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lol they literally think sanders is racist and nationalist. loving outrage warriors
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NecroMonster posted:doesn't loving matter and equally It matters a whole lot who and how. Equally is borderline meaningless, equally by what standard?
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Aug 11, 2015 04:52
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Strudel Man posted:Seems like that might create some undesirable incentives, if all(?) income were redistributed equally. Ya for the week before the scheduled redistribution by Big Government there would be some serious poo poo going down. Rich people would leave in droves, taking assets with them however they could. Poor people would buy all kinds of junk on credit expecting their windfalls. A whole new credit industry would probably emerge to prey on them. It would be bedlam
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Aug 11, 2015 04:54
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Tautologicus posted:It matters a whole lot who and how. Equally is borderline meaningless, equally by what standard? i duno what metric would you like to use? i mean we could choose sex or race would one of those make you happy? how about umm... erm... worth? would that work for you? we give the people worth more more? I mean clearly some people are worth more than others right?
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Aug 11, 2015 04:56
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Strudel Man posted:Good educators are those that use effective methods. Classroom segregation helps enforce conformity, which in turn helps make sure that the students give the same correct answers to the questions being asked. There's a lot more to school and learning than saying the correct answer. For example, interacting with a variety of peers.
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Aug 11, 2015 04:58
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NecroMonster posted:i duno what metric would you like to use? How about you actually answer the question, how would it be redistributed and by whom. This is not a rhetorical question
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Aug 11, 2015 04:58
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Ork of Fiction posted:Classroom segregation helps enforce conformity, which in turn helps make sure that the students give the same correct answers to the questions being asked. but how do i test if the students are interacting with a variety of peers?
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Aug 11, 2015 04:59
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Ork of Fiction posted:Classroom segregation helps enforce conformity, which in turn helps make sure that the students give the same correct answers to the questions being asked.
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Aug 11, 2015 05:06
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Strudel Man posted:It strikes me that it's probably more of an issue of removing distractions than enforcing conformity. that's because you are dumb as hell
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Aug 11, 2015 05:07
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Tautologicus posted:How about you actually answer the question, how would it be redistributed and by whom. This is not a rhetorical question equally is pretty fuckin clear as an answer and you seem to be really struggling with equal distribution of wealth as a concept
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Aug 11, 2015 05:07
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The Saurus posted:equally is pretty fuckin clear as an answer and you seem to be really struggling with equal distribution of wealth as a concept noooo dont talk to it nooooo
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Aug 11, 2015 05:08
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Tautologicus posted:How about you actually answer the question, how would it be redistributed and by whom. This is not a rhetorical question
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Aug 11, 2015 05:36
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I think we should redistribute donald trump's toupee to the homeless, and let them ransom it back to him
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Aug 11, 2015 05:45
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Oh im talking to a bunch of morons. I apologize What is the incentive for people to do work that adds value if they will be paid as much as the next person. If the miner and the gemcutter are paid the same, what incentive does the gemcutter have to add value to the diamond? I said this and many other things like it in a similar thread and it was conveniently ignored. A perceived-value economy disappears when equal pay or equal wealth is enforced. Maybe thats ok but thats why you actually have to think about things before you push them on people.
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Aug 11, 2015 05:45
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Tautologicus posted:Oh im talking to a bunch of morons. I apologize You're ignoring aesthetic and emotional value.
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Aug 11, 2015 05:47
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Tautologicus posted:Oh im talking to a bunch of morons. I apologize pro tip: this isn't D&D, and while the actual mechanics and/or morality of wealth redistribution makes for a fascination topic, you're being attacked because, again, this isn't D&D D&D will ignore you because they're stalinists, GBS will attack you because you won't shut up about serious topics in the "make fun of really dumb protestors who attacked someone on their side over trivial misinterpretations, deliberate or otherwise" thread
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Aug 11, 2015 05:48
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Tautologicus posted:How about you actually answer the question, how would it be redistributed and by whom. This is not a rhetorical question its pretty simple actually. first government jackboots carry out a simultaneous dawn raid on the homes of the top 10% wealthiest americans. they are executed and their assets seized by the state. then bernie drives down the streets of low income neighbourhoods throwing handfuls of cash at poors while l'internationale blasts from the stereo.
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Aug 11, 2015 05:53
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Cowman posted:You're ignoring aesthetic and emotional value. Yes but people won't pay more for something than the next person when eveyone makes the same earnings, because the price is no longer the criteria of value. GeneX posted:pro tip: this isn't D&D, and while the actual mechanics and/or morality of wealth redistribution makes for a fascination topic, you're being attacked because, again, this isn't D&D Gotta start somewhere. Redistributing the wealth is a core reason why Sanders is popular. Jealous talentless liberals think theyll get a freebie. Sanders is alright overall though
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Aug 11, 2015 05:53
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Sonofsilversign posted:its pretty simple actually. first government jackboots carry out a simultaneous dawn raid on the homes of the top 10% wealthiest americans. they are executed and their assets seized by the state. then bernie drives down the streets of low income neighbourhoods throwing handfuls of cash at poors while l'internationale blasts from the stereo. Maybe if it were airdropped instead...
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Aug 11, 2015 05:55
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GeneX posted:pro tip: this isn't D&D, and while the actual mechanics and/or morality of wealth redistribution makes for a fascination topic, you're being attacked because, again, this isn't D&D this thread is more about "lol @ retarded infights in the american left"
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Aug 11, 2015 05:55
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Tautologicus posted:Yes but people won't pay more for something than the next person when eveyone makes the same earnings, because the price is no longer the criteria of value. everyone makes the same earrings i know this because people are like robots and all products they churn out are identical in every aspect
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Aug 11, 2015 05:55
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Tautologicus posted:Yes but people won't pay more for something than the next person when eveyone makes the same earnings, because the price is no longer the criteria of value. You have 2 shirts that are the same price. You choose one over the other even though they are the same price. Is this choice simply a random pick or is there some judgment being made that isn't based on monetary value?
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Aug 11, 2015 05:57
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Tautologicus posted:Oh im talking to a bunch of morons. I apologize i was actually thinking more along the lines of progressive taxation, higher wages and benefits for workers and more government support for non-workers. but sure i guess we could just jump straight to paying ceos and janitors the same government stipend and making the wait in the breadline lmao
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Aug 11, 2015 05:57
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NecroMonster posted:everyone makes the same earrings i know this because people are like robots and all products they churn out are identical in every aspect And so, again, what is the criteria for redistributing the wealth
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Aug 11, 2015 05:58
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Triple A posted:this thread is more about "lol @ retarded infights in the american left" Sanders is literally a racist and a nationalist. people who support his platform are either white and nationalists themselves or misguided and naive enough to support a racist, nationalist zionist campaign. so what if #BLACK LIVES MATTER interrupted some left-liberal's wankings in the presidential theater? It shut Sanders up for a while made him shift his paltform as damage control, and gave BLM more publicity. there is no downside. Sanders is not a threat to either the republicans or democrats. his campaign doesn't matter all that much. BLM, though, as a grassroots people's movement, is hugely important, and they will conquer Amerikka lol
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Tautologicus posted:Yes but people won't pay more for something than the next person when eveyone makes the same earnings, because the price is no longer the criteria of value. You have a memento from the first date with your significant other. You have been happily married for many years. The memento is a useless trinket, perhaps a receipt from the restaurant you ate at, it holds no monetary value whatsoever and others would see it as trash. Despite this, you hold onto it. It is significant. Why is it significant?
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Aug 11, 2015 06:01
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Triple A posted:this thread is more about "lol @ retarded infights in the american left" fair
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Aug 11, 2015 06:02
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Cowman posted:You have 2 shirts that are the same price. You choose one over the other even though they are the same price. Is this choice simply a random pick or is there some judgment being made that isn't based on monetary value? I understood that part and I said that what is the incentive for one to be made out of better materials and distributed more freely. Does "redistributing the wealth" just mean "more taxes" then or what. How far do people want to go with this. Where does the magic happen
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Aug 11, 2015 06:02
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Cowman posted:You have a memento from the first date with your significant other. You have been happily married for many years. The memento is a useless trinket, perhaps a receipt from the restaurant you ate at, it holds no monetary value whatsoever and others would see it as trash. Despite this, you hold onto it. It is significant. Why is it significant? beep boop i do not understand
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Aug 11, 2015 06:03
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Cowman posted:You have a memento from the first date with your significant other. You have been happily married for many years. The memento is a useless trinket, perhaps a receipt from the restaurant you ate at, it holds no monetary value whatsoever and others would see it as trash. Despite this, you hold onto it. It is significant. Why is it significant? This has nothing at all to do with my point but i briefly felt a twinge of emotion somewhere in my cybernetic circuitry while reading
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Aug 11, 2015 06:04
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Strudel Man posted:It strikes me that it's probably more of an issue of removing distractions than enforcing conformity. In practice it is the same thing. Differences create distraction. A homogenous group allows for a quick establishment of a single unchallenged social structure, and that's very good when it comes to setting beliefs (and facts are nothing but beliefs that happen to be true.) That's one of the reasons why cults are so into conformity. And, like cults, when people who come from a segregated environment have to interact with people from outside of their bubble, it gets weird and bad So basically, segregation is great for brainwashing, but it takes more than brainwashing to make a person.
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Aug 11, 2015 06:05
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Ork of Fiction posted:In practice it is the same thing. Differences create distraction. A homogenous group allows for a quick establishment of a single unchallenged social structure, and that's very good when it comes to setting beliefs (and facts are nothing but beliefs that happen to be true.) That's one of the reasons why cults are so into conformity. And, like cults, when people who come from a segregated environment have to interact with people from outside of their bubble, it gets weird and bad
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Aug 11, 2015 06:12
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Tautologicus posted:I understood that part and I said that what is the incentive for one to be made out of better materials and distributed more freely. Does "redistributing the wealth" just mean "more taxes" then or what. How far do people want to go with this. Where does the magic happen typically for most socialists redistribution of wealth means take more from the rich and less from the poor while using the money taken from the rich to institute beneficial social programs and increase the number of state employees. how much you take and do is a matter for debate
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Aug 11, 2015 06:14
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Strudel Man posted:I just don't find this is a very useful framework for understanding a system which would be aimed mostly at keeping Billy and Jenny from thinking about having sex with each other while in the middle of class. lol those drat kids always paying more attention to their biological urges instead of their social indoctrination
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Aug 11, 2015 06:16
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Strudel Man posted:I just don't find this is a very useful framework for understanding a system which would be aimed mostly at keeping Billy and Jenny from thinking about having sex with each other while in the middle of class. Oh, I was mostly thinking about D&D and all the other ideological segregationists, sorry.  But it's the underlying principle. Studies show that gender and race segregated classes do better than not. If you can then segregate for sexuality, you will probably do even better. But, at the end of the day, gently caress your test scores.
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Aug 11, 2015 06:17
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yeah it's important to keep in mind that "do better" in this case means "score better on tests" and not "be a more complete and capable human being"
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Aug 11, 2015 06:20
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Sonofsilversign posted:typically for most socialists redistribution of wealth means take more from the rich and less from the poor while using the money taken from the rich to institute beneficial social programs and increase the number of state employees. how much you take and do is a matter for debate Yes, but through taxes or by executive order, or bank nationalization, or what? European social democracies do it through taxes but as we see now, many of the social democracies are failing, aside from Germany largely because the organization of their education systems and business/financial sectors, as well as a cultural interest in saving money over spending it. Their success can't be replicated with another taxation scheme. So how is this going to happen
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thats a valid question but im at work and this gbs so im not gonna type a huge post about it. my model would be more America on the 50's than Europe tho. you'd have to address tax evasion and multinational corporations with a global policy as well its hardly a simple solution.
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Sonofsilversign posted:thats a valid question but im at work and this gbs so im not gonna type a huge post about it. my model would be more America on the 50's than Europe tho. you'd have to address tax evasion and multinational corporations with a global policy as well its hardly a simple solution. Ya
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If you actually want to help minorities its comparatively simpler than trying to reform the police under an oligarchy or trying to fight a culture war using a bunch of feel-good academic buzzwords imo
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