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pookel posted:I always find it strange when religious people advocate for denying gay rights on the basis that "it's a choice." OK, so what if it were? Religion is a choice too! It must come from the same place as the idea that "oh well yes sexuality is a choice, I make the right and proper and godly choice". Religion is a choice and the Christians are making the one true right choice.
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# ? Jul 29, 2015 21:40 |
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# ? Apr 29, 2024 01:52 |
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I think it's mainly a response to people comparing gay rights to race/gender related civil rights. It's like, "oh yeah, well you can just turn off being gay if you want and then I'll stop opressing you, whereas this black guy (who I'm totally just concern trolling for) can't help being black"
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# ? Jul 29, 2015 22:21 |
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Has anyone ever explicitly continued that logic out to "but if they were choosing to be black, then gently caress 'em"?
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# ? Jul 29, 2015 22:23 |
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Abner Cadaver II posted:Has anyone ever explicitly continued that logic out to "but if they were choosing to be black, then gently caress 'em"? Well, with transethnicity emerging, that might eventually be a response.
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# ? Jul 29, 2015 22:52 |
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Morter posted:Well, with transethnicity emerging, that might eventually be a response. I'm pretty sure only the strangest or most maladjusted people ever actually subscribe to this. If someone is mixed race, and looks more 'white' but identifies more with 'black' culture, that's fine and I'm not seeing the problem. But nobody is actually encouraged to take "I'm really Japanese on the inside" seriously.
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# ? Jul 30, 2015 04:36 |
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jivjov posted:People love to post all these motivational speakers who were gay but got "turned straight by the power of Christ" or whatever. I'm just like 'No, you got bullied into silence or are actively living a lie or weren't gay to begin with." http://youtu.be/lFo8NGO4nTA Cythereal posted:Because most of these churches do have a worldwide hierarchy and organization, mainly important for funding purposes. A lot of missionary work and church building in Africa, Asia, and South America is funded by wealthy church-goers and donors in North America and Europe. The fact that these conservative branches tend to be the ones with actually growing numbers makes them very politically powerful within the church structure, but the liberal branches tend to have all the money. Which makes me wonder: If THE GAYS and fag enablers like myself were able to organize it, is there anything stopping us from joining the church in droves to shift the balance back to change that policy?
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# ? Jul 30, 2015 05:01 |
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Extensive Vamping posted:http://youtu.be/lFo8NGO4nTA It would depend on the church, really. Some are much more democratic than others.
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# ? Jul 30, 2015 05:15 |
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Abner Cadaver II posted:Has anyone ever explicitly continued that logic out to "but if they were choosing to be black, then gently caress 'em"? Given that the typical response to all these blacks getting killed and harassed by police over the years is that they weren't trying their hardest to be non-threatening and inoffensive as possible [read: have black skin] this is actually the rule of the land.
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# ? Jul 30, 2015 06:26 |
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ToxicFrog posted:Aren't the republicans in control of both houses right now? Does this have any hope of passing? This is from a while back, but I totally read this as "republicans in control of bath houses."
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# ? Jul 30, 2015 09:28 |
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The Dark One posted:This is from a while back, but I totally read this as "republicans in control of bath houses." That would make Freep's screeches of "THAT drat BATHHOUSE BARRY IS AT IT AGAIN" even more amusing than they already are.
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# ? Jul 30, 2015 13:06 |
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Extensive Vamping posted:Which makes me wonder: If THE GAYS and fag enablers like myself were able to organize it, is there anything stopping us from joining the church in droves to shift the balance back to change that policy? Nope. The liberal branches of the church would probably welcome it. The biggest problem the liberal North American branches of most Christian denominations face is declining numbers - you could probably write a book about why the liberal branches are declining and the conservative branches are growing - and they'd probably be enthusiastic about reversing that trend.
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# ? Jul 30, 2015 15:44 |
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Extensive Vamping posted:Which makes me wonder: If THE GAYS and fag enablers like myself were able to organize it, is there anything stopping us from joining the church in droves to shift the balance back to change that policy? That actually came up in either an elders or a council meeting of my church. Someone suggested that if we became an open and affirming church, that there would be nothing stopping LGBTQ people from joining in droves. My comment was "Oh no, what would we do? We can't possibly have more members"
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# ? Jul 30, 2015 16:26 |
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Nth Doctor posted:That actually came up in either an elders or a council meeting of my church. Someone suggested that if we became an open and affirming church, that there would be nothing stopping LGBTQ people from joining in droves. My comment was "Oh no, what would we do? We can't possibly have more members" "Yeah but then you get to brag that you were members of the church before it got cool"
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# ? Jul 30, 2015 16:56 |
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pookel posted:I always find it strange when religious people advocate for denying gay rights on the basis that "it's a choice." OK, so what if it were? Religion is a choice too! Yes, and like sexual orientation, it's a choice with only one objectively correct answer1. Furthermore, everyone really knows what the correct answer is; people who choose otherwise are doing so out of some misguided desire to rebel against God, not because it's what they actually want. No poo poo, I've seen this in the wild2 as an explanation not only for why people are gay but also for why they're athiests (or muslims, or wiccans, or anything except the speaker's own special-snowflake version of christianity). 1 "heterosexuality" and "whatever specific sect of christianity the speaker belongs to" respectively. 2 Which is to say, on the internet, but from people who appeared to be completely serious.
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# ? Jul 30, 2015 19:29 |
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bewilderment posted:I'm pretty sure only the strangest or most maladjusted people ever actually subscribe to this. I know a guy who legit believes that mixed and light skin blacks "choose" to identify as black to get the free government goodies. He had never heard of the old one drop rule of decades past where the government classified a mixed person as black fir the purpose of segregation. He could not understand how the gov forced mixed people to join the black community or how that would carry over into modern day culture.
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# ? Jul 30, 2015 19:38 |
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So this is extremely hosed up:quote:(CNN)An Orthodox Jew who stabbed marchers at a Jerusalem gay pride parade 10 years ago launched another knife attack at the same type of parade in the same city Thursday, stabbing and wounding six people who were on the streets for the event, police said. Hopefully they can put him away forever this time cause he's clearly going to kill someone eventually if given the opportunity.
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# ? Jul 30, 2015 21:02 |
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A Pale Horse posted:So this is extremely hosed up: Doing the very same poo poo again after being out of jail for three weeks must be enough reason to give him a much longer sentence. At least I hope so.
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# ? Jul 31, 2015 09:31 |
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Torrannor posted:Doing the very same poo poo again after being out of jail for three weeks must be enough reason to give him a much longer sentence. At least I hope so.
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# ? Jul 31, 2015 16:24 |
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Or religious zealots
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# ? Jul 31, 2015 16:40 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:Or make one wonder what affect if any prison actually has on violent criminals. Stops them from being violent against members of the public. If they clearly can't do that and have learned nothing then they get taken away from the public again.
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# ? Jul 31, 2015 17:53 |
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Dahn posted:I'm sure this study has been posted before. The problem with this study is that disgust and anger can also cause arousal.
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# ? Jul 31, 2015 21:34 |
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http://www.newnownext.com/gay-man-pulled-from-home-beaten-by-nypd-officers-yelling-human being-in-horrifying-video/07/2015/
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Kanine posted:http://www.newnownext.com/gay-man-pulled-from-home-beaten-by-nypd-officers-yelling-human being-in-horrifying-video/07/2015/ Sickening. I hope the cops get thrown in jail and the city ends up paying some ridiculous sum of money to the victim.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Stops them from being violent against members of the public. If they clearly can't do that and have learned nothing then they get taken away from the public again.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:Sickening. I hope the cops get thrown in jail and the city ends up paying some ridiculous sum of money to the victim. Neither one is going to happen. The media machine will promptly neuter and smother this just like everything short of cops napalming inner-city neighborhoods with a sworn statement of intent.
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# ? Jul 31, 2015 22:28 |
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Cythereal posted:Neither one is going to happen. The media machine will promptly neuter and smother this just like everything short of cops napalming inner-city neighborhoods with a sworn statement of intent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1985_bombing about that...
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# ? Jul 31, 2015 22:58 |
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posted:In 1981, MOVE relocated to a row house at 6221 Osage Avenue in the Cobbs Creek area of West Philadelphia. After the move, neighbors complained for years that MOVE members were broadcasting political messages by bullhorn at all hours and also about the health hazards created from piles of compost. On May 13, 1985, after the complaints as well as indictments of numerous[quantify] MOVE members for crimes including parole violations, contempt of court, illegal possession of firearms, and making terrorist threats,[1] both mayor W. Wilson Goode and Philadelphia Police Department Commissioner Gregor Sambor had begun characterizing MOVE as a terrorist organization.[12] The police, along with city manager and retired United States Army General Leo Brooks, arrived in force with arrest warrants and attempted to clear the building and arrest the indicted MOVE members.[12] This led to an armed standoff with police,[13] who lobbed tear gas canisters at the building. MOVE members fired at the police, who returned fire with automatic weapons.[14] Philadelphia Police Department Commissioner Sambor then ordered that the compound be bombed.[14] From a Pennsylvania State Police helicopter, Philadelphia Police Department Lt. Frank Powell proceeded to drop two one-pound bombs (which the police referred to as "entry devices"[12]) made of FBI-supplied water gel explosive, a dynamite substitute, targeting a fortified, bunker-like cubicle on the roof of the house.[1] We have to destroy the neighborhood to save the neighborhood!
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# ? Jul 31, 2015 23:28 |
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I was almost moved to tears of fury by that staten island incident. Holy poo poo.
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# ? Aug 1, 2015 00:49 |
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Cythereal posted:Neither one is going to happen. The media machine will promptly neuter and smother this just like everything short of cops napalming inner-city neighborhoods with a sworn statement of intent. Yeah but this isn't some violent thug* getting arrested. The majority of people would consider him to be an average, non-threatening, and relatable guy. *you know the kind ^^^^^ I honestly couldn't watch the video. Edit: Look on the bright side, it could have gone a lot worse for him if he were a black teenager.
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# ? Aug 1, 2015 03:34 |
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GOProud is (was) an organization of white gay men who wanted the Republican party to focus on the economy (read that as hating blacks, it makes more sense). Well, as a funny story, the GOP would never engage them publicly. Nor even privately, as we recently found out, no matter how much money they could raise. The mere threat of a single phonecall from Tony Perkins kept any member of the GOP from engaging white male republicans who happen to not hate gays, but still hate blacks and mexicans and women and immigrants in general. The co-founder of GOProud is writing a book named "I'm a racist poo poo who thought they'd let me into their club, lol" Oh, poo poo, my bad: his book is actually named: No Hope: Why I Left The GOP (And You Should Too) So it does get better. There is hope. Once the money and prestige runs out, even the worst of gay people do run back to the center. http://www.towleroad.com/2015/07/former-goproud-head-rnc-wouldnt-meet-with-me-over-fears-of-angering-hate-leader-tony-perkins/
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Kanine posted:http://www.newnownext.com/gay-man-pulled-from-home-beaten-by-nypd-officers-yelling-human being-in-horrifying-video/07/2015/ That guy is going to be rich now.
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# ? Aug 1, 2015 17:39 |
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e: wrong thread
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# ? Aug 1, 2015 18:00 |
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Ellen Page is very cool and very good http://www.shewired.com/pride/2015/08/03/ellen-page-attends-pride-flashmob-jamaica-despite-high-risk-homophobic-attacks
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# ? Aug 4, 2015 00:39 |
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WUH OH http://www.pressherald.com/2015/08/04/anti-gay-marriage-group-suffers-another-loss-in-bid-to-conceal-donors-to-maine-campaign/ quote:AUGUSTA — The National Organization for Marriage has lost another round in its attempt to hide the identities of donors to a successful 2009 referendum campaign to reverse Maine’s marriage equality law.
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# ? Aug 4, 2015 21:01 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:WUH OH Haha, gently caress you NOM.
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# ? Aug 5, 2015 03:26 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:WUH OH Yesssssssss.
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# ? Aug 5, 2015 17:21 |
A judge is demanding that Texas's AG appear in court to face contempt charges for disobeying an earlier order not to enforce the stat's SSM ban.quote:Attorney General Ken Paxton and a top state health official were ordered to appear before a federal judge in San Antonio next week to determine if they should be held in contempt for violating a court order prohibiting enforcement of the state’s ban on same-sex marriage.
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# ? Aug 5, 2015 20:55 |
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I do so love seeing all these "if you can't do the time don't do the crime" conservatives sobbing about the awful gay tyranny of the courts.
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# ? Aug 5, 2015 20:58 |
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Brian Brown should save some tears for when the donor list comes out and whatever is left of his lovely organization crumbles. I love the suggestion that politicians have an obligation to jump onto a sinking ship when that's the complete opposite of what they do for obvious reasons. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/07/17/wanted-true-conservative-who-will-lead-on-traditional-marriage-abortion.html quote:In the immediate aftermath of the court’s decision, one could be forgiven for mistaking the rainbow-emblazoned front pages and triumphant headlines of many mainstream publications as something from OUT magazine or The Advocate. Homosexuals only account for 2-3 percent of the population, yet because of a sympathetic press, they have dominated coverage of the marriage debate in a fashion unseen in modern history.
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I feel a little bad for Brown having to make this case using the examples of Iowa and New Hampshire, states that have had marriage equality for 5+ years and where rollback efforts failed.
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