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Neruz posted:From memory one of the huge issues SC:Ghost ran into was that it just wasn't a very good game. Blizzard basically cancelled it because it just wasn't working and it's not surprising that it took awhile before they were willing to admit that. It's too bad, because it would probably do okay now.
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The overall concept of an Sutarukuraftu FPS where you play as a Ghost\Dark Templar\Changeling\Special Operative\Something Awesome could definitely work, it just wasn't working the way the SC: Ghost team was doing it. I have no idea if Blizzard will ever try something like that again; going outside of your comfort zone to build a game in a genre none of your guys are familiar with is much riskier than building a game in a genre you know and Activision are Activision so 
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Neruz posted:The overall concept of an Sutarukuraftu FPS where you play as a Ghost\Dark Templar\Changeling\Special Operative\Something Awesome could definitely work, it just wasn't working the way the SC: Ghost team was doing it. Also remember SC:Ghost was being subbed out to some outside developers, so it really got canned when Blizzard realized they weren't getting what they'd originally asked for. Blizzard's definitely not averse to doing a thing they've never done before, that's a pretty significant amount of their recent and upcoming work after all.
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Jan 25, 2015 02:26
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Oh yeah I know they're not averse to it, just that the odds of loving up increase when the devs are outside their comfort zone.
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Jan 25, 2015 03:07
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Feinne posted:Also apparently the Battlecruiser is, was, and always has been Metzen which kinda shakes my world because it means he can secretly do at least one other voice. Do you really want your mind blown? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMkRWwYyWd0 This is Chris Metzen.
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Jan 25, 2015 03:36
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Metzen has been sneaking his voice into Blizzard games since the start.
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Jan 25, 2015 03:40
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I mean that the surprising part is that he can do voices that don't sound like Thrall.
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Jan 25, 2015 03:41
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SirSamVimes posted:Do you really want your mind blown? So Metzen is the soulless construct set there by more powerful beings that decides whether the world that you've invested so much time in lives or dies? Sounds about right.
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Kurieg posted:So Metzen is the soulless construct set there by more powerful beings that decides whether the world that you've invested so much time in lives or dies? Yep Metzen is basically the voice of god in the Warcraft universe 
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Jan 25, 2015 03:58
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Mission: The Moebius Factor Research: Science Vessel Upgrades: Advanced Medic Facility Replenishable Magazine Cerberus Mine
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Jan 25, 2015 04:47
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SirSamVimes posted:I mean that the surprising part is that he can do voices that don't sound like Thrall. Yeah given that the three voices he's most known for are Thrall, Ragnaros, and Nefarian (who all sound very similar) it's pretty amazing to hear him doing something totally different.
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Jan 25, 2015 04:47
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Neruz posted:Oh yeah I know they're not averse to it, just that the odds of loving up increase when the devs are outside their comfort zone. Except Hearthstone and Overwatch are nothing like their previous games. Hearthstone is fantastic and is making them money hand over fist; Overwatch is quite promising.
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Jan 25, 2015 06:38
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Oh hey I forgot about Overwatch, well there you go.
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Jan 25, 2015 06:42
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Neruz posted:Oh hey I forgot about Overwatch, well there you go. It's probably not going to be called that but I'm sure first person team shooter by blizzard will be great.
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 Voting ClosedEngine of Destruction - 14 Moebius Factor - 11 Science Vessel - 24 Raven - 1 Shaped Blast - 19 AMF - 4 Replenishable Mag - 4 Advanced Construction - 3 Cerberus Mines - 2 Phobos - 1 I expected Science Vessel to win handily, and boy howdy did it ever.
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Jan 25, 2015 08:02
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Raldan posted:I expected Science Vessel to win handily, and boy howdy did it ever. It's so much better than the Raven that there is really no contest.
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Jan 25, 2015 08:05
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Neruz posted:It's so much better than the Raven that there is really no contest. Yeah there's a reason why Science Vessels aren't build-able in multi-player , because with the right army a Terran player would be more or less unstoppable.
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Jan 25, 2015 09:18
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Science Vessels would basically hard counter Zerg. Not any specific units, the entire faction.
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Jan 25, 2015 09:19
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Neruz posted:Science Vessels would basically hard counter Zerg. Irradiate on top of Defense Matrix'd MMM would be pretty terrifying.
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Jan 25, 2015 09:29
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Healing units that heal other healing units while they heal attacking units. It's insane. Also science vessels would never have the ability to do that if they were a multiplayer unit. There's a reason why all of the busted units live in the campaign.
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Jan 25, 2015 09:34
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Brainbread posted:Irradiate on top of Defense Matrix'd MMM would be pretty terrifying. Try irradiated Siege Tanks and Vikings that are all being healed. Zerg has no answer to mech with Science Vessels, none of their units will work against mech supported by flying mechanical unit healing irradiate casting detectors. Throwing Irradiate onto the Colossi in a deathball and then running away while the Zealots all die would also really piss off a Protoss player.
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Jan 25, 2015 09:39
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Since now we have Science Vessels, I take it you will play next mission with mass diamondbacks. In your last video, I heard you saying that you love them so, so much
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Jan 25, 2015 10:59
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Raldan posted:I expected Science Vessel to win handily, and boy howdy did it ever. Raven vote represent.
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Jan 25, 2015 11:27
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GKirby posted:Raven vote represent. How does it feel being objectively wrong
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Jan 25, 2015 11:31
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Nalesh posted:How does it feel being objectively wrong It wouldn't be the first time in this thread. As I said earlier, I'm voting on research options that I didn't pick up on my own play through. So, in a way, I could argue that I am objectively right!
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Jan 25, 2015 11:32
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GKirby posted:Raven vote represent. I played an extremely long multiplayer game yesterday against a Terran player who turtled and made many, many ravens. It took over an hour, was obnoxious and irritating, and if we get ravens I may or may not commentate the video where we show them off. Hunter seeker missile was much improved in Heart of the Swarm, though; it acts quite differently.
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Not vouching for the channel or the casters overall (since the last time someone posted their stuff, "stop talking about bad casters" was iirc a recorded comment in one of the videos), but this is still one of the most insane and hilarious SC2 casts I've seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uICerPqth5Y
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GunnerJ posted:Not vouching for the channel or the casters overall (since the last time someone posted their stuff, "stop talking about bad casters" was iirc a recorded comment in one of the videos), but this is still one of the most insane and hilarious SC2 casts I've seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uICerPqth5Y Wow, MaximusBlack and Ketroc in the same place. Someone kill me.  (I've played Ketroc on ladder; it's incredibly obnoxious and frustrating.) ed: Those casts can be amusing, but MaximusBlack is a terrible person, for posterity.
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Yeah, their shtick has gotten stale as hell. I remember finding a lot of their early stuff really funny, but I went back and watched a lot of their videos when this thread was talking about them before, and holy crap, they are awful now. Boring, gross, and 65% of the time they aren't even talking about the game. They remind me of that episode of Family Guy where Stewie and Brian get a radio show because they're witty and insightful, but over time, they're forced to become the lovely, schlocky shock jocks that they replaced. They gave their fans what they wanted until there was no actual substance left.
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Synastren posted:ed: Those casts can be amusing, but MaximusBlack is a terrible person, for posterity. I don't know anything about him personally, so I'm kinda curious about this. Also, yeah, I check in on When Cheese Fails now and then to see if there's anything funny, but even on the rare occasions that they post anything, there's a 50-50 shot that they're going to ignore the game and talk about their underwear or lazy unionized UPS drivers or some crap.
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Synastren posted:(I've played Ketroc on ladder; it's incredibly obnoxious and frustrating.) I've watched his channel a few times, it's a fun time to watch at least and the man's grip on the mechanics of the game is freaking unshakeable. Is this sort of strategy frowned on in the SC2 community?
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SageNytell posted:I've watched his channel a few times, it's a fun time to watch at least and the man's grip on the mechanics of the game is freaking unshakeable. Is this sort of strategy frowned on in the SC2 community? I think it's just the certainty that a game that would otherwise be over quickly is going to drag the gently caress out.
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SageNytell posted:I've watched his channel a few times, it's a fun time to watch at least and the man's grip on the mechanics of the game is freaking unshakeable. Is this sort of strategy frowned on in the SC2 community? His mechanics aren't very good. I can do the same thing with my otherwise Gold level Terran against Diamond Zergs on the European server reliably. His playstyle is incredibly cheesy and remarkably easy for how frustrating it is to play against, and how inefficient (with respect to time) it is.
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Feinne posted:I think it's just the certainty that a game that would otherwise be over quickly is going to drag the gently caress out. Yeah that sort of strategy is very likely to make the game take loving forever regardless of outcome, so it tends to piss a lot of players off. e: Also worth noting that Micro Jackson basically threw the game by constantly plowing face first into planetary fortresses when the correct response to that is to basically expand everywhere in complete safety and tech right past the midgame to the lategame. Neruz fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Jan 26, 2015 |
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I decided to do some Heart of the Swarm Training things to practice my macro. I was playing as Zerg to get experience for the campaign. How did it go? Let's just say: What's below "Wood League"?
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Jan 26, 2015 05:30
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The first trick is learning what your hotkeys are and creating control groups for your hatcheries and queens.
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Jan 26, 2015 05:35
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The first thing to learn is that the Zerg campaign in HotS bears absolutely no resemblance to playing Zerg in multiplayer; ex Swarm Queens cannot inject larvae.
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Jan 26, 2015 05:58
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it's more that swarm queens don't need to inject larvae, Hatcheries can go up to 7 larvae naturally and generate them as fast as a fully microed hatchery with queens.
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It teaches you that macro hatches are a cool but economically unfeasable way to make up for not being able to larva inject.
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Neruz posted:The first thing to learn is that the Zerg campaign in HotS bears absolutely no resemblance to playing Zerg in multiplayer; ex Kurieg posted:it's more that Tyty posted:It teaches you that I can't wait until the LP hits the point that I'm actually able to understand half of what you nerds post in here.
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