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The BBC are facing a multi million pound bill for cancelling the last 3 episodes of Top Gear from all the people they've sold the series too worldwide.
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Mar 12, 2015 22:58
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serious gaylord posted:The BBC are facing a multi million pound bill for cancelling the last 3 episodes of Top Gear from all the people they've sold the series too worldwide. Well maybe this will teach them to fire people who have long-standing records of bigotry.
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Mar 12, 2015 23:00
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Well maybe this will teach them to fire people who have long-standing records of bigotry. does anyone other than this thread take jeremy clarkson at face value
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Mar 12, 2015 23:03
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People who agree with the things he says do.
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Mar 12, 2015 23:13
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Malcolm XML posted:does anyone other than this thread take jeremy clarkson at face value It's amazing, to me, that people in this thread genuinely think he's the scumbag the daily mail tells everyone he is.
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Mar 12, 2015 23:14
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Malcolm XML posted:does anyone other than this thread take jeremy clarkson at face value Every "bloke" in England?
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Mar 12, 2015 23:17
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Regarding Terry Pratchett, Going Postal's main theme is that capitalism does not provide the best product at the cheapest price, but the worst product and highest price the government is going to allow it to get away with. This is shortly followed up by Making Money, which explicitly states that value is derived from labour and not precious metals. These two books alone might do something to repair the damage done to young readers (or sci-fi/fantasy enthusiasts, autists or IT workers) by Atlas Shrugged, and for that alone TP is not Literally Hitler.
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Mar 12, 2015 23:17
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it's not like atlas shrugged is on school reading lists or read by anybody other than libertarian turbonerds who think wearing bow ties makes them look sophisticated, i don't really think it's doing a whole lot of damage to the world also, raising steam is full of praise for entrepreneurial capitalism and aspirational thinking
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Mar 12, 2015 23:20
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stickyfngrdboy posted:It's amazing, to me, that people in this thread genuinely think he's the scumbag the daily mail tells everyone he is. It's amazing to me that they can't tell he's a character he plays as its made him a millionaire.
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Mar 12, 2015 23:22
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Jeremy Clarkson is probably the best wind up merchant...in the world.
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Mar 12, 2015 23:25
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LemonDrizzle posted:it's not like atlas shrugged is on school reading lists or read by anybody other than libertarian turbonerds who think wearing bow ties makes them look sophisticated, i don't really think it's doing a whole lot of damage to the world also the finance minister of norway has it as her favourite book so y'know
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Mar 12, 2015 23:26
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LemonDrizzle posted:it's not like atlas shrugged is on school reading lists or read by anybody other than libertarian turbonerds who think wearing bow ties makes them look sophisticated, i don't really think it's doing a whole lot of damage to the world I gather it is, or at least was, in parts of the USA because ~American Author~  (possibly also because Rand was a Russian ex-pat outspoken on her hatred for the USSR)
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Mar 12, 2015 23:28
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The Terry Pratchett thing has hit me harder than I thought it would, given that I knew it would be coming. It's time to re-read Night Watch.
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Mar 12, 2015 23:34
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serious gaylord posted:It's amazing to me that they can't tell he's a character he plays as its made him a millionaire. Is there a difference between espousing backwards publicly for money as an act, and espousing backwards ideas publicly because you know no better and getting paid for it?
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Mar 12, 2015 23:38
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Malcolm XML posted:does anyone other than this thread take jeremy clarkson at face value stickyfngrdboy posted:It's amazing, to me, that people in this thread genuinely think he's the scumbag the daily mail tells everyone he is. serious gaylord posted:It's amazing to me that they can't tell he's a character he plays as its made him a millionaire. When someone says "Jeremy Clarkson is a bigoted prick" or "Jeremy Clarkson is a hero who says what everyone is thinking", they are talking about the well known character of TV and newspaper columns, Jeremy Clarkson, as presented to the world by the actor, Jeremy Clarkson. The actor, Jeremy Clarkson, may well be a different man in private. But the majority of people will never meet him or experience any aspect of him other than his public persona, Jeremy Clarkson. In public, on TV, in his books and columns Jeremy Clarkson is as far as I can tell unfailingly in character as Jeremy Clarkson. Unless he is keeping a LiveJournal under a pseudonym somewhere we've really no way of knowing what the private Jeremy Clarkson is like or how to distinguish him from the Jeremy Clarkson we all know and have strong feelings about. Therefore for the purposes of this and most other conversations I don't see any useful reason to distinguish between Jeremy Clarkson and Jeremy Clarkson. Jeremy Clarkson is, in effect, Jeremy Clarkson.
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Mar 12, 2015 23:39
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Boogoose posted:Regarding Terry Pratchett, Going Postal's main theme is that capitalism does not provide the best product at the cheapest price, but the worst product and highest price the government is going to allow it to get away with. This is shortly followed up by Making Money, which explicitly states that value is derived from labour and not precious metals. These two books alone might do something to repair the damage done to young readers (or sci-fi/fantasy enthusiasts, autists or IT workers) by Atlas Shrugged, and for that alone TP is not Literally Hitler.
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Mar 12, 2015 23:41
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LemonDrizzle posted:it's not like atlas shrugged is on school reading lists or read by anybody other than libertarian turbonerds who think wearing bow ties makes them look sophisticated, i don't really think it's doing a whole lot of damage to the world Political viewpoints aside, is it actually worth reading? Aka well written?
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Mar 12, 2015 23:44
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Prince John posted:Political viewpoints aside, is it actually worth reading? Aka well written? Atlas Shrugged? A miserable, endless screed of 100-page speeches by boring fuckwits, by all accounts.
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Mar 12, 2015 23:45
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Oberleutnant posted:Atlas Shrugged? A miserable, endless screed of 100-page speeches by boring fuckwits, by all accounts. They made a book of this thread?
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Mar 12, 2015 23:46
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serious gaylord posted:They made a book of this thread? just ur posts
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Mar 12, 2015 23:48
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Prince John posted:Political viewpoints aside, is it actually worth reading? Aka well written? Everything I've heard suggests that Rand is an absolutely atrocious writer, a perfect blend of interminably long winded and agonizingly boring.
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Mar 12, 2015 23:49
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Mar 12, 2015 23:50
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Haha, I laughed. Thanks everyone, I shall continue to steer well clear. Edit: Ooh, question time on iplayer with Natalie Bennett. Let's see how she does... http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone Prince John fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Mar 12, 2015 |
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Mar 12, 2015 23:51
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OwlFancier posted:Everything I've heard suggests that Rand is an absolutely atrocious writer, a perfect blend of interminably long winded and agonizingly boring. lmao u can't understand how poo poo rand is until you've read through pages and pages of john galt's logorrhea
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Mar 12, 2015 23:52
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I feel like I should try atlas shrugged, so i can look people in the eye when I talk about what an awful poo poo ayn rand was and how morally and ethically bankrupt her philosophy was, but I've seen people quote parts of that speech into gbs threads and it just takes up loving pages and pages.
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Mar 12, 2015 23:56
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Well, there's always http://galtse.cx/
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Mar 12, 2015 23:57
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What ever happened to that Web page that was just a plaintext dump of John Galt's final speech? e/ haha, gently caress my timing 
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Mar 12, 2015 23:58
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Prince John posted:Haha, I laughed. Thanks everyone, I shall continue to steer well clear. So far she's not doing very well at all. She's just getting lost in the crowd a bit.
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Mar 13, 2015 00:01
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you can read the first two or three pages of atlas shrugged and get a feel for it - apart from galt's absurd speech, it's basically the same all the way, with no pacing or anything to speak of. i don't mind rand's prose, tbh, it works for what she wants it to even if she sounds evil and incredibly angry all the time. it is a mediocre novel apart from That Speech, which makes it bad. it's better than, like, fifty shades of grey, which is so shoddily written sentence-wise that i had to force myself to finish even the tiny bit i decided to read
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Mar 13, 2015 00:01
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Haha there's an audiobook version on YouTube, in 94 parts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjOkw8tSij0
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Mar 13, 2015 00:02
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big scary monsters posted:When someone says "Jeremy Clarkson is a bigoted prick" or "Jeremy Clarkson is a hero who says what everyone is thinking" I dont know that anyone says these things in real life, ever.
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Malcolm XML posted:lmao u can't understand how poo poo rand is until you've read through pages and pages of john galt's logorrhea As that is not something I ever wish to understand I will continue to not suffer through that and be happier for it. That sort of thing is what english teachers are for, they read boring things so I don't have to. Unless you're a student, in which case they make you read them too.
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stickyfngrdboy posted:I dont know that anyone says these things in real life, ever. They were just examples.
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Jeremy Clarkson is a close personal friend of David Cameron and Rebeca Brooks and he cried at Thatcher's funeral. His character is him just with the volume turned up.
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Mar 13, 2015 00:12
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big scary monsters posted:They were just examples. Examples... Of things people say, about Jeremy Clarkson?
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Mar 13, 2015 00:12
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Has anyone ever seen Clarkson out of character, though? When did he drop the mask and start expressing actual decent opinions? Certainly, a lot of the racism and general unpleasantness he's been pilloried for wasn't on-camera in front of a studio audience, and there seems to be little evidence that him taking a swing at a producer for serving him cold food was an elaborate publicity stunt. Sometimes, people really are the absurd, ghastly caricatures they seem to be. We're on Something Awful. We should know this.
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Mar 13, 2015 00:15
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PriorMarcus posted:So far she's not doing very well at all. She's just getting lost in the crowd a bit. Ian Hislop is giving her quite a hard time repeatedly.
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Mar 13, 2015 00:22
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Prince John posted:Ian Hislop is giving her quite a hard time repeatedly. She just manages to come across as even less of a leader than Ed does.
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Darth Walrus posted:Has anyone ever seen Clarkson out of character, though? When did he drop the mask and start expressing actual decent opinions? Certainly, a lot of the racism and general unpleasantness he's been pilloried for wasn't on-camera in front of a studio audience, and there seems to be little evidence that him taking a swing at a producer for serving him cold food was an elaborate publicity stunt. no, jeremy clarkson is such a good actor that he feels compelled to pretend to be a knobhead for years at a time, sometimes even when no one is watching!
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