably the welfare state.
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Nov 21, 2014 04:30
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MC Eating Disorder posted:counterpoint: go around calling chinese people "A chinese" and see how far you get Well, that wouldn't be grammatically correct, but I don't think that's significant. You can call someone An American, European, Asian, Italian, etc. without any issues.
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Nov 21, 2014 04:30
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Fruity Gordo posted:Sure, we live in deeply racist, white supremacist society, but acknowledging that is divisive or something. Just ignore race. Ignore it. Let's celebrate diversity by stamping it out. So you want to fight racism by acknowledging that people are different based on their heritage or skin colour and identifying them not as simply a person but as their race. ooookay.
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Splode posted:Well, that wouldn't be grammatically correct, but I don't think that's significant. You can call someone An American, European, Asian, Italian, etc. without any issues. In the one specific context I mentioned, cultural issues mean that appropriating an adjective as a noun is really problematic, which is my point. People said that for YEARS and now they don't. This is directly applicable to what is being said about the naked phrase "indigenous" e: removing pointless vitriol to spolode because I really want him to understand my point drowned in pussy juice fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Nov 21, 2014 |
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