Straight Marriage Is Illegal Now

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jivjov: Sep 13, 2007; But how does it taste? Yummy!; Dinosaur Gum

pookel posted:

I always find it strange when religious people advocate for denying gay rights on the basis that "it's a choice." OK, so what if it were? Religion is a choice too!

It must come from the same place as the idea that "oh well yes sexuality is a choice, I make the right and proper and godly choice". Religion is a choice and the Christians are making the one true right choice.

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alnilam: Nov 10, 2009

I think it's mainly a response to people comparing gay rights to race/gender related civil rights. It's like, "oh yeah, well you can just turn off being gay if you want and then I'll stop opressing you, whereas this black guy (who I'm totally just concern trolling for) can't help being black"

# ? Jul 29, 2015 22:21

Abner Cadaver II: Apr 21, 2009; TONIGHT!

Has anyone ever explicitly continued that logic out to "but if they were choosing to be black, then gently caress 'em"?

# ? Jul 29, 2015 22:23

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Abner Cadaver II posted:

Has anyone ever explicitly continued that logic out to "but if they were choosing to be black, then gently caress 'em"?

Well, with transethnicity emerging, that might eventually be a response.

# ? Jul 29, 2015 22:52

bewilderment: Nov 22, 2007; man what

Morter posted:

Well, with transethnicity emerging, that might eventually be a response.

I'm pretty sure only the strangest or most maladjusted people ever actually subscribe to this.
If someone is mixed race, and looks more 'white' but identifies more with 'black' culture, that's fine and I'm not seeing the problem. But nobody is actually encouraged to take "I'm really Japanese on the inside" seriously.

# ? Jul 30, 2015 04:36

erosion: Dec 21, 2002; It's true and I'm tired of pretending it isn't

jivjov posted:

People love to post all these motivational speakers who were gay but got "turned straight by the power of Christ" or whatever. I'm just like 'No, you got bullied into silence or are actively living a lie or weren't gay to begin with."

http://youtu.be/lFo8NGO4nTA

Cythereal posted:

Because most of these churches do have a worldwide hierarchy and organization, mainly important for funding purposes. A lot of missionary work and church building in Africa, Asia, and South America is funded by wealthy church-goers and donors in North America and Europe. The fact that these conservative branches tend to be the ones with actually growing numbers makes them very politically powerful within the church structure, but the liberal branches tend to have all the money.

Also, it's not just resistance to homosexuality that's causing declining church numbers in North America and Europe. It's general First World church problems, which certainly include resistance to homosexuality but also involve the rise of open atheism, the media almost always coloring all Christianity as hyperconservative fundies, and so on and so forth.

Which makes me wonder: If THE GAYS and fag enablers like myself were able to organize it, is there anything stopping us from joining the church in droves to shift the balance back to change that policy?

# ? Jul 30, 2015 05:01

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Extensive Vamping posted:

http://youtu.be/lFo8NGO4nTA

Which makes me wonder: If THE GAYS and fag enablers like myself were able to organize it, is there anything stopping us from joining the church in droves to shift the balance back to change that policy?

It would depend on the church, really. Some are much more democratic than others.

# ? Jul 30, 2015 05:15

Dr. Killjoy: Oct 9, 2012

Abner Cadaver II posted:

Has anyone ever explicitly continued that logic out to "but if they were choosing to be black, then gently caress 'em"?

Given that the typical response to all these blacks getting killed and harassed by police over the years is that they weren't trying their hardest to be non-threatening and inoffensive as possible [read: have black skin] this is actually the rule of the land.

# ? Jul 30, 2015 06:26

The Dark One: Aug 19, 2005; I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!

ToxicFrog posted:

Aren't the republicans in control of both houses right now? Does this have any hope of passing?

This is from a while back, but I totally read this as "republicans in control of bath houses."

# ? Jul 30, 2015 09:28

Icon Of Sin: Dec 26, 2008

The Dark One posted:

This is from a while back, but I totally read this as "republicans in control of bath houses."

That would make Freep's screeches of "THAT drat BATHHOUSE BARRY IS AT IT AGAIN" even more amusing than they already are.

# ? Jul 30, 2015 13:06

Cythereal: Nov 8, 2009; I love the potoo,
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Extensive Vamping posted:

Which makes me wonder: If THE GAYS and fag enablers like myself were able to organize it, is there anything stopping us from joining the church in droves to shift the balance back to change that policy?

Nope. The liberal branches of the church would probably welcome it. The biggest problem the liberal North American branches of most Christian denominations face is declining numbers - you could probably write a book about why the liberal branches are declining and the conservative branches are growing - and they'd probably be enthusiastic about reversing that trend.

# ? Jul 30, 2015 15:44

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Extensive Vamping posted:

Which makes me wonder: If THE GAYS and fag enablers like myself were able to organize it, is there anything stopping us from joining the church in droves to shift the balance back to change that policy?

That actually came up in either an elders or a council meeting of my church. Someone suggested that if we became an open and affirming church, that there would be nothing stopping LGBTQ people from joining in droves. My comment was "Oh no, what would we do? We can't possibly have more members" :jerkbag:

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alnilam: Nov 10, 2009

Nth Doctor posted:

That actually came up in either an elders or a council meeting of my church. Someone suggested that if we became an open and affirming church, that there would be nothing stopping LGBTQ people from joining in droves. My comment was "Oh no, what would we do? We can't possibly have more members"

"Yeah but then you get to brag that you were members of the church before it got cool"

# ? Jul 30, 2015 16:56

ToxicFrog: Apr 26, 2008

pookel posted:

I always find it strange when religious people advocate for denying gay rights on the basis that "it's a choice." OK, so what if it were? Religion is a choice too!

Yes, and like sexual orientation, it's a choice with only one objectively correct answer¹. Furthermore, everyone really knows what the correct answer is; people who choose otherwise are doing so out of some misguided desire to rebel against God, not because it's what they actually want.

No poo poo, I've seen this in the wild² as an explanation not only for why people are gay but also for why they're athiests (or muslims, or wiccans, or anything except the speaker's own special-snowflake version of christianity).

¹ "heterosexuality" and "whatever specific sect of christianity the speaker belongs to" respectively.
² Which is to say, on the internet, but from people who appeared to be completely serious.

# ? Jul 30, 2015 19:29

WorldsStongestNerd: Apr 28, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

bewilderment posted:

I'm pretty sure only the strangest or most maladjusted people ever actually subscribe to this.
If someone is mixed race, and looks more 'white' but identifies more with 'black' culture, that's fine and I'm not seeing the problem. But nobody is actually encouraged to take "I'm really Japanese on the inside" seriously.

I know a guy who legit believes that mixed and light skin blacks "choose" to identify as black to get the free government goodies. He had never heard of the old one drop rule of decades past where the government classified a mixed person as black fir the purpose of segregation. He could not understand how the gov forced mixed people to join the black community or how that would carry over into modern day culture.

# ? Jul 30, 2015 19:38

A Pale Horse: Jul 29, 2007

So this is extremely hosed up:

quote:

(CNN)An Orthodox Jew who stabbed marchers at a Jerusalem gay pride parade 10 years ago launched another knife attack at the same type of parade in the same city Thursday, stabbing and wounding six people who were on the streets for the event, police said.

Video aired on Israel's Channel 10 shows what appears to be part of the attack at Thursday's gay pride parade in Jerusalem: a man making quick slashing motions at people on a Jerusalem street, including one holding a rainbow flag, while others try to subdue him.

Of the six people stabbed Thursday, two were injured seriously, Israeli police spokeswoman Luba Samri said.

Police arrested Yishai Shlissel in connection with the attack, Samri said.

Israeli police say Shlissel, an Orthodox Jew, was released from prison three weeks ago after serving a 10-year prison sentence for stabbing and wounding three marchers at a Jerusalem gay pride parade in 2005.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Thursday that the government would "pursue justice for those responsible" for the latest attack.

"In the state of Israel, the freedom of choice of an individual is one of the most basic values," Netanyahu said. "We must ensure that in Israel every man and woman lives confidently in any way they (choose).

"This is how we operate and this is how we will continue to operate. I wish a speedy recovery to the injured."

In the Channel 10 video, the apparent assailant is shown on the ground, with two men, including someone who appears to be a police officer, holding him still.

Channel 10 also showed video of several wounded people, including a woman -- her shirt bloody -- who was put onto a stretcher and into an ambulance. Another woman was shown bleeding from her arm as someone applied pressure to the wound.

Hopefully they can put him away forever this time cause he's clearly going to kill someone eventually if given the opportunity.

# ? Jul 30, 2015 21:02

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A Pale Horse posted:

So this is extremely hosed up:

Hopefully they can put him away forever this time cause he's clearly going to kill someone eventually if given the opportunity.

Doing the very same poo poo again after being out of jail for three weeks must be enough reason to give him a much longer sentence. At least I hope so.

# ? Jul 31, 2015 09:31

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

Torrannor posted:

Doing the very same poo poo again after being out of jail for three weeks must be enough reason to give him a much longer sentence. At least I hope so.

Or make one wonder what affect if any prison actually has on violent criminals.

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joat mon: Oct 15, 2009; I am the master of my lamp;
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Or religious zealots

# ? Jul 31, 2015 16:40

Doctor_Fruitbat: Jun 2, 2013

Samurai Sanders posted:

Or make one wonder what affect if any prison actually has on violent criminals.

Stops them from being violent against members of the public. If they clearly can't do that and have learned nothing then they get taken away from the public again.

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Edmund Lava: Sep 8, 2004; Hey, I'm from Brooklyn. I'm going to call myself Mr. Friendly.

Dahn posted:

I'm sure this study has been posted before.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014

It helps explain some of the irrational homophobic people out there.

Maybe homophobia should be in the DSM.

The problem with this study is that disgust and anger can also cause arousal.

# ? Jul 31, 2015 21:34

Kanine: Aug 5, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

http://www.newnownext.com/gay-man-pulled-from-home-beaten-by-nypd-officers-yelling-human being-in-horrifying-video/07/2015/

# ? Jul 31, 2015 22:13

AVeryLargeRadish: Aug 19, 2011; I LITERALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO NOT BE A WEIRD SEXUAL CREEP ABOUT PREPUBESCENT ANIME GIRLS, READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE!!!

Kanine posted:

http://www.newnownext.com/gay-man-pulled-from-home-beaten-by-nypd-officers-yelling-human being-in-horrifying-video/07/2015/

Sickening. I hope the cops get thrown in jail and the city ends up paying some ridiculous sum of money to the victim. :barf:

# ? Jul 31, 2015 22:24

Samurai Sanders: Nov 4, 2003; Pillbug

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Stops them from being violent against members of the public. If they clearly can't do that and have learned nothing then they get taken away from the public again.

It's that "learning something" part that incidents like this should lead us to critically examine rather than just taking as a given.

# ? Jul 31, 2015 22:26

Cythereal: Nov 8, 2009; I love the potoo,
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:

Sickening. I hope the cops get thrown in jail and the city ends up paying some ridiculous sum of money to the victim.

Neither one is going to happen. The media machine will promptly neuter and smother this just like everything short of cops napalming inner-city neighborhoods with a sworn statement of intent.

# ? Jul 31, 2015 22:28

Kanine: Aug 5, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo