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Also, Mao was personally a very impressive individual in a lot of ways dude was really sharp, also strong-willed, devious and charismatic
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You say impressive, I say oppressive, Time to call the whole thing off.
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V. Illych L. posted:Also, Mao was personally a very impressive individual in a lot of ways I was watching a documentary about your namesake last night, and apparently he whizzed through a three year law degree in a single year. Smart cookie.
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Yvette Cooper is just killing it in parliament, taking the government to task over Serco.
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Communism is terrible and causes nothing but death and as such is evil, now let me tell you how Capitalism and the British Empire were forces for good...
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Prince John posted:I was watching a documentary about your namesake last night, and apparently he whizzed through a three year law degree in a single year. Smart cookie. Oh yeah, Lenin was one of those people you can read and just *feel* the intelligence of. I very rarely feel completely out of my depth reading even very clever people, but reading Lenin is a very humbling experience. I think it's because he's not a really super cryptic (like Wittgenstein or many continentals) or especially dense in his prose (Hegel, looking at you), so he just lays his analysis open in a way that makes it look completely obvious without obscuring his work. He was very much a product of his time, but I think he might be my favourite prose writer from a reader's perspective - he just hits that sweet spot of sophistication, erudition and straightforwardness for me. More so than even guys like Sartre or Russel, for whatever reason.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Communism is terrible and causes nothing but death and as such is evil, now let me tell you how Capitalism and the British Empire were forces for good... Maybe it's not State Communism or Capitalism or Imperialism. Maybe it's humans that are terrible and which something should be done about.
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V. Illych L. posted:Oh yeah, Lenin was one of those people you can read and just *feel* the intelligence of. I very rarely feel completely out of my depth reading even very clever people, but reading Lenin is a very humbling experience. I think it's because he's not a really super cryptic (like Wittgenstein or many continentals) or especially dense in his prose (Hegel, looking at you), so he just lays his analysis open in a way that makes it look completely obvious without obscuring his work. He was very much a product of his time, but I think he might be my favourite prose writer from a reader's perspective - he just hits that sweet spot of sophistication, erudition and straightforwardness for me. More so than even guys like Sartre or Russel, for whatever reason. Any particular volumes you'd recommend? I could do with some new reading material, especially in a style other than Zizek's intense chapter-length run-on sentences.
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V. Illych L. posted:Oh yeah, Lenin was one of those people you can read and just *feel* the intelligence of. I very rarely feel completely out of my depth reading even very clever people, but reading Lenin is a very humbling experience. I think it's because he's not a really super cryptic (like Wittgenstein or many continentals) or especially dense in his prose (Hegel, looking at you), so he just lays his analysis open in a way that makes it look completely obvious without obscuring his work. He was very much a product of his time, but I think he might be my favourite prose writer from a reader's perspective - he just hits that sweet spot of sophistication, erudition and straightforwardness for me. More so than even guys like Sartre or Russel, for whatever reason. Do you have any particular recommendations? I was tempted to read "Left-Wing Communism, an Infantile Disorder", just because I found the title hilarious for a book written by Lenin, but should I start with something like The State and Revolution? Edit: Beaten terribly. Prince John fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Mar 3, 2015 |
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Guavanaut posted:You know that saying about "the only thing that all of your past failed relationships have in common is you"? Maybe that's the case here. Trident would solve that problem
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I'd rather live in the UK than the Soviet Union maybe it's just me.
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Renaissance Robot posted:Any particular volumes you'd recommend? I could do with some new reading material, especially in a style other than Zizek's intense chapter-length run-on sentences. You could compromise with http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n09/slavoj-zizek/barbarism-with-a-human-face Lenin's big hits are: What is to be Done? State and Revolution Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism aaaaaaand Left-Wing Communism, an Infantile Disorder Most of Lenin's stuff is available here: https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/index.htm
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Pissflaps posted:I'd rather live in the UK than the Soviet Union maybe it's just me. People's Democratic Republic of Great Britain
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Left-Wing Communism, an Infantile Disorder is very good, it's maybe the single most valuable document for assessing the theoretical justifications for the early development of the Soviet Union. I very much enjoy Materialism and Empirio-Criticism, which is probably Lenin's most original philosophical work. Other than that, What Is To Be Done and State and Revolution are, being the biggest "classics", also good for understanding Lenin's thinking. I understand he's got a textbook on the materialist dialectic, but I can't comment on that as I haven't read it. Beyond that, he's got a lot of essays (some terribly dated) and various commentary on contemporary political issues. Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism is also a really good summary of the "orthodox" Marxist view on the relation between, well, imperialism and capitalism as such, and a major theoretical contribution. Lenin's most important works are fairly esoteric, and he is really fond of Engels, but they can be read on their own. I particularly like his sick beatdowns on people - he writes some absolutely savage polemics. Find anything about Bernstein, or Kautsky after the outbreak of the Great War - his writing just drips of venom. e. oh hey, look how beaten i got
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Pissflaps posted:I'd rather live in the UK than the Soviet Union maybe it's just me. I'd rather live in the UK than Somalia.
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Gonzo McFee posted:I'd rather live in the UK than Somalia. I share this preference.
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You pay less tax in Somalia tho, would be nice having a couple hundred quid extra on your pay cheque every month tho
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Larry_Mullet posted:You pay less tax in Somalia tho, would be nice having a couple hundred quid extra on your pay cheque every month tho I feel the only minefields you can step on are the verbal kind in the Uk tho.
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You can become a pirate in somalia
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I wonder if 'The Great Somalian Bakeoff' exists?
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Jose posted:You can become a pirate in somalia What if you're already a pirate?
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Pissflaps posted:I wonder if 'The Great Somalian Bakeoff' exists? Is there a german bake off?
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UnquietDream posted:Yvette Cooper is just killing it in parliament, taking the government to task over Serco. quote:“Women in Yarl’s Wood are detained on the instruction of the Home Office. The Home Secretary is responsible for ensuring they are treated humanely.
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serious gaylord posted:Is there a german bake off? Apparently so
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Jack the Lad posted:Nice. How can we deny the UN Rapporteur a visit? We're behaving like some jumped up dictatorship.
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Pissflaps posted:Apparently so Do they have a star baker?
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Prince John posted:How can we deny the UN Rapporteur a visit? We're behaving like some jumped up dictatorship. Didn't we throw a massive strop at the one who came to see our food banks? Yvette Cooper for PM imo
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serious gaylord posted:Do they have a star baker? I get this reference.
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serious gaylord posted:Do they have a star baker? Holy poo poo
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Kegluneq posted:Didn't we throw a massive strop at the one who came to see our food banks? Never make a Home Secretary or their shadows into PMs; Home Secretaries invariably turn into fascists in the job. To be honest, we should nuke Yarl's Wood into the dirt. They've been mistreating detainees since it opened fifteen or so years ago.
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serious gaylord posted:Do they have a star baker? Woah
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Prince John posted:How can we deny the UN Rapporteur a visit? We're behaving like some jumped up dictatorship. No trolling in d&d
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baka kaba posted:No trolling in d&d It's even worse than trolling - I actually still imagine we're in a world where people at the top do have an eye for upholding some rudimentary standards of decency. How silly of me.
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http://m.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-31699347 Netenyahoo is talking about Iran to the Americans
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Prince John posted:It's even worse than trolling - I actually still imagine we're in a world where people at the top do have an eye for upholding some rudimentary standards of decency. How silly of me. I said stop!
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Renaissance Robot posted:Any particular volumes you'd recommend? I could do with some new reading material, especially in a style other than Zizek's intense chapter-length run-on sentences. I would move away from the Marxists and read something like Bourdieu's Distinction for a more nuanced understanding of class structure than the Marxist one or perhaps some Foucault for a philosophical framework that offers a great place to critique the framework of Marxism that relies heavily on metanarratives.
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StoneOfShame posted:I would move away from the Marxists and read something like Bourdieu's Distinction for a more nuanced understanding of class structure than the Marxist one or perhaps some Foucault for a philosophical framework that offers a great place to critique the framework of Marxism that relies heavily on metanarratives. die pomo scum
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Jack the Lad posted:Nice. Jesus H Christ. If I'm reading Cooper right, Serco have set up an independent inquiry into themselves after Theresa May refused to. How loving evil do you have to be that the company who will be disgraced if the findings confirm these stories is more interested in the truth getting out than you are?
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For real, though, Foucault is great, but I do think it's good to have an understanding of the subject of a critique prior to the critique itself, and Lenin is both entertaining and lucid as a writer. Also Foucault really loved him some Marxism, so eh
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Lenin: A Study in the Unity of his Thought by Lukacs, obviously.
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