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If this whole thing turns into 3 more "illegitimate" superbowls. I'll be happy. Haters gonna Hate.
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Thanks for the tautology :rollingeyes:
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The Ballocaust Ballmageddon ChernoBall The Hindenball The BallBonic Plague The Assassination of Aballham Lincoln Lee Harvey Ballswald The Ball of Pigs Pearl Harball The Uniballer Mass Ballsteria The War on Ballsmas The Ballston Massacre Ballpox EBalla The Eruption of Ball St. Helens Ball so soft university GettysBall And yet we are stuck with Deflategate or Ballghazi.
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Jan 21, 2015 22:08
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Febreeze posted:The Ballocaust Deflatember 11th starring truther Pete Carroll
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If nothing else, I hope that this leads to Belichick losing his seat/say when it comes to making pitching rule changes to the competition committee
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Jan 21, 2015 22:12
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MacheteZombie posted:They did, http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2015/01/report_patriots_may_have_deflated_footballs_for_af.html They may have "had concerns" but those claims go right out the window in terms of verifiability when they didn't alert the refs. The article claims they only talked to the team equipment manager.
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TheChirurgeon posted:If nothing else, I hope that this leads to Belichick losing his seat/say when it comes to making pitching rule changes to the competition committee He's never been on it as far as I can remember, it's made up of: Chairman: Rich McKay Jeff Fisher (lol) Stephen Jones Marvin Lewis John Mara Mark Murphy (Packers) Ozzie Newsome Rick Smith (Texans) Mike Tomlin (lol)
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WugLyfe posted:They may have "had concerns" but those claims go right out the window in terms of verifiability when they didn't alert the refs. The article claims they only talked to the team equipment manager. Exactly. This is sounding more and more like a combination of the hot room/warm air theory with NFL officials completely failing to do their jobs. I'm more than happy to change my opinion in light of any new evidence, however.
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WugLyfe posted:They may have "had concerns" but those claims go right out the window in terms of verifiability when they didn't alert the refs. The article claims they only talked to the team equipment manager. I agree they should have told the refs during the game, however the article does make note that the Colts did alert the "league", not just an equipment manager. Which meant the NFL was aware of issue going into Sunday's game.
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Nothing is going to come of this they aren't going to be able to prove anything happened, but they won't be able to prove it wasn't foul play, so it's going to hang in the air like a wet fart erupting from Wilfork's rear end at precisely 13 PSI.
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Jan 21, 2015 22:17
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MacheteZombie posted:I agree they should have told the refs during the game, however the article does make note that the Colts did alert the "league", not just an equipment manager. Which meant the NFL was aware of issue going into Sunday's game. It's been almost 2 months since Week 11 when the teams played. If the NFL was aware, why was the investigation not started then?
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Jan 21, 2015 22:19
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The hot air in the ball hypothesis is ludicrous. Do you guys really think the air inside would stay hot long enough to affect any measurements? The inside air would reach equilibrium within a few minutes. It's a ball, not an oven
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Leon Einstein posted:The hot air in the ball hypothesis is ludicrous. Do you guys really think the air inside would stay hot long enough to affect any measurements? The inside air would reach equilibrium within a few minutes. It's a ball, not an oven That's a hot take! 
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Jan 21, 2015 22:21
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Alter Ego posted:It's been almost 2 months since Week 11 when the teams played. If the NFL was aware, why was the investigation not started then? The NFL only seems to investigate things the media makes a big deal out of?
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@AbramsonPBP: Vegas has 15-2 odds that Belichick is suspended for the Super Bowl Can anyone help me confirm/deny this?
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Dirt Worshipper posted:@AbramsonPBP: Vegas has 15-2 odds that Belichick is suspended for the Super Bowl I should bet against it.
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Leon Einstein posted:The hot air in the ball hypothesis is ludicrous. Do you guys really think the air inside would stay hot long enough to affect any measurements? The inside air would reach equilibrium within a few minutes. It's a ball, not an oven Two callers on PFWinProgress (yes, it's a patriots.com radioshow) tested it the last two days with their football teams (highschool) and found the balls deflated by 1.65 and 2.8 PSI on average, at the same temperature it was during the game. It's not verified by any means but I think it's possible that it was by natural causes.
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Febreeze posted:The Ballocaust "Ballumbine High School Massacre" didn't make this list and I don't know why.
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MacheteZombie posted:The NFL only seems to investigate things the media makes a big deal out of? Yes but unironically.
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football fuckerman posted:I dont understand what this little argument is getting at. That the accusations are just made up? Or that the refs were in on it? I think there's this weird line of thought that goes "well if the refs didn't notice it and stop them then it's the NFL's fault!"
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MacheteZombie posted:The NFL only seems to investigate things the media makes a big deal out of? For example, Ray Rice.
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Dirt Worshipper posted:@AbramsonPBP: Vegas has 15-2 odds that Belichick is suspended for the Super Bowl SPECIAL (NE @ SEA) - Will Bill Belichick be suspended for the Super Bowl for the Deflated Ball scandal? Yes +750 No -1500 SPECIAL (NE @ SEA) - Will Bill Belichick be suspended for at least 1 game for the Deflated Ball scandal? Yes +150 No -200
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Lol on the nfl network Jerome Bettis and mark Brunel did a blind test where they had to catch 3 different footballs, one overinflated, one under inflated, and one normal and they both got it right without hesitation
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GaussianCopula posted:Two callers on PFWinProgress (yes, it's a patriots.com radioshow) tested it the last two days with their football teams (highschool) and found the balls deflated by 1.65 and 2.8 PSI on average, at the same temperature it was during the game. It's not verified by any means but I think it's possible that it was by natural causes. So there were weather conditions localized to just half the stadium?
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GaussianCopula posted:Two callers on PFWinProgress (yes, it's a patriots.com radioshow) tested it the last two days with their football teams (highschool) and found the balls deflated by 1.65 and 2.8 PSI on average, at the same temperature it was during the game. It's not verified by any means but I think it's possible that it was by natural causes. As much as I want this to be definitive, we really need a less potentially biased source to do this. It's about ethics in conjuring up explanations to hide cheating at sportball.
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The best outcome of this is like someone mentioned earlier: they just heated up the balls so the pressure would rise enough to pass inspection, so they could use the "read the rulebook, nothing in there about the temperature of the ball" excuse. That would get me to root for the patriots
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GaussianCopula posted:Two callers on PFWinProgress (yes, it's a patriots.com radioshow) tested it the last two days with their football teams (highschool) and found the balls deflated by 1.65 and 2.8 PSI on average, at the same temperature it was during the game. It's not verified by any means but I think it's possible that it was by natural causes.
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GaussianCopula posted:Two callers on PFWinProgress (yes, it's a patriots.com radioshow) tested it the last two days with their football teams (highschool) and found the balls deflated by 1.65 and 2.8 PSI on average, at the same temperature it was during the game. It's not verified by any means but I think it's possible that it was by natural causes. Victory on the Charles (Law).
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So now that Belichick has been behind both Spygate and PSIgate, what are the odds the NFL will just ban him for cheating?
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NC-17 posted:So there were weather conditions localized to just half the stadium? It's so unlikely to be almost a laugh, but if Luck likes his balls at the very upper end of the spectrum or even a little overinflated like Rogers does, and Brady likes his soft and supple, and even slightly underinflated (bending the rules more than outright breaking them), then atmospheric conditions could have pushed Brady's balls way down low while keeping Luck's snugly in the legal range. I mean it almost certainly didn't happen like that but there's plausible deniability.
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Chilichimp posted:So now that Belichick has been behind both Spygate and PSIgate, what are the odds the NFL will just ban him for cheating? Zero unfortunately. Roger Goodell is the one in charge of punishment remember.
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Chilichimp posted:So now that Belichick has been behind both Spygate and PSIgate, what are the odds the NFL will just ban him for cheating?
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Chilichimp posted:So now that Belichick has been behind both Spygate and PSIgate, what are the odds the NFL will just ban him for cheating? Gregg Williams is still allowed in the league and his actions caused players to be actually hurt.
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Chilichimp posted:So now that Belichick has been behind both Spygate and PSIgate, what are the odds the NFL will just ban him for cheating? Zero. Even if the NFL had Balls, deflating the football doesn't seem like a huge infraction in the grand scheme of the game. Belichick would need to practically shoot or poison the opponent to get kicked out.
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Peter King's article and he obviously tends to be on the side of league office thinking. http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/21/patriots-tom-brady-bill-belichick-deflategate-ball-controversy/
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And let's be honest. We call him billy five aces for a reason. He's a fucker but he's a great coach and has been good for the game. He just looks for edges (99% legal) wherever he can get them and doesn't give a poo poo about what the media thinks
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I think it all depends on where they check the pressure. If they initially check them inside at room temperature prior to the game where they were inflated to the minimum requirement, brought them outside where the temperature dropped, the atmospheric pressure changed with the weather system, and evaporative cooling from the rain cooled the balls down even further, it is extremely realistic for the ball to drop 2 psi. However, if they brought it back to the same temperature it was initially measured and it was down 2 psi, the change in atmospheric pressure wouldn't have that much of an impact alone and that is a much different story. I have no love for the patriots, but I'm putting money on the refs not doing their job and that this is something that occurs very often with zero shits given by anyone.
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scavok posted:I think it all depends on where they check the pressure. If they initially check them inside at room temperature prior to the game where they were inflated to the minimum requirement, brought them outside where the temperature dropped, the atmospheric pressure changed with the weather system, and evaporative cooling from the rain cooled the balls down even further, it is extremely realistic for the ball to drop 2 psi. However, if they brought it back to the same temperature it was initially measured and it was down 2 psi, that is a much different story. I have no love for the patriots, but I'm putting money on the refs not doing their job and that this is something that occurs very often with zero shits given by anyone. The latest report said they were checked 5 minutes before kickoff. Which in *theory* you'd think means the balls must already be outside at that point. I mean you see the quarterbacks warming up and throwing balls around long before the game starts anyway. They must be outside for quite a bit before kickoff. Impossibly Perfect Sphere fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jan 21, 2015 |
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So apparently it's been confirmed that the balls used by the Patriots in the second half were the ref approved backup balls, meaning the original ones were taken out of circulation. So the Patriots scored 28 points and were nearly flawless in the second half with the properly inflated balls, after struggling with the bad balls in the first. Which begs the question. Why on loving Earth did the team mess with the balls at all? This makes me feel worse because it has to be the most stupid way to cheat of all time because it was soooo unnecessary. They might have won 60 to 7 if they just followed the goddamned rules. But they didn't. And that's the problem, I'm not going to be one of those guys going "durr the Pats could have played with beachballs and won by 20." That's not the point.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Which begs the question. Why on loving Earth did the team mess with the balls at all? This makes me feel worse because it has to be the most stupid way to cheat of all time because it was soooo unnecessary. They might have won 60 to 7 if they just followed the goddamned rules. Obviously because they believed/imagined there was some kind of advantage. I mean why the hell did they bother taping signals for teams they weren't going to play again for years? Same reason.
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