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Fish's finest moment was last night, however, when she was walking through her prisoners, telling them what she was going to do to them, but telling Bullock "We're good."
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What was the point of Fish being shot in the helicopter?
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May 5, 2015 13:38
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TLG James posted:What was the point of Fish ... ? Who knows??
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May 5, 2015 13:53
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To make you hope she would bleed out while flying over the ocean and crash and burn
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May 5, 2015 14:47
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Man, that Dollmaker subplot could have been completely excised from the season and everything would have played out exactly the same. The entire thing could have easily just been "Fish leaves town for a couple of months, comes back during gang war."
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May 5, 2015 14:50
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TLG James posted:What was the point of Fish being shot in the helicopter? We honestly thought we had missed an episode because of how disjointed things were between the last time we saw Fish and her showing up with Selina last night. After the finale ended, I checked all the episode descriptions, but there wasn't anything else in between about Fish. 
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May 5, 2015 14:50
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Sith Happens posted:We honestly thought we had missed an episode because of how disjointed things were between the last time we saw Fish and her showing up with Selina last night. After the finale ended, I checked all the episode descriptions, but there wasn't anything else in between about Fish. Well she meets Selina while she's warming her hands like a hobo at the beginning of the episode. And she came in on a boat for some reason.
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May 5, 2015 14:56
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I'm ninety percent sure there's a lot of cut footage involving Fish and Cat, that should have appeared in episodes 20 and 21. Hell, the cold open this week felt like it should have been the final scene from 20, followed by the two characters bonding in 21. Probably would explain why we got two separate cold-opens this week. I largely liked Gotham, and thought that Fish and Jada Pinket-Smith were superb. The season did suffer massively from artificial enlongation, though. The only noteworthy events to happen between episode 14 and 22 were the stuff with Barbara, lil Wayne and Commissioner Loeb. Several of the characters get repetitive plots (Gordon owes Penguin a favour, Riddler takes out one of Kris Kringle's boyfriends, ect.) Everything else could have come straight out of the status quo from earlier. That said, I quite liked episodes 17 and 18. There's a good season buried somewhere in this show, but it involves trimming at least four episodes of content. I think the next season won't be hamstrung by having to artificially lengthen the show at the last moment, and will produce more material to my taste. Probably not to many other Goons, but I personally enjoy how entirely silly this show is. Stuff like Barbara the psychopath, or Loeb running around denying being in the pocket of thugs while standing right next to them, or Morenna Baccarin getting inappropriately excited and regressing to playing Famous Five, is right up my alley. And the show is impeccably cast, with actors giving impressive, quirky performances, even in small, bit-part roles (I think Erin Richards has gotten a lot of undeserved hate, she was excellent in Being Human and Misfits, and the character she's playing here is all over the place, but she's not). Frankly, the ensemble cast is one of the best going around right now, and is stronger than several other more popular shows I could name. (Okay, I'm mostly thinking of the Flash). No weak links, many impressive ones.
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May 5, 2015 15:00
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Wow, Jada Pinkett-Smith's décolletage was...distracting this episode.
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May 5, 2015 15:22
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Finally, Barbara becomes interesting. loving finally. Now I'll wait and see if that goes anywhere further in season 2. Sith Happens posted:We honestly thought we had missed an episode because of how disjointed things were between the last time we saw Fish and her showing up with Selina last night. Also, what the hell was up with Butch? They acted like he was under some kind of hypnosis, or mind control, or brainwashing or something that made him artificially loyal to Penguin. Was that a thing that happened on-screen at some point, or was at least mentioned in some way, and I just missed it?
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May 5, 2015 15:44
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Victor Zsasz captured Butch at one point and did some pretty bad stuff to him off screen. This is what programmed him to be loyal to Penguin, despite him betraying Fish earlier.
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May 5, 2015 15:53
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Last night's episode
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May 5, 2015 15:57
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Speaking of Leob, was that him dressed up as the old woman with a dog in the elevator, or I am having Bosom Buddies flashbacks?
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Robot Hobo posted:entering the city through the mist on a rowboat (Mortal Kombaaaat!), It seems to me that was supposed to be more of a reference to Charon's ferryboat over the river Styx.
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May 5, 2015 16:19
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That's the kind of season finale you make when you aren't expecting to get renewed. I'm anxiously hoping for a .gif of Thompkins re-securing the floorboards with Barbara's head.
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#NextSeasonOnGotham *A mysterious new bad guy in a mask shows up in Gotham, and Bullock gets a new hat! *Young Poison Ivy has a scene where she buys a plant; the writers sit back and call it a day *GORDON: Dammit Harvey, if we don't do this people will die! *BULLOCK: Savin' lives ain't our job! *GORDON: Uh
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May 5, 2015 18:05
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With Arkham Asylum being up-and-running again as of the middle of season 1, I'm hoping that they take a page from the Arkham games and bring in a 30-something Hugo Strange as the big-bad for season 2. He'd be a great fit, his experiments on inmates could be a handy way to get some more crazy villains onto the streets, and that would put him in an appropriate age-range to still be hassling Batman years later.gtkor posted:Victor Zsasz captured Butch at one point and did some pretty bad stuff to him off screen. This is what programmed him to be loyal to Penguin, despite him betraying Fish earlier.
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May 5, 2015 18:11
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If it helps you believe Zsasz doing something like that, he pretty much tortures Butch into being a pet. There's some really hosed up poo poo going on under Butch's suit I bet. Wouldn't surprise me if in S2 it's revealed he was turned into a eunuch.
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May 5, 2015 18:27
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MacheteZombie posted:If it helps you believe Zsasz doing something like that, he pretty much tortures Butch into being a pet. There's some really hosed up poo poo going on under Butch's suit I bet. Wouldn't surprise me if in S2 it's revealed he was turned into a eunuch. They Reek'd him?
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May 5, 2015 18:30
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bobkatt013 posted:They Reek'd him? That's what I think, if Gotham was on HBO then it totally would have been that scene.
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May 5, 2015 18:31
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MacheteZombie posted:That's what I think, if Gotham was on HBO then it totally would have been that scene. If Gotham was on HBO it could have been close to his other show - Rome. We could have gotten Bullock and Gordon in a gladiator pit. 13thhh
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May 5, 2015 18:46
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I thought that Butch was going to shoot himself instead of both Fish and Penguin.
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MacheteZombie posted:That's what I think, if Gotham was on HBO then it totally would have been that scene. And the Dollmaker sews Butch's cut off dick onto Fish. This is somehow symbolism.
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32MB OF ESRAM posted:And the Dollmaker sews Butch's cut off dick onto Fish. This is somehow symbolism. Please Fish doesn't need anything sewn on her. She's already packing the biggest balls on the show.
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May 5, 2015 19:34
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Robot Hobo posted:Selina's main character trait is that she's so totally independent, yet suddenly she's down for being Fish's lackey and apparently happy to kill the one cop she gets along with? It seemed kind of impossible that there wasn't at least one full episode's worth of events between point A and point B there that I had missed... but apparently not. I think this was the thing that bugged me most about the episode. I hated the Selina character at first, buy I grew to like her as she got more developed and moved beyond the "I like cats" catchphrases that she always uttered in the first few episodes. Then, suddenly for the finale, it's like all the worst writers got together and totally ignored anything that happened with her character, besides the fact that she likes cats.
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May 5, 2015 19:57
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twistedmentat posted:That gun fight was pretty awesome. Gordon headshotting then guy with his own pistol was clever. That was some John Wick poo poo right there. (Go see John Wick)
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May 5, 2015 20:09
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imperialparadox posted:I think this was the thing that bugged me most about the episode. I hated the Selina character at first, buy I grew to like her as she got more developed and moved beyond the "I like cats" catchphrases that she always uttered in the first few episodes. Then, suddenly for the finale, it's like all the worst writers got together and totally ignored anything that happened with her character, besides the fact that she likes cats. I don't know, her rubbing up to Fish like a cat was pretty  and got laughs out of me and my girlfriend.
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TLG James posted:Well she meets Selina while she's warming her hands like a hobo at the beginning of the episode. And she came in on a boat for some reason. I keep thinking the following: Without the Dollmaker plot we could have had Fish secretly vanishing by boat and secretly returns by boat about 7 episodes later with a new look and a new crew. She wouldn't have had to be completely gone, we could have spent something like 5 minutes per episode of a shorter season showing Fish with gradually acquiring a crappy street gang in something like Bludhaven and finally coming back in the finale thinking she could seize power there in the chaos. I also really didn't like how the episode just seemed to try to find ways to close out the stories of the mob leaders, either. However, my word, that Nygma reveal was great. Barbara's turn in this episode was fun, too.
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I liked it.  Please stay dead, Fish. Babs.  I certainly wasn't expecting that.
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mcbexx posted:That was some John Wick poo poo right there. Also watch last weeks Agents of SHIELD for a shootout sequence that would have fit right in with John Wick.
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Rarity posted:And everyone said it was dumb that she was into the Ogre's fetish murder room Batshit crazy Barbara was great. I wonder if they cast Erin Richards to play her based on that one scene (and maybe future planned crazy in season 2) and then just forgot to check if she could bring any life to the character for the 21.9 episodes prior to that scene.
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Robot Hobo posted:Batshit crazy Barbara was great. I wonder if they cast Erin Richards to play her based on that one scene (and maybe future planned crazy in season 2) and then just forgot to check if she could bring any life to the character for the 21.9 episodes prior to that scene. Pretty sure it went like this: Producer: Erin, this character just isn't working. Everyone hates her! Is there anything else you can bring to the table? Erin: Producer: ...Well ok then
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:Also watch last weeks Agents of SHIELD for a shootout sequence that would have fit right in with John Wick. Daisy Johnson and James Gordon team up to take out the Anti-monitor. And yea, Selena's turn was really confusing. She has always been independent, and was very clear she didn't want to tie herself down, but for some reason Fish had her lock and stock. Maybe it was a promise of glory and fortune, but it still seems out of character.
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I'm just going to repost this so we can all remember Jada Pinkett Smith's finest moment as Fish Moony: Need a gif of this mixed with Babs getting head-slammed into the floor by Dr. Newchick.
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Davros1 posted:Speaking of Leob, was that him dressed up as the old woman with a dog in the elevator, or I am having Bosom Buddies flashbacks? Quoting myself, but this is a serious question. When Gordon, Falcone, and Bullock got on the elevator to Babs' apt, was that old woman Peter Scolari in drag?
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I hope that while unconscious, Barbara is haunted by the ghosts of her parents clucking,"Couldn't even do that right, huh Babs?"
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I was just thinking that Loeb won't be Commissioner much longer. He sided with Moroni against Falcone and personally showed up to the hospital with hitmen to try to get rid of Gordon, who straight up helped Falcone and earned his gratitude and respect.
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tarlibone posted:Need a gif of this mixed with Babs getting head-slammed into the floor by Dr. Newchick. I've been referring to her internally as Inara. I guess because I'm an rear end in a top hat; I've seen Morena Baccarin in tons of poo poo since then but that's the role that sticks. But yeah, that scene was great. When they opened the door to Lee pounding Barbara into the floor, I thought they were going to create some bullshit drama around the ambiguity over who attacked whom. When everyone accepted that "your ex is loving psychotic," I was thrilled. Because obviously. Barbara was edging crazy *before* being kidnapped by the Marquis de Gotham. There's no question she went insane and tried to murder someone.
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Xealot posted:But yeah, that scene was great. When they opened the door to Lee pounding Barbara into the floor, I thought they were going to create some bullshit drama around the ambiguity over who attacked whom. Yeah I was so pleased about that - both because it was nice that Lee didn't need a man to save her, and that everybody was just like,"Well sure Barbara was at fault, it's Barbara!" They didn't even blink at the idea 
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