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etalian posted:would zizek like Singapore? He thinks that Singapore might be the future, but that it is a bad thing. Singapore proves that capitalism can function as efficiently if not more efficiently under an authoritarian regime rather than a democratic one.
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st1LL_51ngl3 posted:e: Hm, then again, he also describes Taiwan as being exactly this sort of 'chaotic', when from everything goons say about Chinese countries, I've always had the impression that Taiwan is top-tier Chinese country. Well in Taiwan they always have badass brawls in their parliament. Similar to South Korea, Taiwan was a military dictatorship for most of its post-WWII history.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:singapore is about as good as authoritarian non-democracies can get though. lee kuan yew is dead. let's see if things begin to fall apart like they tend to do with this kind of government. Every generation change is a big gamble after all and things can go to poo poo fast. he was one of those dudes that actually tried to build a system in place so people like him are selected into office like i said they filter the top members of society into government through a mandarin like appointment process where corruption and incompetence are rooted out if the dude succeeded it might last fairly long
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st1LL_51ngl3 posted:People get out of your way?! Everyone just shoves in front of me on the buses and trains. I mean, occasionally people get out of my way because I'm white, but it's mostly because I'm loving huge (comparatively) and pushy. are you over six feet? and muscular?
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Top City Homo posted:he was one of those dudes that actually tried to build a system in place so people like him are selected into office im not versed much on "mandarin like appointment" but corruption and incompetence were comically par for the course for vast tracts of chinese history
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Jul 4, 2015 17:41
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It's called governance with Chinese characteristics get your facts straight
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Jul 4, 2015 17:49
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'Capitalism with Asian values'
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Miltank posted:'Capitalism with Asian values' aka no wonder why their utopia ends up being so organized and boring with even basic vices like smoking being frowned upon.
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It's not so great if you're a gay dude. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Singapore
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Suckthemonkey posted:It's not so great if you're a gay dude. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Singapore yeah plus the government categorizes gays by how macho they act.
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Agag posted:Most countries read your emails, but they don't offer you anything. i told you singapore is superior
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Miltank posted:He thinks that Singapore might be the future, but that it is a bad thing. Singapore proves that capitalism can function as efficiently if not more efficiently under an authoritarian regime rather than a democratic one. Singapore has competitive elections and there is no ballot stuffing going on. it does use a first past post system for seats but so does England and the US. media is censored and opposition can be sued when they claim corruption but that's not really that big of an issue because when officials sue for defamation it can end up being shown that the corruption existed and go to prison for it so there are checks on government performance that has resulted in low levels of corruption its the low levels of corruption through regular debate and elections that provided for a capitalism and even then, the capitalism is state managed and regulated. to try and replicate singapore's system would require the dictators to set up a system where they would eventually cede power instead of just looting the country and thats difficult to do
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Frostwerks posted:im not versed much on "mandarin like appointment" but corruption and incompetence were comically par for the course for vast tracts of chinese history technocratic appointment whatever the case it works
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it's a great idea since it combines the most bland things about asians aka obsession with conformity/tradition with the obsession over banal material things.
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Groovelord Neato posted:They have easily the worst and most annoying English dialect. I once asked for a bottle of beer in a restaurant (okay, street food place, but whatever). The response was: "Bottle cannot can can". That took me about 30 seconds to process.
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etalian posted:it's a great idea since it combines the most bland things about asians aka obsession with conformity/tradition with the obsession over banal material things. This might be honestly one of the worst criticisms about Singapore. Yeah, there's the execution for drugs thing, but they're very upfront and consistent about that so to be honest, I look at that as more of a major annoyance (no drugs, bad weather, boring people) rather than some kind of huge humanitarian issue.
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The Rabbi T. White posted:I once asked for a bottle of beer in a restaurant (okay, street food place, but whatever). The response was:
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st1LL_51ngl3 posted:This might be honestly one of the worst criticisms about Singapore. Let's feel good about a regime that keeps the trains running on time while having intense censorship, bans gays from jobs, social engineering on every level and is basically a one party capitalist dictatorship. It's what you get by combining the Hive and Capitalist factions from alpha centauri.
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Biggest criticism is that there is nothing interest happening there Also it proves the saying that people are never satisfied
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etalian posted:Let's feel good about a regime that keeps the trains running on time while having intense censorship, bans gays from jobs, social engineering on every level and is basically a one party capitalist dictatorship. Take it to the speakers corner citizen
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etalian posted:Let's feel good about a regime that keeps the trains running on time while having intense censorship, bans gays from jobs, social engineering on every level and is basically a one party capitalist dictatorship. Uh it's called Morgan Industries.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Uh it's called Morgan Industries. resources exist to be consumed, and consumed they will be.
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etalian posted:Let's feel good about a regime that keeps the trains running on time while having intense censorship, bans gays from jobs, social engineering on every level and is basically a one party capitalist dictatorship. Yeah I could see where my post sounded kinda lovely. Let's rather say that Singapore is the best you'll ever get out of Southeast Asia. Yes, they ban gays from jobs and are a dictatorship. So is Malaysia and Indonesia and Vietnam. At least Singapore actually does keep the trains running on time unlike the rest. 
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XMNN posted:its like if 3 olives hoa had the power of corporal punishment lol
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Jul 5, 2015 00:43
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african dystopia is a bunch of child solders running around with AKs, Asian dystopia is getting caned on the rear end for smoking
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Krypt-OOO-Nite!! posted:This is the main problem. It's been like 4 or 5 years since I was last in Singapore, but I distinctly remember doing both of these things multiple times when I was there. Of course, I was with a bunch of Marines and Sailors, so maybe the cops were ill inclined to intervene, or maybe because I was a white boy off that big money sink that is our boat in their harbor, though that hasn't stopped the local cops in the past from roughing up our dudes. Either way, it never seemed as strict as everyone always told me, at least in my experience. YMMV and all that.
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etalian posted:Let's feel good about a regime that keeps the trains running on time while having intense censorship, bans gays from jobs, social engineering on every level and is basically a one party capitalist dictatorship. maybe we should judge a country and it's leadership by its citizens self-reported levels of satisfaction and other objective metrics rather than ideological purity (spoilers: they're good)
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I don't know how much any of those questions have to do with the country's leadership though.
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Vegetable posted:I don't know how much any of those questions have to do with the country's leadership though. ahh you're right, I misread that post
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DetroitVectorSmooth posted:edit nm The UN had it as 30th worldwide in 2013(in its world happiness report), and the highest in all of Asia. I know you deleted this post but it actually was pretty much what I meant so I'm curious what the source of the discrepancy was. I guess my point is really that it's hard to criticize a system of government if the people there are quite happy, but maybe that's not actually the case? I have a somewhat hard time believing that the average citizen in Singapore is less happy than the average citizen of Afghanistan, I'd be interested in reading more about that poll. It's funny because "happiness" is the most subjective metric I'd really want to look at but also probably the most important. Singapore has a really good infant mortality rate and GDP/person (obviously an imperfect statistic because it doesn't reflect inequality, so it probably is not really correlated with happiness). Jeffrey of YOSPOS fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Jul 5, 2015 |
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Singapore has a really good infant mortality rate Misinterpreted this at first  Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:and GDP/person (obviously an imperfect statistic because it doesn't reflect inequality, so it probably is not really correlated with happiness). Anywhere that many families have at least one car and that one car cost you $60-80,000, I imagine things are ok.
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It's basically a socialist police state in which people trade complete deference the government in exchange for free housing, medical care and other benefits. It's using the carrot approach instead of the stick create a completely subservient society. If anything it has lots in common with the pristine clean world of Mirrors Edge.
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etalian posted:It's basically a socialist police state in which people trade complete deference the government in exchange for free housing, medical care and other benefits. And by socialist, you mean crony capitalist I assume.
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is socialist a synonym for bad in america?
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Craving some chicken rice and satay sticks right about now.Epileptic Monkey posted:Don't forget Sentosa Island, especially if you're a family type, or just like theme parks cause they've got some kickass beaches there and Universal studios. Not to mention the massive god drat merlion statue: I went to Sentosa 3 months ago, would not go again. It's so empty and soulless.
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Yeah, Sentosa is pretty meh.
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sidviscous posted:And by socialist, you mean crony capitalist I assume. State Capitalism, like China
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univbee posted:The scripts of all plays to be performed in Singapore must be vetted in advance by the Media Development Authority (MDA), which has the right to ban any it views as "contrary to the public interest". Hey, I think you'll find those MDA cats are actually pretty with-it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksw2UqTyhhc
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