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Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Sour Diesel posted:

there was a ds9 ep about this

Yeah that's what made me ask. It was kiiinda about that in the sense that Kira told Quark to gently caress right off but it scratched the surface and didn't go farther. Like, is it strictly illegal? Say it's not Kira and it's just some random person using a holosuite so Quark can scan you without being a creepo hiding with a camera about it. Then he uses that holoimage in a sex program.

Is that illegal? Rape? Super creepy yeah but is it even unethical? Presumably it's just your image; not your personality or even you in any sense of the word. Seems like if we ever have VR sex programs it's gonna be an issue we will have to tackle at some point.

I guess if there's no consent given to scan and save your holoimage then it becomes stealing or virtual sexual harassment or something.


oldpainless posted:

They can't not consent!

I have no arch and I must end program.

Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 21:35 on May 26, 2015

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Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020

Moridin920 posted:

is it rape to holoscan people and then later gently caress their virtual selves

Reminder that Geordi used a holoscan of a prominent female Starfleet engineer as his fantasy pseudo-girlfriend, and when the real engineer found out and took offense he told her that it was his way of reaching out to her.

We're supposed to take his side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2hN8kA0YSE

Fetus Tree
Feb 2, 2003
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Pththya-lyi posted:

Reminder that Geordi used a holoscan of a prominent female Starfleet engineer as his fantasy pseudo-girlfriend, and when the real engineer found out and took offense he told her that it was his way of reaching out to her.

We're supposed to take his side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2hN8kA0YSE

who says we're supposed to take his side

Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec
I remember that it was apparently a huge crime to walk in on someone while on the holodeck but I guess it was okay to do that if it was Barclay in there.

Fetus Tree
Feb 2, 2003
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you think it had anything to do with dereliction of duty and disobeying orders?

Sour Diesel
Jan 30, 2010

broccoli's late again


alright gently caress it ima show the entire staff his browser history

Fetus Tree
Feb 2, 2003
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Sour Diesel posted:

broccoli's late again


alright gently caress it ima show the entire staff his browser history

im pretty sure entire staff is his mental health professional, chief physician, and commanding officer in this case.

they should have just thrown him in the loving brig though, agreed

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Entropic posted:

TNG and Voyager had the dumbest pseudo-"moral dilemma" episodes. Janeway and Picard are always all "Hmmmm, do we let this planet full of billions of sapient beings get obliterated, or do we break some arbitrary starfleet regulation? Gosh this is quite the pickle of a moral quandary for sure."

The funniest loving episode of TNG is the one with Worf's brother trying to convince them to help a bunch of people about to be obliterated in a planet-wide apocalypse. He even comes up with a plan to do it so they wouldn't even know it was done and everything, win/win, and the crew is like "Nope!"

Then they all stand there on the bridge and watch the planet die because gently caress yeah, front row seats!

... to top it all off his plan works except for one guy who figures it out and kills himself (Yeah, ONE dude) and they still exile him for being some kind of criminal because.. uh.. helping people who don't know how to make warp drives is terrible don't you know? They could have literally saved ten times as many people if they hadn't been dicks too. The only tension in the entire episode is because one guy had to do it by himself without anyone's help so it's a little broken.

ED: What's hilarious is if those people had been Romulans they would have gone out of their way to save them even though that always ends in betrayal every single time.

Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 21:58 on May 26, 2015

Fetus Tree
Feb 2, 2003
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tbh i agree with the prime directive. what if some aliens had decided to save all the dinosaurs and they ate all the apes that we came from? idiots.

DarkMalfunction
Sep 5, 2014

Blazing Ownager posted:

The funniest loving episode of TNG is the one with Worf's brother trying to convince them to help a bunch of people about to be obliterated in a planet-wide apocalypse. He even comes up with a plan to do it so they wouldn't even know it was done and everything, win/win, and the crew is like "Nope!"

Then they all stand there on the bridge and watch the planet die because gently caress yeah, front row seats!

... to top it all off his plan works except for one guy who figures it out and kills himself (Yeah, ONE dude) and they still exile him for being some kind of criminal because.. uh.. helping people who don't know how to make warp drives is terrible don't you know? They could have literally saved ten times as many people if they hadn't been dicks too.

ED: What's hilarious is if those people had been Romulans they would have gone out of their way to save them even though that always ends in betrayal every single time.

Prime Directive though: How do we know that the race he saved won't eventually develop warp drive and enslave the entire Galaxy? If Nikolai had just gone out and grabbed a beer and a blunt and watched that planet get destroyed from Ten-Forward, the Alpha Quadrant would be saved.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Pththya-lyi posted:

Reminder that Geordi used a holoscan of a prominent female Starfleet engineer as his fantasy pseudo-girlfriend, and when the real engineer found out and took offense he told her that it was his way of reaching out to her.

We're supposed to take his side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2hN8kA0YSE

Yeah, she was like 99% positive he'd hosed her holo-self, too. Dunno if he actually did or not (lol) but she thought he did which is effectively the same thing in terms of her reaction and later her getting over it.

Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 22:15 on May 26, 2015

raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice
I'm still trying to figure out how the holodeck made Torres holopregnant one time. Even by Star Trek standards that's a stretch.

Fetus Tree
Feb 2, 2003
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GrumpyDoctor posted:

I'm still trying to figure out how the holodeck made Torres holopregnant one time. Even by Star Trek standards that's a stretch.

if you can replicate pizza you can replicate sperm

FeculentWizardTits
Aug 31, 2001

Pththya-lyi posted:

Reminder that Geordi used a holoscan of a prominent female Starfleet engineer as his fantasy pseudo-girlfriend, and when the real engineer found out and took offense he told her that it was his way of reaching out to her.

We're supposed to take his side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2hN8kA0YSE

My favorite part is when she tries to leave the rape dungeon and he actually physically blocks her. You know, so he can prove to her how creepy he isn't.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


You'd think the holodeck would have rules about replicating real people without their permission.

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muscles like this? posted:

You'd think the holodeck would have rules about replicating real people without their permission.

you'd think that a starfleet engineer would be able to get around them even if they did

Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec
For $20 you can get the cookbook Neelix wrote.
http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Cookbook-Ethan-Phillips/dp/0671000225/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1432678764&sr=8-1&keywords=star+trek+cookbook

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

muscles like this? posted:

You'd think the holodeck would have rules about replicating real people without their permission.

To tie this back in to the earlier holodeck conversation: instead of having the holodeck simulate the engine designer and then have her come up with ideas Geordi could presumably have just gone

"Computer download all files about [forgot her name]. Computer, come up with solution to this problem I'm having with the engine."

Oh right but he's got to collaborate with her right (fapfapfap).

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012

My incredible goodposting transcends time and space but still it cannot transform the xbone into a good console.
Lipstick Apathy

Oh boy, that was the thing I wondered most about Voyager, what did Neelix's tasty meals taste like I bet it's like jambilaya.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks

muscles like this? posted:

You'd think the holodeck would have rules about replicating real people without their permission.

lol if you think any Star Trek writer ever thought for more than 2 seconds about the societal implications of any of the dumb technology they made up for a plot.

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIw690VGt70

Fetus Tree
Feb 2, 2003
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Entropic posted:

lol if you think any Star Trek writer ever thought for more than 2 seconds about the societal implications of any of the dumb technology they made up for a plot.

they did because often times that comes into play, like using the holodeck to transport indigenous peoples against their will.

Endless Trash
Aug 12, 2007


muscles like this? posted:

You'd think the holodeck would have rules about replicating real people without their permission.

Geordi or someone mentions that rule being a thing in Hollow Pursuits so yeah Star Trek is still 100% consistent everybody stand down red alert.

opus111
Jul 6, 2014

its a TV show.

Hector Beerlioz
Jun 16, 2010

aw, hec
Dinner time!

yum!

mmmm!

delicious food cubes!

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012

My incredible goodposting transcends time and space but still it cannot transform the xbone into a good console.
Lipstick Apathy
Every time jambalaya is an option for me to eat, I order it or scoop some into a bowl and make eye contact with everyone and say: "Jam-Ba-Lay-A!" and make knowing looks and winks and then I start talking about the Prophets.

:smug:jambalaya:smug:

Ein cooler Typ
Nov 26, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
in Hollow Pursuits Riker says that creating your crewmates in the holodeck and loving them is against Starfleet Regulations but then Troi corrects him and says actually there is no such regulation. Riker says there ought to be a rule against it

I don't know why; there's no victim (besides holograms but those don't count)

CAPT. Rainbowbeard
Apr 5, 2012

My incredible goodposting transcends time and space but still it cannot transform the xbone into a good console.
Lipstick Apathy
I guess we are relatively lucky that all the sentient holographic fuckslaves have been as adult as a hologram program that was literally just created can be.

No kiddie child hologram porn, is what I'm saying. There is an Aatrek joke here somewhere I suppose.

CAPT. Rainbowbeard fucked around with this message at 02:21 on May 27, 2015

The Whole Internet
May 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

Fetus Tree posted:

tbh i agree with the prime directive. what if some aliens had decided to save all the dinosaurs and they ate all the apes that we came from? idiots.

that sounds awesome

i bet sentient dinosaurs would be way cooler than we are. we're gonna be totally lame when we make it to space.

counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:

I guess we are relatively lucky that all the sentient holographic fuckslaves have been as adult as a hologram program that was literally just created can be.

No kiddie child hologram porn, is what I'm saying. There is an Aatrek joke here somewhere I suppose.

I bet quark has a nice selection for you to choose from. For a reasonable fee, of course.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Sentient dinosaurs were bureaucratic and mostly obsessed with doctrine and had no eye for fashion.

They were a pretty big disappointment.

Fetus Tree
Feb 2, 2003
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id like to pump a holographic gently caress slave full of semen and then end program and watch it all splat on the floor from a few feet up lol

The Whole Internet
May 26, 2010

by FactsAreUseless

Entropic posted:

TNG and Voyager had the dumbest pseudo-"moral dilemma" episodes. Janeway and Picard are always all "Hmmmm, do we let this planet full of billions of sapient beings get obliterated, or do we break some arbitrary starfleet regulation? Gosh this is quite the pickle of a moral quandary for sure."

On Enterprise, they chose "yeah let 'em die" as their answer, making the show's moral quandary episodes even dumber.

Ein cooler Typ
Nov 26, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
That's because on Enterprise they didn't yet have some sort of.....directive.... to tell them how to act

Fetus Tree
Feb 2, 2003
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its funny how enterprise is the best trek and almost nobody knows it

Ein cooler Typ
Nov 26, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
I'm watching through all of Enterprise for the first time


the Xindi arc was cool


I'm almost finished now


Terra Prime seems like a thinly veiled allegory to demonize people who care about racial purity




what do I do with my life once I'm finished watching every Star Trek ep?

Fetus Tree
Feb 2, 2003
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stargate

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Babylon 5

Then Babylon 5 Crusade

Then you really hate yourself.

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opus111
Jul 6, 2014

Ein cooler Typ posted:

I'm watching through all of Enterprise for the first time


the Xindi arc was cool


I'm almost finished now


Terra Prime seems like a thinly veiled allegory to demonize people who care about racial purity




what do I do with my life once I'm finished watching every Star Trek ep?

you begin the cycle anew.

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