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Mange Mite posted:
I bet that gives the pilot eye cancer or something.
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# ? Apr 6, 2015 07:17 |
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This is the emotion-ring-inspired cyberpunk future I've been waiting for.
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# ? Apr 6, 2015 10:32 |
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Because of this thread I went out and got a copy of Pentagon Wars, the book, not the HBO movie. It's a pretty good read if not a bit dated. For example, the author holds Dick Cheney up as an adherent of sane defense acquisition and spending, as he wrote the book back when Cheney was the Secretary of Defense under the first President Bush and the US had just completed Desert Storm. One of the first chapters in the book talks at length about the formation of the "Fighter Mafia" which was basically a few Air Force and civilian government employees who saw the way the Air Force was approaching design and loving hated it. The Air Force was targeting high speed fighters when most plane to plane combat topped out at a little over the speed of sound. Because the planes were supposed to travel faster they needed more fuel, so they had to be bigger and therefore were heavier. Additionally, the Air Force insisted on using radar guided missiles as the main weapons when they had been less effective than guns in the Vietnam War and were super expensive and required more sensors and computer parts which also made the plane bigger. The Fighter Mafia was also infamous for using technology to design the plane but using mature, proven stuff inside it, so the F-16 used the same engine the F-15 used, for example. Too bad the Fighter Mafia, despite the success of the F-16 and A-10 which were basically initiatives taken up by those guys, were or are actively being ignored or defamed these days, hell from the Fighter Mafia Wikipedia page: An Upset Air Force Man posted:In retrospect, the group's greatest contribution was the promotion of E-M as a basis for evaluating and designing aircraft for air combat maneuvering.[1] At a time when the US military was seemingly obsessed with technological solutions, the Fighter Mafia acted as the opposite extreme from which a more balanced approach to fighter design would emerge. However, this can be seen as ultimately a defeat of the Fighter Mafia and its ideals. While this balanced approach would result in the highly successful F-15, F-15E, F-16, F/A-18 and F/A-18E/F, it did so at the betrayal of the Fighter Mafia's campaign for the US military to adopt a single-role, low-tech fighter in large numbers. Fun story about the F-16: It was designed to be a fighter and bomber, so not only does the article give credit to the Fighter Mafia for making really good planes, it tears them down because other people in the Air Force or at contractors decided to change designs and make things worse. Then it suggests the F-35 isn't a death trap.
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# ? Apr 7, 2015 01:42 |
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From other sources they still haven't solved the wing drop issue and the only way it looks like it can be lessened or done away with is by reducing its agility and removing the stealth angle. i'm not sure at what point this doesn't scream that this "plane" is a pile of poo poo...at this point i think they're just pushing it because "We already spent billions on it, scrapping it would be a waste!". Seems the problems are becoming more expensive and harder to fix as they crop up too. What a fuckin' mistake. Just buy some more f-18s and call it a day already quote:The F-35's radar-absorbent materials are designed to be more durable and less maintenance-intensive than those of its predecessors quote:Because the aircraft's shape is important to the radar cross-section (RCS), special care must be taken to match the "boilerplate" during production. Ground crews require Repair Verification Radar (RVR) test sets to verify the RCS after performing repairs, which is not a concern for non-stealth aircraft. It's easier to take care of, but not really.
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# ? Apr 7, 2015 21:45 |
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wtf is going on, are those fuel hoses?
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# ? Apr 7, 2015 21:47 |
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ethanol posted:wtf is going on, are those fuel hoses? Yes. Note that all of those aircraft are in the air and not falling apart or on fire, and that none of those aircraft are the F-35. If an F-35 wants to carry weapons without disrupting its stealth profile, it can carry a maximum of 1,360 kilograms, less than just one of the HMMVs that those helicopters are carrying two of each. Not saying that helicopters are better at air superiority than fighter planes, but they are more useful than a 22-ton plane that can't shoot or drop bombs.
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# ? Apr 7, 2015 21:57 |
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 00:39 |
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post ur tumblr e: Oh wait, he spammed the F35 thread as well as the Tumblr thread. Well, just consider that the $50 that moron wasted on this weren't nearly as wasted as the $163 billion cost overrun to date for the F35 program. Chamale fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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ethanol posted:wtf is going on, are those fuel hoses? Yes. Those aircraft (CH-53s) are in the process of refueling from that KC-130. This is an integral part of the US being able to bomb browns any time we want.
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 03:26 |
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Ignoring the basic flight problems, is the F-35 capable of beeing air refueld without compromising it's stealth characteristics? I remember reading that they had to reapply some of the toxic stealth paint every time they do maintenance to cover up the tiny gaps between the access panels and the hull... so I'd assume the same applies to the cover of the air-refueling system.
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 03:58 |
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It's entirely possible that they cocked it up, but it shouldn't be any more of a challenge than making the internal ordnance bay doors open and close without requiring maintenance afterward to maintain stealth.
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 04:03 |
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Feindfeuer posted:Ignoring the basic flight problems, is the F-35 capable of beeing air refueld without compromising it's stealth characteristics? I remember reading that they had to reapply some of the toxic stealth paint every time they do maintenance to cover up the tiny gaps between the access panels and the hull... so I'd assume the same applies to the cover of the air-refueling system. The STOVL version needs refueling literally minutes after a STO because the weight limit is so strict it barely carries enough fuel to make it up.
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Thump! posted:Yes. Those aircraft (CH-53s) are in the process of refueling from that KC-130. This is an integral part of the US being able to bomb browns any time we want. I just had no idea a plane could do two helicopters at the same time
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 04:39 |
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ethanol posted:I just had no idea a plane could do two helicopters at the same time Hey man, when you've got a million dollars...
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 04:40 |
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Lazyfire posted:Because of this thread I went out and got a copy of Pentagon Wars, the book, not the HBO movie. It's a pretty good read if not a bit dated. For example, the author holds Dick Cheney up as an adherent of sane defense acquisition and spending, as he wrote the book back when Cheney was the Secretary of Defense under the first President Bush and the US had just completed Desert Storm. Take whatever Sprey says with a grain of salt. If he had his way the F-16 would be flying with a $10 radar and two missiles. While he has some valid points about the F-35, you have to remember that he is a bitter old man that's mad that he isn't calling the shots.
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 05:16 |
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Pornographic Memory posted:It's entirely possible that they cocked it up, but it shouldn't be any more of a challenge than making the internal ordnance bay doors open and close without requiring maintenance afterward to maintain stealth. Oh God, the pilots are doomed.
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 05:44 |
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I'm hoping the internal bay door doesn't open without a software update planned for 2020 release.
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 05:45 |
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etalian posted:I'm hoping the internal bay door doesn't open without a software update planned for 2020 release. "Open the bomb bay doors, HAL". "I'm sorry Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that."
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 05:46 |
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In lockmart fashion the bomb bay can open but you can't close it without a future software patch.
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 05:47 |
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For real though why is the software for the gun taking 5 years or whatever it was. I mean programming the caret thing to help lead your bullets must be hard and all, but its also something every other plane with a HUD has enjoyed since day 1 in the 80s
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 06:19 |
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Perhaps like other things on this flying disaster, the existing software is so bloated that it consumes all available resources. If that is the case, maybe they think it will take 5 years to refine the existing software so that the statement TRIGGER_PULLED() { FireCannon(); } can be used.
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 06:53 |
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Feindfeuer posted:Ignoring the basic flight problems, is the F-35 capable of beeing air refueld without compromising it's stealth characteristics? I remember reading that they had to reapply some of the toxic stealth paint every time they do maintenance to cover up the tiny gaps between the access panels and the hull... so I'd assume the same applies to the cover of the air-refueling system. I'm pretty certain they can, after all the VTOL version has hatches that open to run the fans and intakes...and would serve as airbrakes till the doors sheered off by some retard trying to land in a hurry. HOORAH dud root posted:For real though why is the software for the gun taking 5 years or whatever it was. I mean programming the caret thing to help lead your bullets must be hard and all, but its also something every other plane with a HUD has enjoyed since day 1 in the 80s They come in planned stages. Mainly because there's over 8 billion lines of code in this turd already and the loving thing still can't keep the systems working, let alone adding a few billion more lines for the damned gun. It's kinda like Microsoft ME. They dump this poo poo OS on everyone, then start offering patches to try and fix the shittiness without ever fixing the shittiness but add a lot of buttfucking poo poo no one wants and makes it that much harder to use. I honestly wouldn't blame pilots for just getting frustrated flying this turd and pulling the eject handle while shouting "gently caress it, I'm out!". course they likely don't have the bail software in yet so the pilot will have to bail out WWII style (climb out of the thing and hope the wings/tail don't gently caress you up on the way past). SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Evil_Greven posted:Perhaps like other things on this flying disaster, the existing software is so bloated that it consumes all available resources. "Sweet, finally got the gun software, now I can fight without missiles!" *switches to gun mode, has to wait five minutes for it to load*
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 13:01 |
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Pornographic Memory posted:"Sweet, finally got the gun software, now I can fight without missiles!" Every time you try to fire a missile... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd4fj9Efl4s&t=62s
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Blistex posted:Every time you try to fire a missile... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd4fj9Efl4s&t=62s I thought you were going to post that video from the Simpsons. That is better in every way. This Hexyflexy fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Apr 8, 2015 |
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Pornographic Memory posted:"Sweet, finally got the gun software, now I can fight without missiles!" The plane gets a BSOD when the pilot tries to eject.
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PassTheRemote posted:The plane gets a BSOD when the pilot tries to eject. I think this actually happened to the f22
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 22:42 |
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Hexyflexy posted:I thought you were going to post that video from the Simpsons. That is better in every way. That clip shows an aircraft in flight.
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 22:58 |
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zedprime posted:The STOVL version needs refueling literally minutes after a STO because the weight limit is so strict it barely carries enough fuel to make it up. Mods, new thread name, please. "F35: It has trouble getting it up."
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 22:59 |
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Soylent Yellow posted:Mods, new thread name, please. "F35: Gives pilots trouble getting it up." Fixed.
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# ? Apr 8, 2015 23:03 |
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Blistex posted:Take whatever Sprey says with a grain of salt. If he had his way the F-16 would be flying with a $10 radar and two missiles. While he has some valid points about the F-35, you have to remember that he is a bitter old man that's mad that he isn't calling the shots. So he would have made an F-35 that flew and cost less than a quarter of what it does now? For perspective the Apollo program cost $206.4 billion in 2015 dollars. The Space Shuttle program cost $204.6 billion in 2015 dollars. Over its lifetime the F-35 is expected to cost nearly $400 billion dollars and each plane is going to cost in the range of $100 million. The plane has been in production for eight years now, and had its first flight in 2006. It's a giant money pit that will never be filled because there are still massive design issues that Lockheed is trying to hide by not performing tests. At this point the Air Force and Navy should just take the F135 engine and make a lower tech, lighter, faster plane and let the Marines have their STOVL machine.
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