Siivola posted:

Terry Pratchett has passed away.

Slimnoid posted:

PurpleXVI posted:

The pitch for Exalted is wonderful, if only the reality could be as good.

PurpleXVI posted:

I don't want to drag the argument here but... if you visit the 3E thread, that's not exactly something everyone agrees on. My personal opinion is that it's neither a step forward or a step backward, still poo poo, still roughly as poo poo, but poo poo of a slightly different flavour and texture, which is a shame, a drat shame, because as just about everyone can attest to: The pitch for Exalted is wonderful, if only the reality could be as good.

Yawgmoth posted:

I just wanna know if combat is still a nonsensical pile of overcomplicated bullshit or not.

Simian_Prime posted:

It is. It's a shame.

Brian Clevinger (Atomic Robo comic and Fate RPG) wrote an open letter a while back to the Ex3 developers hoping that they'd take a less complex, more intuitive approach to the rules; something more akin to Fate or *World. Their response was basically "Nah, we love overcomplicated bullshit."

TheTatteredKing posted:

Well we'll always have the time honored tradition of running X in Y ruleset.

Simian_Prime posted:

It is. It's a shame.

Brian Clevinger (Atomic Robo comic and Fate RPG) wrote an open letter a while back to the Ex3 developers hoping that they'd take a less complex, more intuitive approach to the rules; something more akin to Fate. Their response on rpg.net was basically "Nah, we love overcomplicated bullshit."

EDIT: Here's the letter

Simian_Prime posted:

It is. It's a shame.

Evil Mastermind posted:

That's why I have a copy of the Story-Games Names book.

Galaga Galaxian posted:

I find this link very useful.

Covok posted:

Seems you're right. I just assumed Shannon was a girl's name.

Evil Sagan posted:

I'm now realizing that none of my D&D campaigns have ever featured violent union disputes. That's a shame.

Yawgmoth posted:

Welp. Guess I can enjoy not having any desire to play Exalted still. Why can't they just add a sidebar/section for simpler combat like nWoD 2e did? In there you can have your powers with discrete effects and defenses and weapons etc ad infinitum if you like. Or you can just have everyone roll one time, make everything that might help/hider into a bonus/penalty for one side or the other, and move on with the game. I would probably pay for the books on principle if they had a "so here's how you use nWoD mechanics for Exalted combat" section.

Edit: "The main problem with EX3, as I see it from my admittedly distant post, is that no one told its developers that it’s not 2001 anymore." But then that's always been the problem, hasn't it.

Bedlamdan posted:

It might be best to just snatch the leak and come up with your own opinions on it, given that PurpleXVI unironically believes Exalted 2E's tick combat is good, rather than bad.

PurpleXVI posted:

Exalted 2E had its fair share of issues, plenty of them in combat, but I actually liked the tick mechanic. I always felt like it was one of the more natural ways to handle initiative.

So yes, please, attempt to state that all my opinions are irrelevant because I like one single mechanic.

Alien Rope Burn posted:

Honorable Mention For A Mechanic That Makes My Eyes Do A Barrel Roll:

Selective Pregnancy

TheTatteredKing posted:

Well I think I learned all I need to know about the game

PurpleXVI posted:

Exalted 2E had its fair share of issues, plenty of them in combat, but I actually liked the tick mechanic. I always felt like it was one of the more natural ways to handle initiative.

PurpleXVI posted:

But come now, then you'd miss out on the anti-fiat currency rant and the city where they produce superbabies via gangbangs, including accidental mega-CHUD's that they for some reason flushed into the sewers rather than kill.

PurpleXVI posted:

When Holden was in the 3E Exalted thread, people gave him constructive critique on Abyssals(it was related to the creepy as gently caress rape ghost charm tree they had, and I think still have), and his response was that he was legally barred from taking suggestions from people. I think trying to negotiate with the 3E Exalted devs is a lost cause.

TheTatteredKing posted:

Well I think I learned all I need to know about the game

NGDBSS posted:

Being legally barred from taking suggestions is actually fairly standard. The point is that if you take suggestions on some upcoming product, then there's apparently a legal gray area where those who made the suggestions have grounds for claiming a share of revenues/profits. This is why playtesting services will put up a boilerplate disclaimer disowning you of any right to make money based on having put in feedback, and why late night talk shows would either tell people to not send in their jokes or else they'd be property of that particular show.

Though what was going on with the anti-fiat currency rant? This sounds wonderful in the stupidest possible way.

quote:

In the case of most Threshold states, the central authority of the nation, or perhaps their provincial governors in the case of a fractious state, are the operator of the mints. A well- operated mint is a source of social stability and economic power. A mint striking coins made mostly of base metals, and forcing the currency into the economy by force of legal authority, is a sign of spendthrift or rapacious leadership. Debased coinage progressively strip-mines the wealth out of society to pad the budget of its owner.

The Empress did not like debased coinage, as she knew it was a gateway to political instability, which was ultimately her problem as Queen of Everything. It was also in any case hard to account for, as every debased coin has a separate real value. Threshold princes were accordingly held to minting at 95% purity or better by Imperial fiat. Assaying was done by a fearsome array of bound demons and Dragon-Blooded inspectors, and punishment was swift and horrible. As a result, the Threshold during the reign of the Empress featured a wide array of easily exchangeable, stable currencies, all easily counted and laid at the Empress’s feet. This standard was also accepted and promulgated by the Guild, who enforced it in the Scavenger Lands and throughout Creation.

Alien Rope Burn posted:

It was very much "Really? You need a merit to say your character doesn't spawn? Isn't that like, something you can't just work out around the table? Is that a preview of the new Sexual Combat rules, or what?"

Simian_Prime posted:

The tick mechanic was taken from Feng Shui (a lot of Exalted mechanics were basically a clumsy attempt to graft Feng Shui's innovations onto the Storyteller system). It worked ok for FS because the system didn't really have much in the way of moving parts, but once you started being able to manipulate the battle wheel with extra action Charms and weapon speeds it became a total clusterfuck.

Night10194 posted:

Wait. So Exalted was basically an attempt to remake Feng Shui in Storyteller? That explains a hell of a lot about its reputation.

Yawgmoth posted:

I would rather roll around naked in a nest of ticks than put up with combat ticks. They're right next to weapon speeds in the "poo poo mechanics that are always poo poo" bucket.

Honorable mention goes to having multiple kinds of "I move out of the way" stats.

Simian_Prime posted:

Geoff Grabowski, the 1e developer, was a writer for later FS books like Golden Comeback. The main influences he took from FS were the mook rules, stunt bonuses, and the trees for Fu Schticks that evolved into Charm trees.

Grabowski was gone by the time 2e rolled in, and the developers mistakenly thought "if *these* mechanics from FS work, then surely the battle wheel will!"