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The Dirty Burger posted:If Maloney is asking for a 1st + blue chip prospect for Vermette then I wonder what the hell Yandle's asking price is Probably a 1st, a blue chip prospect, and an RFA-age roster player who can play on either the second line or second pair. Maybe second/third-line tweeners who he thinks can step up on his team. Probably looking for something close to the return of the Nash trade. Zodijackylite fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jan 30, 2015 |
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Twin Cinema posted:Weren't the final rankings on Domi all over the place? It's hard for me to remember, so I am probably wrong, but I don't think he fell, especially over the guys drafted ahead of him. That was a pretty sick draft, and its too early to say one way or another what picks were good or bad but I think Domi will likely end up being better than at least a few guys ahead of him. Im just saying I'd probably just go and take Marner 4th if I was drafting since he's a Knights guy.
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Zodijackylite posted:Probably a 1st, a blue chip prospect, and an RFA-age roster player who can play on either the second line or second pair.  Murray make this trade
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Jan 30, 2015 20:21
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ThinkTank posted:Please no. Didn't some terrible team break a streak against the Sharks earlier this season? And the Canucks and the Sharks are identical twins separated at birth, so yeah, it'll happen.
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Jan 30, 2015 20:23
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toe knee hand posted:Didn't some terrible team break a streak against the Sharks earlier this season? And the Canucks and the Sharks are identical twins separated at birth, so yeah, it'll happen. The oilers got their first win against the west
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Jan 30, 2015 20:24
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Austrian mook posted:
Got any more Nick Boninos to sell at sticker price, featuring their Anaheim Ducks offensive numbers? Edited my last post, asking price is probably going to be not one, but two 2nd-3rd line tweeners who he thinks can make the step up on the Yotes. Probably something like the Rick Nash trade, though he'll probably get less on one of the assets.
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Jan 30, 2015 20:28
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are we still posting players with embarassingly bad fancystats because holy poo poo
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Jan 30, 2015 20:31
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Zodijackylite posted:Probably a 1st, a blue chip prospect, and an RFA-age roster player who can play on either the second line or second pair. Maybe second/third-line tweeners who he thinks can step up on his team. Probably looking for something close to the return of the Nash trade. If that's true, I wish Rangers fans would stop harping on trading for him. Yuck.
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Zodijackylite posted:Got any more Nick Boninos to sell at sticker price, featuring their Anaheim Ducks offensive numbers? Matt Belesky just scored his 19th hes basically the Nick Bonino of this year. Really there's just tons of guys in the organization, I've been waiting on them to make a large package for someone good to play with Fowler for a few years now. Instead, we signed Clayton loving Stoner.
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Jan 30, 2015 20:37
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LmaoTheKid posted:If that's true, I wish Rangers fans would stop harping on trading for him. Yuck. Someone told me that the he thought Rangers could get Vermette for a third-round pick. The big missing piece who the team absolutely needs to snap this losing streak but doesn't cost anything.  Austrian mook posted:Matt Belesky just scored his 19th hes basically the Nick Bonino of this year. Really there's just tons of guys in the organization, I've been waiting on them to make a large package for someone good to play with Fowler for a few years now. Instead, we signed Clayton loving Stoner. Sell! Sell!
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Twin Cinema posted:Also, can someone explain Usage Adjusted Corsi For/60 and Usage Adjusted Corsi Against/60 in terms that I would understand? I get the idea of what the numbers are trying to convey, but not what actually goes into them. Back in my day, we only had one Corsi, and we enjoyed it. I'll give it a shot but anyone should please correct me or explain better if they can: Corsi is a simple measurement of shot attempts for/against that doesn't take into account things like how good your linemates are, the skill of your competition, or whether you're being put at a disadvantage Corsi-wise by beginning all of your shifts in the defensive zone. e.g. Tanner Glass would inevitably get a boost if he were with Crosby and Malkin because they'd be putting up many more scoring chances than what he normally manages, just as he would in turn bring their numbers down a bit. Math wizards take that regular Corsi number and compare it against other figures such as the variables listed above as well as things like league averages or your competitions' numbers to give Adjusted Corsi, a figure that attempts to look at an individual player's offensive output in a vacuum because all other factors have been isolated.
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Zodijackylite posted:Someone told me that the he thought Rangers could get Vermette for a third-round pick. The big missing piece who the team absolutely needs to snap this losing streak but doesn't cost anything. Santorelli pls
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Pornographic Memory posted:are we still posting players with embarassingly bad fancystats because holy poo poo Stuck at work but interested to see that vs bortuzzo and despres
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Zodijackylite posted:Sell! Sell! Well yeah? We have more young players than we can ice and desperately need a defenseman if we're gonna win something. There no point in waiting and waiting, Getzlaf is at his best right now and we have Kesler signed for 2 years. This is thw window.
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ultimatemike posted:What made it really great was that Roenick was sitting right there and you know it just killed him on the inside. Roenick has been dead inside for years. It's the outside that's lagging.
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Austrian mook posted:That was a pretty sick draft, and its too early to say one way or another what picks were good or bad but I think Domi will likely end up being better than at least a few guys ahead of him. Im just saying I'd probably just go and take Marner 4th if I was drafting since he's a Knights guy. Drafting based on teams is pretty dumb. Who other than Morin than went before Domi do you feel he'll be a better player than?
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A Typical Goon posted:Drafting based on teams is pretty dumb. Who other than Morin than went before Domi do you feel he'll be a better player than? Seems some Knights kid comes out every single draft, i dont see why using that to predict future Knights kids will probably be good is so abhorrent? Im away from my computer but Domi looks pretty drat good, we'll just have to wait and see
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Twin Cinema posted:Also, can someone explain Usage Adjusted Corsi For/60 and Usage Adjusted Corsi Against/60 in terms that I would understand? I get the idea of what the numbers are trying to convey, but not what actually goes into them. Back in my day, we only had one Corsi, and we enjoyed it. Usage Adjusted Corsi just adjust for how a player is deployed. No one would expect a player to put up great possession numbers if they are sent out against other team's top lines in the defensive zone all the time, so they adjust their Corsi by increasing it using some formula. Similarly, players who are sent out almost exclusively in the offensive zone or against weak competition have their Corsi values adjusted downwards in an attempt to get a better understanding of how good a player is.
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rex rabidorum vires posted:Stuck at work but interested to see that vs bortuzzo and despres Depres looks like a goddamn super hero compared with Scuderi. I'm going to chalk this up to him spending time paired with Letang  Bortuzzo less so..  Speaking of Letang though, this isn't wholly unsurprising. 
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So Dave Nonis will be attending the Manchester Monarchs game tonight, supposedly to scout Mike Richards. Shanny if you were looking for an opportunity to fire him, this would be it.
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Xtanstic posted:I don't really follow junior. Do you have any stories or articles detailing their shenanigans? When I get home from work Ill see if I can dig some of them up. Some of it is, honestly, just hilarious ways of interpreting the old OHL rules to land players they shouldnt have had.
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A Typical Goon posted:Drafting based on teams is pretty dumb. Who other than Morin than went before Domi do you feel he'll be a better player than? Bo Horvat
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ThinkTank posted:So Dave Nonis will be attending the Manchester Monarchs game tonight, supposedly to scout Mike Richards. Shanny if you were looking for an opportunity to fire him, this would be it. Oh man, I hope he ends up on the Leafs.
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ThinkTank posted:So Dave Nonis will be attending the Manchester Monarchs game tonight, supposedly to scout Mike Richards. Shanny if you were looking for an opportunity to fire him, this would be it. And the Kings are desperately looking for defense. The Leafs are going to trade Gardiner for Richards aren't they Please stop giving the Kings ridiculously lopsided trades, rest of the NHL
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Jamwad Hilder posted:Bo Horvat Sounds like you don't know Bo  you are correct though
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ThinkTank posted:So Dave Nonis will be attending the Manchester Monarchs game tonight, supposedly to scout Mike Richards. Shanny if you were looking for an opportunity to fire him, this would be it. On the bright side Leafs fans, both his and Clarkson's salaries will be off the books in 2020 
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.Spec posted:Depres looks like a goddamn super hero compared with Scuderi. I'm going to chalk this up to him spending time paired with Letang Thanks. Actually surprised Bort is that decent with him spending some time with Scuds. Same for Despres in that he's played with nearly everyone on back end. Man though Scuds is so bad
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ThinkTank posted:Sounds like you don't know Bo I don't even think Bo is that bad I just think Domi is probably going to be better. The Canucks are weird.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:The Canucks are weird. Yeah two sorta 'off the board' selections in Horvat and Virtanen with 10 ten picks when the team was in desperate need of an injection of top end talent was a bit depressing. Still, this team has a reputation as acting like the smartest guys in the room to uphold. I was all for drafting Nuke at 9th. Horvat was ranked anywhere from 12th-18th and was consistently ranked behind Domi. Still it's hard to compare the two players at the moment. Horvat is playing 4th line minutes in the NHL, Domi is playing top line minutes in the OHL. When they were both playing for the nights last year their PPGs were pretty close (1.53 for Domi, 1.37 for Horvat) with Horvat playing the shutdown centre role at the same time. If Horvat had played another year in the OHL he'd have been called upon to be a top tier contributor for Canada at the WJC. Instead the Canucks chose to develop him in the NHL. He's looked fine so far, so it's not necessarily a terrible idea.
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ThinkTank posted:So Dave Nonis will be attending the Manchester Monarchs game tonight, supposedly to scout Mike Richards. Shanny if you were looking for an opportunity to fire him, this would be it. their director of pro scouting will be there too. RICHARDS FOR PHANEUF E4
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What is the corsi against/60 supposed to represent? Does that mean like a high number is bad as in that player gives up a high volume of shots against per/60? I'm confused by that label. Corsi and adjusted corsi are fairly straight forward but corsi against...me no understand
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Ginette Reno posted:What is the corsi against/60 supposed to represent? Does that mean like a high number is bad as in that player gives up a high volume of shots against per/60? I'm confused by that label. Corsi and adjusted corsi are fairly straight forward but corsi against...me no understand Longer bar, fewer shots allowed.
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Im revoking my status as a fan until the Ducks make a trade for Phaneuf.
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ThinkTank posted:So Dave Nonis will be attending the Manchester Monarchs game tonight, supposedly to scout Mike Richards. Shanny if you were looking for an opportunity to fire him, this would be it. Any chance you have a link for this so I can mock my Leafs fan friend about it? Austrian mook posted:Im revoking my status as a fan until the Ducks make a trade for Phaneuf. Oh nooooooo....
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Ginette Reno posted:What is the corsi against/60 supposed to represent? Does that mean like a high number is bad as in that player gives up a high volume of shots against per/60? I'm confused by that label. Corsi and adjusted corsi are fairly straight forward but corsi against...me no understand Yep, just shot attempts by the opposing team while the player is on the ice. It's how you get the CF%: CF/(CF+CA). So you want a low CA number, but in these charts, they bars don't represent raw numbers, they represent ranking vs. other players. So Scuderi's CA bar on the chart is really short, which indicates that he ranks very poorly on CA vs. other defensemen, and therefore that his raw CA number would be high. edit: Aphrodite posted:Longer bar, fewer shots allowed. I don't know why you feel the need to over complicate such a simple concept!
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Trevor Bird posted:their director of pro scouting will be there too. Reminder that this is Steve Kasper, the guy that thinks players like Dave Bolland and David Clarkson were crucial components to winning teams because of their contributions away from the scoresheet and how they make themselves "hard to play against" Like I know there's an argument to be made for agitators and all but in the context of those guys in particular and how they turned out...
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Habibi posted:Any chance you have a link for this so I can mock my Leafs fan friend about it? http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/691087 Mock away.
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Lumius posted:are the leafs the oilers of the east at this point. You need to be more specific. Oilers in the sense of a long, proud tradition of sucking or Oilers in the sense of shouldn't be in the NHL right now?
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Pornographic Memory posted:I think it's supposed to be one of those "wakeup call" scratches for poor play but Johnston's personnel management kind of bugs me. I'm not sure if he's just loving around for the sake of experimentation because the regular season doesn't matter to the Penguins now I guess and the team is mostly healthy so he has the pieces to play around a little, but things like putting Perron on his off-wing so Kunitz can play on the first line when Hornqvist is healthy now, not resting Fleury more, or, well, just letting Zach Sill and Craig Adams play in general don't seem very smart. I don't think these criticisms are very fair (well, maybe the Fleury one is). Perron explicitly said when he was traded that he's comfortable on both wings, but prefers playing LW (his off side). I would imagine that Perron is happy with the change given that. The other thing is that, while it's gotten better, our forward depth still isn't that great. Who do you play on the 4th line if you sit both Sill and Adams? I mean they're not good hockey players, but that's kinda what most 4th lines are. I actually really like how Johnston has been coaching overall. He seems to be able to react to stuff way better than Bylsma did, he doesn't seem to make really stupid panic changes like Bylsma (hello putting craig adams on the first line), and most of all, he gives young players a chance to play in important situations. The fact that he gives rookies a chance on the PK is huge for their development, and it's nice to see a coach trust his players in situations like that.
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