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 — Important offseason dates: quote:June 25 - 2015 NBA Draft — Draft thread here. — Mark Jackson, human poo poo: quote:Kerr overhauled a team culture that had grown poisonous, for well-documented reasons, under Jackson and his assistants. In his zeal to motivate players, Jackson fostered resentment among them and toward the front office. He fired two assistants, requested Jerry West stay away from practices, and asked a younger front-office official to stop rebounding for players, sources have said. morestuff fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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Jun 17, 2015 16:48
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That Ezeli thing is so hosed up
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Jun 17, 2015 16:49
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Wow, eat poo poo Mark. That's awful.
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Jun 17, 2015 16:52
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What does that even accomplish? Its going to blow up in your face, that is why you use someone either outside the franchise or who isn't there enough to defend themselves. Picking a player who is going to come back is just dumb.
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Jun 17, 2015 16:54
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I'm still reading but this had me dying in laughter:quote:Erman didn’t know much about Thompson when the 2011 lockout lifted and he could finally work out Golden State’s newest first-round pick. They started with a simple shooting drill, Erman recalls: Pick a spot around the arc, and don’t move until you miss. Thompson made 11 in a row from one corner, eight from the wing, and 20 straight from the top of the key. “I was like, ‘Who is this motherfucker?’” Erman remembers. “I texted Bob [Myers] right away: ‘This guy is good.’”
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Jun 17, 2015 16:56
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From last thread.Lockback posted:Cleveland also looked better in the playoffs than they did in the regular season. I think GSW was still the better team, but I think the series would have been tighter in general, and it was already a surprisingly tight series. It was, but less so in the last few games, and Cleveland slowing things down to an absurd degree (which they wouldn't have with everyone healthy) made it a lot closer than it looked. They also kinda accidentally stumbled on a defense that gave the Warriors fits for a couple games (I imagine Curry in particular would have started going off a lot sooner with Kyrie on him, although obviously they'd give more back at the other end). I absolutely agree that at full strength they had a better chance to win but they'd have also lost some of the stuff they did that gave the Warriors issues, and ultimately Golden State was still a better team all year long.
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Jun 17, 2015 16:58
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From last thread as well (I was replying when it got locked) re: Gambling on MVP My buddy texted me on Sunday saying he saw the line move on Iguodala MVP and thought about putting $100 on it because "the award will go to the guy who guards Lebron", but didn't. He texted me this morning loving killing himself over it.
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Jun 17, 2015 16:59
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Also I am stunned that the man who once tried to convince teammates that John Stockton should be benched might have attempted to sow locker room discord
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Jun 17, 2015 17:03
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But is Mark Jackson worse than Tim Donaghy? I was thinking of something today: in his interview, he said that when he was in prison, he was forced to join a white power prison gang for protection. Then I thought about the fact that since he was in prison for gambling, he was probably sent to a relatively easy prison. And indeed, he was at the Penascola Federal Prison Camp (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Pensacola) which is apparently the second "cushiest" Federal Prison in the country. It is mostly where inside traders, grafters and fraudsters go. In other words, I don't really know if there would be a lot of stock brokers getting white power tattoos while serving 12 month sentences for cheating on their taxes. Just seems another example of Donaghy lying.
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Jun 17, 2015 17:04
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That makes me feel really bad for Ezeli but now he has a championship and Jackson doesn't  Gratz to everyone who wanted to Warriors to win and especially Draymond Green's mom who's tweets I enjoyed and Iggy Finals MVP https://vine.co/v/ebEtdHmxzM2
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Jun 17, 2015 17:06
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Two things: 1) Eventually, Donaghy admitted what he did was wrong. Jackson, to my knowledge has not. 2) You guys think Toronto can get value with their 20th overall pick, or should they move the pick for an asset or try to move up?
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Jun 17, 2015 17:09
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glowing-fish posted:But is Mark Jackson worse than Tim Donaghy? I imagine even the "nice" federal prision is still pretty lovely.
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Jun 17, 2015 17:17
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Mark Jackson hates it when his centers gets hurt. Makes him think they are conspiring pansies
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Jun 17, 2015 17:31
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WhyteRyce posted:Mark Jackson hates it when his centers gets hurt. Makes him think they are conspiring pansies If Bogut's twitter is any indication that was a mutual feeling.
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Jun 17, 2015 17:32
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Two things: Depends on what Toronto needs
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Jun 17, 2015 17:40
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Toronto needs some post scoring to fix up their stagnant offense. Sacramento could be convinced to part with Carl Landry for the 20th overall, but you'll need to throw in something else to sweeten it
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Jun 17, 2015 17:42
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WhyteRyce posted:Toronto needs some post scoring to fix up their stagnant offense. Sacramento could be convinced to part with Carl Landry for the 20th overall, but you'll need to throw in something else to sweeten it Seriously, I don't even know if Carl Landry still plays for Sacramento or if at this point you'll still be offering him for trade years after his retirement.
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Jun 17, 2015 17:44
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What would realistically need to happen for Cleveland to not make the NBA finals next year? Anything short of a LeBron injury?
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Jun 17, 2015 17:45
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I woke up this morning and all the news places still say that the Warriors won. It'll be another couple of days before I'm convinced that this is real, and not just a fever dream induced by huffing the stench of failure that has hovered over this team for my whole life.
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Jun 17, 2015 17:45
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WhyteRyce posted:Toronto needs some post scoring to fix up their stagnant offense. Sacramento could be convinced to part with Carl Landry for the 20th overall, but you'll need to throw in something else to sweeten it Trading a first rounder for old, bad, broken Carl Landry would be incredibly stupid. Terry Glenn posted:What would realistically need to happen for Cleveland to not make the NBA finals next year? Two words. giannis antetokounmpo.
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Jun 17, 2015 17:47
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Metapod posted:Depends on what Toronto needs I'd really like to see either Carroll or Millsap but it obviously depends on whether Carroll can fetch $50mill for 4 years. DeMarre&DeMar though?  Also JV needs to learn to take out the trash in the paint or get somebody who can
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Jun 17, 2015 17:55
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Terry Glenn posted:What would realistically need to happen for Cleveland to not make the NBA finals next year? Thabo gets a NY concealed weapons permit and hires 5 body guards.
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Jun 17, 2015 17:58
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From the last thread, where MourningView said something about Wiggins not being a good player now and will take like 3 seasons to become one. I would counter that Wiggins's rookie season looks an awful lot to me like Lebron's first season in that they were both relatively inefficient scorers on plays that rookies rarely get opportunities in volume. Also that Wiggins wasn't really an iso type player in college and had to transition into one on the fly, looking pretty good doing it. My bet is that by next season he is going to be loving defenders up regularly, especially if the team can get maybe more than one guy who can shoot on the roster.
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Jun 17, 2015 18:08
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So the Wolves and Lynx are showing off the new Mayo Clinic Sports Medicine center where they'll now practice and rehab and stuff. I pray for some Suns like voodoo to keep Rubio healthy.
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Jun 17, 2015 18:17
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Terry Glenn posted:What would realistically need to happen for Cleveland to not make the NBA finals next year? LeBron...injury?!?
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Jun 17, 2015 18:17
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soggybagel posted:So the Wolves and Lynx are showing off the new Mayo Clinic Sports Medicine center where they'll now practice and rehab and stuff. I pray for some Suns like voodoo to keep Rubio healthy. Anthony Bennett is going to arrive on the first day of practice really early and be sorely disappointed.
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Jun 17, 2015 18:27
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Terry Glenn posted:What would realistically need to happen for Cleveland to not make the NBA finals next year? Cavs meet Boston in the playoffs again next year and this time Olynyk rips LeBron's arm out of its socket?
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Jun 17, 2015 18:29
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Terry Glenn posted:What would realistically need to happen for Cleveland to not make the NBA finals next year? We could see a team make the jump. Miami might through some free agency wizardry be a contender again. Depends a lot on the free agents outside of a team like the Bucks all improving though. I don't think we'll see a lot of actual movement of free agents like Marc Gasol but thaty could change the complexion of the Eastern Conference, if most of them decide to go East. We could see Chicago improve ala GS, along with Rose staying healthy. Maybe Thibs was actually holding back the offense.
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Jun 17, 2015 18:29
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dokmo posted:From the last thread, where MourningView said something about Wiggins not being a good player now and will take like 3 seasons to become one. I would counter that Wiggins's rookie season looks an awful lot to me like Lebron's first season in that they were both relatively inefficient scorers on plays that rookies rarely get opportunities in volume. Also that Wiggins wasn't really an iso type player in college and had to transition into one on the fly, looking pretty good doing it. My bet is that by next season he is going to be loving defenders up regularly, especially if the team can get maybe more than one guy who can shoot on the roster. I also said he was going to eventually be really good and I've always been a big fan of his as a prospect. It might be a little sooner, but I'd rather have Love if my window to win a title was the next few years. Wiggins had a strong rookie year and has the potential to be great, he's just not there yet because he's still super young. Being less valuable than one of the best offensive players in the league isn't a huge knock. He wasn't a huge iso guy in college but that's mostly because he was super reluctant to do it, not because that wasn't where his strengths were. He wasn't good at playing off the ball either. When he did look good in the halfcourt it was when he got assertive and did most of the creating for himself (especially in the post, which is his biggest strength as a rookie too), he just didn't do that very often.
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Jun 17, 2015 18:31
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Terry Glenn posted:What would realistically need to happen for Cleveland to not make the NBA finals next year? I think they have maybe the widest range of possibilities of any NBA team, but Chicago has a good chance of mixing it up with Cleveland, especially as I expect Mirotic will be a lot better with another season under his belt. Edge would go to Cleveland, even with the inevitable Kyrie health problems, but I don't think its inevitable.
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Jun 17, 2015 18:36
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MourningView posted:I also said he was going to eventually be really good and I've always been a big fan of his as a prospect. It might be a little sooner, but I'd rather have Love if my window to win a title was the next few years. Wiggins had a strong rookie year and has the potential to be great, he's just not there yet because he's still super young. Being less valuable than one of the best offensive players in the league isn't a huge knock. You are right he is bad off-the-ball, and in particular he needs to learn how to react and make the right pass when plays break down. Through most of this year if he ended up in a play where he didn't have a very good look, pretty much the only thing he could do is pass it out to reset, instead of looking to make a play for someone else. He has good handles and a nice touch on his passes, but he doesn't see how plays develop very well yet. That would be a killer on a contending team.
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Jun 17, 2015 18:41
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MourningView posted:I also said he was going to eventually be really good and I've always been a big fan of his as a prospect. It might be a little sooner, but I'd rather have Love if my window to win a title was the next few years. Wiggins had a strong rookie year and has the potential to be great, he's just not there yet because he's still super young. Being less valuable than one of the best offensive players in the league isn't a huge knock. People seem really really down on Love after one year. Like before he went to Cleveland lots of people would've considered him a top 10 player (and top 5 before that), and suddenly people seem to think he's just average. He doesn't do the things that Bosh did in Miami (especially not the defense), but he's still a great player. And isn't Wiggins's shot kinda busted? It just seems that for any wing player to be successful now they either need to have exceptional ballhandling/penetration, or have a good outside shot. I'll admit I didn't see much of him at all this year. And it was probably talked to death in the last thread but Iggy getting the MVP was probably one of the worst I've seen.
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Jun 17, 2015 18:47
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Lockback posted:You are right he is bad off-the-ball, and in particular he needs to learn how to react and make the right pass when plays break down. Through most of this year if he ended up in a play where he didn't have a very good look, pretty much the only thing he could do is pass it out to reset, instead of looking to make a play for someone else. He has good handles and a nice touch on his passes, but he doesn't see how plays develop very well yet. That would be a killer on a contending team. Yeah if you squint you can see some Early LeBronish stuff as a scorer and athlete, but LeBron had that amazing court vision going all the way back to high school to the point that people kept wanting him to play point guard early on. alansmithee posted:And isn't Wiggins's shot kinda busted? It just seems that for any wing player to be successful now they either need to have exceptional ballhandling/penetration, or have a good outside shot. I'll admit I didn't see much of him at all this year. It's not great yet but it got better later in the year and I think he has solid form. He's not going to be a great shooter, but I think he'll get to the point where he's a servicable enough one for his other strengths to really shine. It'll just take a bit. MourningView fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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Jun 17, 2015 18:47
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MourningView posted:Being less valuable than one of the best offensive players in the league isn't a huge knock. The fact that Wiggins is really good now, really young and improving daily, and on a rookie contract makes him super valuable. The Cavs could have got much more for him. You may be right that Love may have been the best way for them to win now, but I'm not so sure. If they got a player like Ryan Anderson instead of Love would that have affected their championship probabilities that much? The only way trading Wiggins away for Love looks good is if it was a condition of LeBron coming to Cleveland in the first place, which maybe it was.
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Jun 17, 2015 18:48
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Klay Thompson in a nutshellquote:When he agreed last fall to a near-max contract extension, he wanted to sign it right away, even before his agent arrived, team officials recall. His dog, Rocco, was home alone, and Thompson wanted to go play with him.
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Jun 17, 2015 18:51
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dokmo posted:The fact that Wiggins is really good now, really young and improving daily, and on a rookie contract makes him super valuable. The Cavs could have got much more for him. You may be right that Love may have been the best way for them to win now, but I'm not so sure. If they got a player like Ryan Anderson instead of Love would that have affected their championship probabilities that much? The only way trading Wiggins away for Love looks good is if it was a condition of LeBron coming to Cleveland in the first place, which maybe it was. I am almost positive that getting Love (or someone like that, but Love was the best guy available at the time) was a condition of him coming back. I think Love's ceiling is a lot higher than Andersons and they will probably eventually figure out a way to use him a bit better in the pick and roll. It takes teams some time to adjust to playing together, Miami didn't really find their offensive identity right away either. I think he was the best player they could realistically get. Outside of Wiggins did they have a ton of great trade assets? Maybe Thompson I guess. Wiggins seems like a really bad fit next to LeBron to me. Going somewhere that forces him to have the ball in his hands a lot seems like the best place for, otherwise it'd play to his tendency to just kinda drift around, and he'd be asked to learn how to do stuff that he's not especially good at (like knock down open threes) for a team that's not really in a position to wait for him to figure that out. The contract thing is true but I don't think they care too much about that and I'm pretty sure they would have been over the cap either way. I guess maybe not to the degree where they're looking at the harshest penalties though. MourningView fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jun 17, 2015 |
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alansmithee posted:People seem really really down on Love after one year. Like before he went to Cleveland lots of people would've considered him a top 10 player (and top 5 before that), and suddenly people seem to think he's just average. He doesn't do the things that Bosh did in Miami (especially not the defense), but he's still a great player. His shot isn't busted, he's still finding his range but he was really dangerous from midrange and he already can create space for his shot. His rookie 3p% and Attempts is fairly comparable to guys like Lebron, Carmelo, Joe Johnson, etc. He won't be a sharpshooter but he'll be fine. The comparisons to Tracy McGrady I think are pretty good, another guy who took some time to find his 3 point shot. dokmo posted:The fact that Wiggins is really good now, really young and improving daily, and on a rookie contract makes him super valuable. The Cavs could have got much more for him. You may be right that Love may have been the best way for them to win now, but I'm not so sure. If they got a player like Ryan Anderson instead of Love would that have affected their championship probabilities that much? The only way trading Wiggins away for Love looks good is if it was a condition of LeBron coming to Cleveland in the first place, which maybe it was. I think they would be a in a much worse place with Ryan Anderson, not just for production this year, but because I am fairly certain Love will look a lot better with more time playing with this team.
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Jun 17, 2015 18:56
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Illinois Smith posted:Klay Thompson in a nutshell Can Rocco teach him how to dribble, or how not to foul when he's already in foul trouble?
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Jun 17, 2015 19:00
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Papercut posted:Can Rocco teach him how to dribble, or how not to foul when he's already in foul trouble? He's a young guy who just played the most professional basketball of his life and never had teams spending hours scheming on ways to make him look bad. Now that he has that under his belt, Klay will be just fine.
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He's way better off the dribble and scoring around the basket now than he was when he got to the league.
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