Star Citizen: Even the Pope won't invite me to dinner to discuss religion

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imperialparadox: Apr 17, 2012; Don't tell me no one has told the girl she isn't exactly human!

Some dude literally spent pages defending Star Citizen against Eonwe.

You are a good poster Eonwe, i don't care what anybody else says.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 04:46

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# ? May 12, 2024 22:51

That Works: Jul 22, 2006; Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy

Seraph84 posted:

Claim:

Evidence?

http://forums.somethingawful.com/query.php?action=posthistory&userid=215655

Exhibit A for space court.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 04:52

Justin Tyme: Feb 22, 2011

Seraph84 posted:

Mostly $250 - $2,500 thumbnails of concept art, except for my Super Hornet and Mustang which are actually digital spaceships that exist.
Yes, I am Star Citizen's Official Bitcoin Messiah

You may need to visit a biology laboratory and get your classification checked because I think your lack of self awareness puts you into a new class of non-sentient hominid

# ? Aug 9, 2015 05:13

eonwe: Aug 11, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

imperialparadox posted:

Some dude literally spent pages defending Star Citizen against Eonwe.

You are a good poster Eonwe, i don't care what anybody else says.

Thank you friend

# ? Aug 9, 2015 05:15

xanif: Nov 3, 2010; Beer: Who was your first kill, not counting old men?
Eonwe: One of the outlaws in the Brotherhood.
Seraph84: I was there that day. You were only a squire, sixteen years old.
Eonwe: You killed Friendly Tumour with a counter-post. Best move I ever saw.; Oven Wrangler

Because Eowne's the shitposter SA deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a shitposting guardian. A watchful protector. A Pink Elephant.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 05:25

Seraph84: Aug 9, 2015; by XyloJW

That Works posted:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/query.php?action=posthistory&userid=215655

Exhibit A for space court.

Platinum members only, guess I'm not cool enough with my lowly $10 account. *sadface*

Is this what it feels like to be one of you filthy space-poors? Man, your lives must be terrible.

Seraph84 fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Aug 9, 2015

# ? Aug 9, 2015 05:26

Gerbil_Pen: Apr 6, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

Eonwe is a good person, who started the Crowfall vaporware thread and pledged a nice sum to ensure the game is made. He does support indie mmos by famous people so it is OK to like him.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 05:29

Raskolnikov: Nov 25, 2003

Eonwe posted:

Thank you friend

I feel like you're a person that posts. Never stop posting.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 05:38

nnnotime: Sep 30, 2001; Hesitate, and you will be lost.

If the game ever gets released, how hackable will Star Citizen be? I read in a Wiki that Lesnick claims CIG will deal with "loopholes" as quickly as possible. How credible is Lesnick on this subject?

Who will ultimately run this game: CIG and the backers? Or the griefers and hackers?

# ? Aug 9, 2015 06:18

Dusty Lens: Jul 1, 2015; All Glory unto the Stimpire. Give up your arms and legs and embrace the beautiful agony of electricity that doubles in pain every second.

nnnotime posted:

How credible is Lesnick

# ? Aug 9, 2015 06:23

Kimsemus: Dec 4, 2013; by Reene; Toilet Rascal

nnnotime posted:

If the game ever gets released, how hackable will Star Citizen be? I read in a Wiki that Lesnick claims CIG will deal with "loopholes" as quickly as possible. How credible is Lesnick on this subject?

Who will ultimately run this game: CIG and the backers? Or the griefers and hackers?

In a broad answer, any game that offloads critical functions to the client, without doing a checksum with the server, is extremely easy to hack.

Star Citizen, if it ever releases, will go about a week before an aimbot is released.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 06:26

shankerz: Dec 7, 2014; Must Go Faster!!!!!

Seraph84 posted:

Platinum members only, guess I'm not cool enough with my lowly $10 account. *sadface*

Is this what it feels like to be one of you filthy space-poors? Man, your lives must be terrible.

Low tax needs your donations, become Platinum and save your life.

Also fix your profile so u can accept messages fool.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 07:14

Raskolnikov: Nov 25, 2003

shankerz posted:

woof woof

Shankerz thinks it is people. :shobon:

# ? Aug 9, 2015 07:52

Goredema: Oct 16, 2013; RUIN EVERYTHING; Fun Shoe

Seraph84 posted:

Platinum members only, guess I'm not cool enough with my lowly $10 account. *sadface*

You're not "buying" Platinum Membership, you're donating to the shared dream of Something Awesome, and Lowtax is giving you Platinum Access as a thank-you gift.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 08:31

janssendalt: May 7, 2015

xanif posted:

They and expect unicorns and cupcakes?

I paid

and all I got was diagnosed with autism.

But I got to meet Eonwe. Which is nice.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 08:34

The Saddest Robot: Apr 17, 2007

nnnotime posted:

If the game ever gets released, how hackable will Star Citizen be? I read in a Wiki that Lesnick claims CIG will deal with "loopholes" as quickly as possible. How credible is Lesnick on this subject?

Who will ultimately run this game: CIG and the backers? Or the griefers and hackers?

The official answer is that it will be as hackable as you want. It will also be completely unhackable. You can run modded servers for you and your friends. You can hop in and out of the persistent universe. Everything will be great, somehow!

Lesnick is credible. His credibility is tied directly to his caloric intake.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 09:03

xanif: Nov 3, 2010; Beer: Who was your first kill, not counting old men?
Eonwe: One of the outlaws in the Brotherhood.
Seraph84: I was there that day. You were only a squire, sixteen years old.
Eonwe: You killed Friendly Tumour with a counter-post. Best move I ever saw.; Oven Wrangler

Hopefully the torrent leak taught them something about infosec. Client side manipulation of ship stats? That's embarrassing.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 09:28

Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

xanif posted:

Hopefully the torrent leak taught them something about infosec. Client side manipulation of ship stats? That's embarrassing.

What's this torrent leak?

# ? Aug 9, 2015 09:47

Blue On Blue: Nov 14, 2012

Humphreys posted:

What's this torrent leak?

# ? Aug 9, 2015 09:57

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

Sappo569 posted:

and... well

# ? Aug 9, 2015 10:01

xanif: Nov 3, 2010; Beer: Who was your first kill, not counting old men?
Eonwe: One of the outlaws in the Brotherhood.
Seraph84: I was there that day. You were only a squire, sixteen years old.
Eonwe: You killed Friendly Tumour with a counter-post. Best move I ever saw.; Oven Wrangler

Humphreys posted:

What's this torrent leak?

Sappo569 posted:

And this led to the community creating at least one complete rebalance mod: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/387pj4/star_citizen_rebalance_mod_released_no_spoiler/

What's wrong with that? Well, it affected ship stats whether or not you were using the mod. You could set your ship to be nigh invulnerable and join a public match as everything was verified client side.

On one hand, it's pre-pre-alpha and poo poo happens but on the other, really?

# ? Aug 9, 2015 10:14

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRAjAjHV4R0

Property ownership details at Citizen Con.

X weeks until they sell space penthouses.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 10:16

Blue On Blue: Nov 14, 2012

AP posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRAjAjHV4R0

Property ownership details at Citizen Con.

X weeks until they sell space penthouses.

He really needs to stop using his hands when he talks, cause he gots little tiny arms and its hilarious

# ? Aug 9, 2015 10:27

Kakarot: Jul 20, 2013; by zen death robot; Buglord

Will my batch have LTI...

oh god...think of all the property modules :homebrew:

# ? Aug 9, 2015 10:28

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shankerz posted:

Drop the shovel dude.... the hole can't get much deeper.

When Mr. "If I just keep posting here enough, people will forget I'm a bigoted Brown Sea shitlord" Shankerz himself tells you to stop posting, you know you've hit rock bottom.

Seriously, though, whichever one of you spent tenbux making that SC Druggie account to stir the pot, you are a genius.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 10:53

Parias: Jul 17, 2000; My Generosity is again
LEGENDARY!

xanif posted:

And this led to the community creating at least one complete rebalance mod: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/387pj4/star_citizen_rebalance_mod_released_no_spoiler/

What's wrong with that? Well, it affected ship stats whether or not you were using the mod. You could set your ship to be nigh invulnerable and join a public match as everything was verified client side.

On one hand, it's pre-pre-alpha and poo poo happens but on the other, really?

It also enabled scrubs like me to get the old version of the Constellation flyable in space (the one CIG won't actually let anyone fly yet in the public builds): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoDjfPeczUU

But the main reason any of this was possible was because the leak included the tool they use to sign the PAK files - the game won't recognize them unless this tool is used (and there's no way around this I've found yet). For the next major build after the leak, CIG changed all the RSA keys used by the game so it wouldn't recognize modified PAK files even if the Paksign tool was used (as the one from the leak was built with the old keys and there's been no leak of the new version).

As a downside it broke the game a ton of people for with old files because suddenly the game was throwing "unsigned pak" errors due to the auto-patcher not cleaning the old poo poo up when they changed their archive layout around, but the recent builds are effectively unmoddable again. The rebalance mod can't work with current versions.

Anyways yeah - this was just a byproduct of the leak allowing people to freely modify the game files of the current builds at the time. CIG almost immediately addressed that by changing the keys as the signing tool typically isn't something that gets out to the public at all.

Of course anything can still ultimately be cracked given enough dedication, and I agree still they need some kind of server-side verification (for the Persistent Universe at least - we should still be able to mod the poo poo out of any offline modes of the game) to keep things sane.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 11:01

xanif: Nov 3, 2010; Beer: Who was your first kill, not counting old men?
Eonwe: One of the outlaws in the Brotherhood.
Seraph84: I was there that day. You were only a squire, sixteen years old.
Eonwe: You killed Friendly Tumour with a counter-post. Best move I ever saw.; Oven Wrangler

Parias posted:

It also enabled scrubs like me to get the old version of the Constellation flyable in space (the one CIG won't actually let anyone fly yet in the public builds): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoDjfPeczUU

But the main reason any of this was possible was because the leak included the tool they use to sign the PAK files - the game won't recognize them unless this tool is used (and there's no way around this I've found yet). For the next major build after the leak, CIG changed all the RSA keys used by the game so it wouldn't recognize modified PAK files even if the Paksign tool was used (as the one from the leak was built with the old keys and there's been no leak of the new version).

As a downside it broke the game a ton of people for with old files because suddenly the game was throwing "unsigned pak" errors due to the auto-patcher not cleaning the old poo poo up when they changed their archive layout around, but the recent builds are effectively unmoddable again. The rebalance mod can't work with current versions.

Anyways yeah - this was just a byproduct of the leak allowing people to freely modify the game files of the current builds at the time. CIG almost immediately addressed that by changing the keys as the signing tool typically isn't something that gets out to the public at all.

Of course anything can still ultimately be cracked given enough dedication, and I agree still they need some kind of server-side verification (for the Persistent Universe at least - we should still be able to mod the poo poo out of any offline modes of the game) to keep things sane.

Honestly, I've rarely been happier to be proven idiotic. I was under the impression that the rebalance mod was a simple xml file modification. I'm actually really stoked that it was a temporary issue that has been mostly resolved, even if sever-side verification hasn't been implemented yet.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 11:16

Amun Khonsu: Sep 15, 2012; wtf did he just say?; Grimey Drawer

The game is no longer pre-pre alpha. According to CIG its in alpha. It should be at least in beta. I suspect that building a beta version will be a considerable challenge against time and monetary resources.

Thats not to say they havent made some degree of progress, but i can see what CRs end game is leading to and its way more expensive that $86 million. Keeping up funding to complete the game without a playable beta release is going to be incredibly difficult.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 11:16

Incombibulator: Dec 9, 2014; I'm ready for my close-up
Ms. Gardiner...; Grimey Drawer

The moment when the Lord Croberts blessed the pilgrim for the first time outside of masturbatory fantasies.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 11:38

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

Amun Khonsu posted:

Keeping up funding to complete the game without a playable beta release is going to be incredibly difficult.

Funding is fine till December even if they don't ship anything. Assuming they manage to get at least the social module out in December they are in no danger of dropping below the 1 million a month, Derek Smart gets interviewed, danger zone until well into next year.

They had to sell LTI Retaliators to do it is all.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 11:40

peter gabriel: Nov 8, 2011; Hello Commandos

Octopode posted:

On any modern version of Windows, a BSOD is much more likely indicative of a problem with your computer's hardware or drivers than the software that induced it.

I keep getting a BSOD as well

Bullshit Space Opera Delays :smug:

# ? Aug 9, 2015 12:46

Tippis: Mar 21, 2008; It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Dusty Lens posted:

Excruciatingly long answer:

quote:

We�re already thousands and thousands of animation assets, and we don�t really want to double up on them.

I can't believe people transcribe this.

That's a lot of guff to simply say �we somehow think that every animation must exist in first-person and just can't be arsed�. Also, the notion that modern games don't have a lot of animations that has to exist in both third and first person is just baffling. I'm kind of wondering what he's using as his pool of reference.

xanif posted:

And this led to the community creating at least one complete rebalance mod: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/387pj4/star_citizen_rebalance_mod_released_no_spoiler/

What's wrong with that? Well, it affected ship stats whether or not you were using the mod. You could set your ship to be nigh invulnerable and join a public match as everything was verified client side.

On one hand, it's pre-pre-alpha and poo poo happens but on the other, really?

So it's basically Freelancer all over again? And pre-pre-alpha or not, there really is no excuse to have that stuff client-side in a multiplayer match. It's almost the first thing you should do properly once the netcode stops trying to process all incoming commands backwards � as in when you're at the �we've just managed to have two primitive cube shapes exist in the same arena� stage of the development. Jeez�

Tippis fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Aug 9, 2015

# ? Aug 9, 2015 12:52

Ffycchi: Jun 4, 2014; Sigh...challenge accepted...shitty photoshop incoming.

Zeike posted:

Guys, can we take it easy on Seraph, hes a cool guy and its good to have another perspective on Star Citizen.

Dare I say... Space Court?

poo poo like this is why I lurk here so much...loving gold.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 12:56

Zzulu: May 15, 2009; (â°ËvËâ°)

Is the game good yet

# ? Aug 9, 2015 12:59

xanif: Nov 3, 2010; Beer: Who was your first kill, not counting old men?
Eonwe: One of the outlaws in the Brotherhood.
Seraph84: I was there that day. You were only a squire, sixteen years old.
Eonwe: You killed Friendly Tumour with a counter-post. Best move I ever saw.; Oven Wrangler

Define "game."

Because, no.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 13:15

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

AP posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRAjAjHV4R0

Property ownership details at Citizen Con.

X weeks until they sell space penthouses.

Organizations can either be gifted ships, or permitted to borrow them under a variable number of constraints.

At CitizenCon more info will be provided about organizational spaces, similar to the penthouse that $10K ultra spergs got. Basically organizational hangars, storage spaces, etc.

As part of the bounty system there will also be a treaty system, which will include relationship mechanics. Things like cutting out certain orgs, etc.

They're trying to avoid EVE-style timezone "warfare" and they're working on hoping to solve it through solutions like NPC defenders.

Long term (not at launch) the intent is to "definitely" allow organizations to claim territory and declare their ownership.

In a future org drop more ranks and other stuff will be available.

Reputation stuff is in debate. Strongest argument is to avoid punishing entire org through the actions of one player. Organizational leaders might get reports indicating how many criminals or bad people they have. The goal is to allow orgs to self-police.

When it comes to reputation, the captain/ship decides the response.

Exploration. Biggest challenge is finding a jump point (Endeavor science ship reveal will discuss scanning). Traversing will be difficult but skill based; not impossible to do on the first try.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 13:33

Zzulu: May 15, 2009; (â°ËvËâ°)

xanif posted:

Define "game."

Because, no.

Aw shucks

# ? Aug 9, 2015 13:34

Warcabbit: Apr 26, 2008; Wedge Regret

Is the Endeavor supposed to be bigger or smaller than the Carrack?
Edit: Oh, it's the thing Cutlass-Reds dock to. Bigger. a lot bigger.

# ? Aug 9, 2015 13:46

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

Warcabbit posted:

Is the Endeavor supposed to be bigger or smaller than the Carrack?
Edit: Oh, it's the thing Cutlass-Reds dock to. Bigger. a lot bigger.

I would guess somewhere between an Idris (238m) and a Reclaimer (158m).

# ? Aug 9, 2015 13:51

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# ? May 12, 2024 22:51

Seraph84: Aug 9, 2015; by XyloJW

nnnotime posted:

If the game ever gets released, how hackable will Star Citizen be?

Actively developed software with a decent information security team is generally anti-fragile. The more Star Citizen is attacked by hackers over the course of the next 19 years of development, the harder it will be to hack when it releases in 2034.

In all seriousness, if CIG doesn't require clients to run listening software when connected to the PU, they're fully loving retarded.

BTW awhile back some rando forumturd in this thread said that anyone who claimed to have made money flipping ships is a liar. I made over 2 grand selling LTI ships at inflated prices to fools on reddit - enough to get my destroyer almost for free. Now what?

nnnotime posted:

How credible is Lesnick on this subject?

-_-

Seraph84 fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Aug 9, 2015

# ? Aug 9, 2015 14:25

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