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Adar posted:2016 Presidential Primary: Lindsay Graham is guaranteed to beat at least one person in Iowa
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Jun 28, 2015 20:59
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I could honestly see him just angling for a position in the next democratic administration to stay in power. With Jindal and Huckabee openly calling for the dissolution of the Supreme Court, right wing groups demanding resistance, and the Governor of Texas issuing a public statement to the effects of "The Supreme Court can't tell Texas what to do" there is literally no reason anyone who didn't vote GOP in 2012 would even consider voting in 2016. For all the "Oh another Clinton" the only other option is a theocratic dictator who promises to disband the parts of the constitution they don't like and their only platform is "undo the last 8 years asap".
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Jun 28, 2015 21:35
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VanSandman posted:Well, no poo poo. He made a lot of them obsolete.
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Jun 28, 2015 21:42
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What blows my mind is that Graham is a literal war-crazy hawk and he is by far the most reasonable Republican candidate. Everyone else is totally out to lunch--disowning and trashing various parts of the government because they don't agree with them. It's incredible to watch in real time.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:11
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I'm honestly curious at this point what any of the pubbies are campaigning on beyond "I have a time machine and can make the last eight years unhappen."
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Jun 28, 2015 22:19
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LeeMajors posted:What blows my mind is that Graham is a literal war-crazy hawk and he is by far the most reasonable Republican candidate. Everyone else is totally out to lunch--disowning and trashing various parts of the government because they don't agree with them. It's incredible to watch in real time. Of this current crop, I think he's the only one that's actually held office at the national level for any significant length of time*, and was active back in the horse-trading days when congressionals had to actually work together (to at least a minor degree) to bring home the bacon. *Santorum was in the Senate for a non-trivial amount of time, but since he did so much to ruin cross-aisle collegiality and is personally such a weirdo I'm not counting him here. Captain_Maclaine fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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Jun 28, 2015 22:19
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LeeMajors posted:What blows my mind is that Graham is a literal war-crazy hawk and he is by far the most reasonable Republican candidate. Everyone else is totally out to lunch--disowning and trashing various parts of the government because they don't agree with them. It's incredible to watch in real time. probaly because he sees where the wind is blowing and he knows how hosed the GOP is with their rash short sighted short term choices of late. He knows anti marrage equality is sinking ship and he wants to try anything to salvage some GOP poo poo.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:23
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Of this current crop, I think he's the only one that's actually held office at the national level for any significant length of time, and was active back in the horse-trading days when congressionals had to actually work together (to at least a minor degree) to bring home the bacon. Probably has something to do with it. Santorum. And possibly Jindal, depending on when you define that era as ending. And possibly Kasich, depending on whether you count him as an actual candidate since nobody gives a poo poo about him. (To be fair, that applies to Jindal as well.)
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Jun 28, 2015 22:23
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CaptainCarrot posted:Santorum. And possibly Jindal, depending on when you define that era as ending. And possibly Kasich, depending on whether you count him as an actual candidate since nobody gives a poo poo about him. (To be fair, that applies to Jindal as well.) I edited in Santorum as the same thought occurred to me and, like the rest of America, I totally forgot Kasich even existed. Jindal did only a short hitch in the House so I left him out as well.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:28
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Who wants more fun with Trump https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/615268729748893696 Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump Univision apologized to me but I will not accept their apology. I will be sueing them for a lot of money. Miss U.S.A. contestants are hurt! Sueing
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Jun 28, 2015 22:39
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Dapper_Swindler posted:probaly because he sees where the wind is blowing and he knows how hosed the GOP is with their rash short sighted short term choices of late. He knows anti marrage equality is sinking ship and he wants to try anything to salvage some GOP poo poo. The entire GOP platform is a sinking ship in the 21st century--and the only thing he is doing is alienating his base. I don't remember a time when the GOP was so incredibly fractured and extremist. GHWB was mostly reasonable, and Reagan wasn't overtly lovely while he destroyed the middle-class. W was a fucktard from the jump, but unapologetically so--and he wasn't particularly extremist in any way, even if he rode a wave of nationalism to two trillion-dollar wars. But literally every GOP candidate from the past two elections has been either a beep-boop robot or too much of a fundie retard to get any traction. It's kind of amazing.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:39
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Cythereal posted:I'm honestly curious at this point what any of the pubbies are campaigning on beyond "I have a time machine and can make the last eight years unhappen." I'm sure they have individual strategies, but the strategy that has a chance of working is one they're all essentially participating in - pander enough to win the primary, then present as a "reasonable" candidate in the general election, then hope that the economy goes bad / Hillary develops a health problem / Hillary eats a baby on live television, and win by default. e: simply being The Republican Candidate will assure the GOP nominee 47% of the national vote. Since all the actual candidates are so bad, the remaining 3.1% is probably going to have to come from things outside of their control (unless you count voter suppression). Slate Action fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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Jun 28, 2015 22:49
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Vertical Lime posted:Who wants more fun with Trump The Miss U.S.A. contestants should form a class action suit against Trump based on his statements.
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Jun 28, 2015 22:58
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Vertical Lime posted:Who wants more fun with Trump again, what a petty little assclown LeeMajors posted:The entire GOP platform is a sinking ship in the 21st century--and the only thing he is doing is alienating his base. I know that. I was just trying to think of it from his perspective.
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Jun 28, 2015 23:14
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pentyne posted:I could honestly see him just angling for a position in the next democratic administration to stay in power. With Jindal and Huckabee openly calling for the dissolution of the Supreme Court, right wing groups demanding resistance, and the Governor of Texas issuing a public statement to the effects of "The Supreme Court can't tell Texas what to do" there is literally no reason anyone who didn't vote GOP in 2012 would even consider voting in 2016. For all the "Oh another Clinton" the only other option is a theocratic dictator who promises to disband the parts of the constitution they don't like and their only platform is "undo the last 8 years asap". I look forward to my kids learning about the time Obama sent in the national guard to force Texas Clerks of Court to marry gay people. Also to the amazing, impotent, poo poo storm when President Clinton fills the vacated seat of one of the conservative justices, ushering in a new age of liberal socialist dictator Supreme Court rulings. Not only do you have to get gay married, but it has to be a vegan reception. If I'm remembering correctly, history shows that you must either be at Andrew Jackson levels of not giving a poo poo, or Lincoln levels of in the poo poo before you ignore the Supreme Court. So until you let a man shoot you just so you can properly line up a neck shot or are President during Civil War 2, President You is going to back down and abide by the Court's ruling.
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Jun 28, 2015 23:18
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Bernie Sanders has the Jesse Jackson problem. I'm gonna go ahead and coin that phrase. By this, I mean a lot of people down the ballot, especially in the swing congressional and gubernatorial races, are gonna have a hard time campaigning with him. Holding the presidency without any majorities and with governorships and state house numbers in the teens is almost worthless except for bureaucratic reasons.
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Jun 28, 2015 23:19
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Captain_Maclaine posted:*Santorum was in the Senate for a non-trivial amount of time, but since he did so much to ruin cross-aisle collegiality and is personally such a weirdo I'm not counting him here. Santorum also likes to play with dead babies
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Jun 28, 2015 23:20
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My Imaginary GF posted:How much money has Sanders gotten? That's your answer as to whether he's a viable candidate. 8+ million, more than any Republican candidate (and less than  )
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Jun 28, 2015 23:40
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:8+ million, more than any Republican candidate (and less than That doesn't mean anything since Adelson, the Kochs, etc. haven't dumped their truckloads of money yet. Horseshoe theory fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Jun 28, 2015 |
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Jun 28, 2015 23:42
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ThirdPartyView posted:That doesn't mean anything since Adelson, the Kochs, etc. haven't dumped their truckloads of money yet. Remember when all that money just ended up buying them a Reverse Kerry and Obama ended up being a two-termer? poo poo was hilarious.
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Jun 28, 2015 23:45
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ThirdPartyView posted:That doesn't mean anything since Adelson, the Kochs, etc. haven't dumped their truckloads of money yet. Oh they have. They're not going into to the campaigns directly. They're going into other organizations with less strict reporting requirements. Jeb's unofficial campaign may actually be larger than his official campaign when things are all said and done.
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Jun 28, 2015 23:47
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RACHET posted:Santorum also likes to play with dead babies That's low, man. You're going to judge a dude for how he copes with the death of his child?
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Jun 28, 2015 23:52
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LeeMajors posted:I don't remember a time when the GOP was so incredibly fractured and extremist. Extremist, yes, but not fractured. The GOP is almost entirely in agreement about policy, they're just divided on tactics.
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Jun 28, 2015 23:54
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Joementum posted:Extremist, yes, but not fractured. The GOP is almost entirely in agreement about policy, they're just divided on tactics. A cohesive, unified party wouldn't have eleventy-billion candidates running against one another.
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Jun 28, 2015 23:57
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LeeMajors posted:A cohesive, unified party wouldn't have eleventy-billion candidates running against one another. Hence what Joe said about being divided on tactics. Also, the Republicans are used to having an anointed successor, which they don't now. So its kinda a free for all.
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Jun 28, 2015 23:59
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CaptainCarrot posted:That's low, man. You're going to judge a dude for how he copes with the death of his child? Absolutely. Treating a baby corpse like a cabbage patch doll is disgusting by any rational standards.
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Jun 29, 2015 00:00
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LeeMajors posted:A cohesive, unified party wouldn't have eleventy-billion candidates running against one another. There were significant differences between Pat Buchanan and George H.W. Bush on policy in the 1992 primary's limited field. There is very little difference between the policies of Jeb! Bush and Ted Cruz, but a significant difference in what they think will be the most successful path to enact those reforms. What happened in the Republican party is that Reagan [PBUH] won and the movement's ideas are now the orthodoxy.
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Jun 29, 2015 00:04
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Trabisnikof posted:Hence what Joe said about being divided on tactics. Also, the Republicans are used to having an anointed successor, which they don't now. So its kinda a free for all. The previous second placer always wins the nomination. Santorum 2016: The Stars Are Right.
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Jun 29, 2015 00:07
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Clearly as an organization they are fractured and have no clear leadership. I agree that ideologically they are largely cohesive.
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Jun 29, 2015 00:08
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RACHET posted:Absolutely. Treating a baby corpse like a cabbage patch doll is disgusting by any rational standards. Coping with the death of your child is extremely difficult and, at the time, what Santorum did was recommended practice according to the American Pregnancy Association. It's weird and difficult to understand, but insulting Santorum for how he reacted to his dead child is extremely petty. Call him out on something else.
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Jun 29, 2015 00:10
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Joementum posted:There were significant differences between Pat Buchanan and George H.W. Bush on policy in the 1992 primary's limited field. That's what's funny Every Republican candidate would be the same, except for Trump
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Jun 29, 2015 00:13
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Jim Webb won a straw poll... at the Western Conservatives Summit.quote:This year's straw poll also included a field of Democrats, which drew votes from 294 attendees. Oh, and Ben Carson won the Republican version. He also spoke at the event.
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Jun 29, 2015 00:13
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And Kasich's in. Announcing July 21.
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Jun 29, 2015 00:15
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GreyjoyBastard posted:The previous second placer always wins the nomination. Except for '96-2000, where a Bush son took the nomination. And Santorum's as extreme as Buchanan.
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Jun 29, 2015 00:15
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The X-man cometh posted:Except for '96-2000, where a Bush son took the nomination. And Santorum's as extreme as Buchanan. Eh, son of the previous president, who didn't have to run against previous second-place winner Pat Buchanan, at least not for long.
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Jun 29, 2015 00:18
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Chris Christie's mom loved him, so he should be President. A compelling message for a new America. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gFOz_UlHbM Joementum fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Jun 29, 2015 |
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Jun 29, 2015 00:18
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It will be interesting to see if Kasich is able to make it to the top tier debates. I have doubts. Wonder where he is going to announce from. EDIT: Apparently, Kasich talked about his position on same-sex marriage on Face the Nation, earlier today. quote:KASICH: I think we need to take a deep breath. I personally believe in traditional marriage, but the Supreme Court has ruled and it's the law of the land. We'll abide by it. I think everyone needs to take a deep breath to see how this evolves. Religious institutions, religious entities, you know like the Catholic Church, need to be honored as well, but I think there's an ability to strike a balance. You know, as Governor, you learn how to strike a balance. Sometimes you get into an argument, but what you want to do as a public official is look for solutions where you can create more win-wins. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Jun 29, 2015 |
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Jun 29, 2015 00:18
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I look forward to seeing what effect Obergefell will have as a whole on the Republican party in the elections. Will they be emboldened, demoralized, or unaffected? Will it affect the voter base in any meaningful way? Will Hillary figure out a way to spin this into a positive for her campaign? Will nobody give a poo poo about any of this come voting day November?
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Jun 29, 2015 01:33
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Kasich's answer was very Huntsmanian.
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Joementum posted:Chris Christie's mom loved him, so he should be President. A compelling message for a new America. And her love made Christie grow so big, they had to leave their home. Christie's so much fun he's a friend to us all. I love Christie, the Big Red Dog!
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