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OwlFancier posted:I always wondered why fitness magazines had lots of burly sweaty men posing and looking sultry at the camera. The idea that straight men aren't allowed to appreciate the male body hasn't exactly done wonders for gay men.
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You're allowed to appreciate whatever you like for whatever reason you want as far as I'm concerned, it's just slightly difficult for me to tell the difference between a copy of men's health and softcore porno, so it's weird that it's "ok" if it's in a health magazine but not ok if it's just pictures of buff dudes you look at for fun.
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joat mon posted:Other than Tom of Finland, cite? http://vintagemusclemags.com/magCover.php?0;1;5;ad;Adonis
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Jul 17, 2015 01:42
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Huh. All this time I thought Hakan was a strange, vaguely racist Turkish caricature. I didn't realize the whole "Turkish oil wrestling" thing actually existed.
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inkblot posted:Huh. All this time I thought Hakan was a strange, vaguely racist Turkish caricature. I didn't realize the whole "Turkish oil wrestling" thing actually existed. Oh, he is most definitely a caricature but yeah it's a real thing.
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OwlFancier posted:You're allowed to appreciate whatever you like for whatever reason you want as far as I'm concerned, it's just slightly difficult for me to tell the difference between a copy of men's health and softcore porno, so it's weird that it's "ok" if it's in a health magazine but not ok if it's just pictures of buff dudes you look at for fun. I guess it was the olde time version of saying "I watch [kids show] for the plot!"
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inkblot posted:Huh. All this time I thought Hakan was a strange, vaguely racist Turkish caricature. I didn't realize the whole "Turkish oil wrestling" thing actually existed. Turkish oil wrestling is simply the manliest, gayest sport.
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Do It Once Right posted:As a break from the entertaining histrionics of adults throwing tantrums, here's a glimpse of the response to come: http://www.advocate.com/politics/2015/07/16/federal-license-discriminate-bill-gains-support-and-opposition It's making its way around the House of Representatives. It has 134 co-sponsors so far, and it's still in its infancy. In the senate, 34 repulicans are already all-up-ons. How the fact of a primary will play into this isn't 100% clear yet. The idea of "moral objection" is going to be the Southern Strategy of marriage equality. On the lighter side, a homeless shelter specifically dedicated to fans of Marvel's Deadpool is being built: http://www.out.com/popnography/2015/7/16/bea-arthur-lgbt-shelter-break-ground I guess gltbq youth can go there too, maybe, idk Bethamphetamine fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Jul 17, 2015 |
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Interview with the Human Rights Campaign president is mostly uninteresting other than this bit.quote:a comprehensive LGBT rights bill that would include employment, housing, lending, education, and other protections. A bill like that has yet to be introduced, although there has been discussion that its introduction is expected as soon as next week
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Do It Once Right posted:http://www.advocate.com/politics/2015/07/16/federal-license-discriminate-bill-gains-support-and-opposition "I'm not a racist, your honor. I just think that all the black and brown people coming to me to get a service are secretly gay. I'm just invoking my freedom of religion by refusing them."
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Well, we won marriage. On to discrimination, and as a nice first barrage: EEOC declares workplace discimination on the basis of sexual orientation violates The Civil Rights Actquote:On Thursday [16. July], the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission unanimously ruled that sexual orientation discrimination is already illegal under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. As BuzzFeed's Chris Geidner reports, the EEOC's groundbreaking decision effectively declares that employment discrimination against gay, lesbian, and bisexual workers is unlawful in all 50 states. The commission already found that Title VII bars discrimination on the basis of gender identity, protecting trans employees. EEOC decision "only" apply to federal employees, and only in the workplace (so doesn't cover education and housing) but that's still a hefty chunck of the population that right there.  EDIT: This article has a bit more detail. TFA. For one, it was a 3-2 vote, not unanimous as was first reported. Slate didn't update their piece. GhostBoy fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Jul 17, 2015 |
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Also it sets a basically unshakable foundation for the private sector when it goes to court.
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GhostBoy posted:Well, we won marriage. On to discrimination, and as a nice first barrage: EEOC declares workplace discimination on the basis of sexual orientation violates The Civil Rights Act The EEOC has already determined that discrimination on the basis of gay and transgender status is illegal in the private sector. They have already been litigating on that basis. This new ruling just clarifies the issue for federal employees and spells out the legal reasoning in some more detail. Edit: still a good thing for setting clear precedence and stating the position clearly. Thesaurus fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jul 17, 2015 |
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Thesaurus posted:The EEOC has already determined that discrimination on the basis of gay and transgender status is illegal in the private sector. They have already been litigating on that basis. Has the civil rights act ever been used to successfully litigate discrimination in states/counties that don't have local laws forbidding discrimination in the private sector? If not, it seems like a bit of a stretch to say that it was already illegal.
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Thesaurus posted:The EEOC has already determined that discrimination on the basis of gay and transgender status is illegal in the private sector. They have already been litigating on that basis. Then where is my transgender-friendly private sector insurance? I'm lucky that my employer considers gender identity protected since Tennessee has a law preventing any city or county passing legislation to protect LGBT people. I can't be fired, but our insurance still explicitly excludes care related to being transgender.
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Chris Hayes recently had on the Kentucky county clerk who is refusing to hand out marriage licenses and he sounds like he is really really unintelligent https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2bhSXqhBuE Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Jul 17, 2015 |
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Phase II is already in play, the Duggar's show got cancelled today. Good. Now if only we could get the kids taken away from their crazy parents and given normal lives. Especially the daughters who are probably brainwashed as hell.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Chris Hayes recently had on the Kentucky county clerk who is refusing to hand out marriage licenses and he sounds like he is really really unintelligent I hope he's smart enough to have a decent lawyer. I bet the governor and the AG will hang him out to dry.
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Teddybear posted:I hope he's smart enough to have a decent lawyer. I bet the governor and the AG will hang him out to dry. Gov of KY is the one that straight up came out and said, "do it or resign/get canned" right? Dude's hosed if he's hoping he'll have support beyond facebook shares
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wid posted:"I'm not a racist, your honor. I just think that all the black and brown people coming to me to get a service are secretly gay. I'm just invoking my freedom of religion by refusing them." "Your honor, I was only defending my Personal Beliefs. I told the secret gay that I had a gun. He still came right for me and I had no choice but to shoot!"
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OwlFancier posted:You're allowed to appreciate whatever you like for whatever reason you want as far as I'm concerned, it's just slightly difficult for me to tell the difference between a copy of men's health and softcore porno, so it's weird that it's "ok" if it's in a health magazine but not ok if it's just pictures of buff dudes you look at for fun. It sells. It displays the goods right on the cover with the lure phrases (Get THIS MOTHERFUCK'S GODDAMN GRANITE ABS IN EIGHT WEEKS and such) so tryhard guys have an image right there of masculine fitness with which to pair the headline. I mean it's probably a bunch of fad diets and curls (yes curls for abs because it synergizes with paleo for a really good glycemic index for yooje gains or whatever) but they aren't exactly selling National Geographic and Science and Nature in the checkout line. It's like the monthly "how to blow a guy" issue from Cosmo.
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I imagine that a typical gay dude's perception of the ideal athletic male body isn't all that different from a straight dude's. (Both seem pretty far removed from women's ideals, imo.)
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Equality Act expected to be introduced tomorrow.quote:"Ending Discrimination against LGBT Americans in Public Accommodations, Education, Federal Financial Assistance, Employment, Housing, Credit, and Federal Jury Service... Amends Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to add sex, sexual orientation, and gender identity to the list of already protected classes (joining race, color, religion and national origin)."
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So I take it this is a better version of ENDA?
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OwlFancier posted:You're allowed to appreciate whatever you like for whatever reason you want as far as I'm concerned, it's just slightly difficult for me to tell the difference between a copy of men's health and softcore porno, so it's weird that it's "ok" if it's in a health magazine but not ok if it's just pictures of buff dudes you look at for fun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVPn14A1msc
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Equality Act expected to be introduced tomorrow. I'm 110% on board with this.
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FlamingLiberal posted:So I take it this is a better version of ENDA? "Ending Discrimination against LGBT Americans in Public Accommodations, Education, Federal Financial Assistance, Employment, Housing, Credit, and Federal Jury Service. ENDA would pertain only to the fourth of the seven areas listed.
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Yeah but I was mainly referring to the broad religious exemptions that were in ENDA at one point
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So does the use of "LGBT" imply that it explicitly covers trans people as well? That sounds promising. (Aside: when did the L move to the front of the acronym? When I was in college, it was always GLBT. It doesn't matter to me except that I don't like change and I was used to the old one.)
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FlamingLiberal posted:Yeah but I was mainly referring to the broad religious exemptions that were in ENDA at one point The equality act hasn't been introduced, so there isn't a text of the bill available yet. The blurb says RFRA won't be allowed to trump. The latest ENDA bills state that the religious organizations to whom the Civil Rights Act of 1964 does not apply to will continue to be exempt to whatever ENDA adds. The Equality Act will probably have identical language, at least in its first draft.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Equality Act expected to be introduced tomorrow. I would be shocked if this even gets put up for a vote.
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pookel posted:So does the use of "LGBT" imply that it explicitly covers trans people as well? That sounds promising. Yeah, it seems like the act uses "sexual orientation and gender identity" everywhere. So while it doesn't seem like it tackles trans-specific issues, it at least hits the universal LGBT issues. Then again I haven't read it too closely, just reading off of other bulletpoint lists of the things the act covers.
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pookel posted:(Aside: when did the L move to the front of the acronym? When I was in college, it was always GLBT. It doesn't matter to me except that I don't like change and I was used to the old one.) Comedy answer: Feminism happened.
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pookel posted:So does the use of "LGBT" imply that it explicitly covers trans people as well? That sounds promising. Real answer: acronym politics happened.
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This makes it sound less like a sandwich.
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Its easier to say LGBT than GLBT. Try it. "leggibt" versus "gl'bibt" Way easier.
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hhhat posted:Its easier to say LGBT than GLBT. Surprised I haven't heard 'legbiter' as a homophobic slur before now tbh.
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With letters getting added all the time, the best alphabet soup I've heard is QUILTBAG
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hhhat posted:Its easier to say LGBT than GLBT. Well, yeah, you're adding an extraneous "b" sound. Try "glibt".
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