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I support useful policy, not kneejerk legislation, thank you. Improved gun control does need to happen, and we could probably do without most of the handguns we have floating around in the country, but pretending like you're actually facing a real risk of being shot in your day-to-day life in America is nonsense if you aren't a criminal. You're letting media hysteria frighten and terrify you.
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zoux posted:Wait I thought of one. Why the gently caress is this a line graph. Why are there two y-axes for continuous variables that could be plotted against one another. Why are these eight countries included and not any of the other 187. Why choose two colors that are so similar when you already have differently-shaped data points that are also stupidly similar. So many questions about why this graph is so terrible. 
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zoux posted:Well, since those things are way more valuable than human lives, I see the strength of the argument. "Give me one good reason why you should have this thing." *gives multiple legitimate, non-lethal uses for this thing* "ARE YOU SAYING HUMAN LIVES ARE WORTHLESS?  "
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Warcabbit posted:Why don't we do something that'd really help reduce this sort of thing, and improve treatment for mental illness? I agree we desperately need to improve mental healthcare, but I don't see how that would have helped in this specific case. How could this guy have been forced into treatment? I don't see him turning himself in.
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Active shooters of unarmed people is a constant problem, regardless of how small it is statistically in comparison to young black men being killed (as if that isn't also a gun problem). Blaming the media for reporting on it, rather than pretending it doesn't exist, might help certain narratives but won't help preventing it from happening.
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Doctor Butts posted:I'm sorry, do you think this is an argument against gun control? It's an argument against enacting gun control based on outliers like this. Honestly, this kind of thing is why I no longer support gun control, and prefer social/economic welfare and mental illness treatment as means of reducing crime and gun death. Happily, this does not change my voting pattern at all.
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Talmonis posted:A lot of people actually need protection in their line of work. Certain kinds of lawyers for instance. People who perform evictions or repossession. Police need them solely due to the public already having so many. Anyone who transports money/gems. I don't know, I think they'd look a lot cooler with Uzis strapped to their bodies or something rather than a handgun hidden somewhere on their person.
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chitoryu12 posted:"Give me one good reason why you should have this thing." I'm saying handguns should be banned. And all guns too and the Second Amendment should be repealed as well.
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Brannock posted:I support useful policy, not kneejerk legislation, thank you. We're not frightened, we're angry.
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Warcabbit posted:Why don't we do something that'd really help reduce this sort of thing, and improve treatment for mental illness? Well we'd have to raise taxes somewhere down the line and gently caress, YOU I GOT MINE RIGHT HERE MOTHERFUCKER.
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haveblue posted:This sounds like a perfect time for North Dakota to legalize police taserdrones. Well, a drone can't pull the wrong gun by accident, at least.
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chitoryu12 posted:"Give me one good reason why you should have this thing." How about this, there are no good reasons to own guns. Period.
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chitoryu12 posted:*gives multiple legitimate, non-lethal uses for this thing* Wait, back up. Did I miss someone explaining how to use a gun as a can opener or something?
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zoux posted:I'm saying handguns should be banned. And all guns too and the Second Amendment should be repealed as well. Exactly how many countries have legislation banning civilian ownership of all firearms? I know the answer. I want to see if you know it.
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chitoryu12 posted:Exactly how many countries have legislation banning civilian ownership of all firearms? I don't give a poo poo.
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Mulva posted:How about this, there are no good reasons to own guns. Period. Here are some: Brannock posted:Every time people talk about how you absolutely don't ever need guns I just think of the stories from people talking about using guns to defend themselves. Some of those stories don't involve using guns, but most do and I just read them thinking about how all of those people would have been doomed to those horrible experiences or being murdered if they weren't able to defend themselves. The Command and Conquer one is particularly disturbing. Oh, also, I like that I got accused of being an empathy-free robot for writing that post. 
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Being a coward is not a good reason.
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Job loss is an even bigger trigger for this sort of thing. How to fix both that and the mental health issue are beyond my pay grade.
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If your citation is Reddit, welp.
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As a strict constitutionalist I believe everyone in the US has the right to carry any guns made in 1791 or before. Ban everything else. Lets see some fucker try and shoot up a cinema armed only with a muzzle loader.
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Brannock posted:Fun thing to think about! The vast majority of people who are killed with a firearm in America have criminal records! If you're not a young black male and don't have a criminal record you have a vanishingly small chance of being a firearm homicide victim. But let the media whip up the hysteria and frenzy. actually the majority of people who are killed with a firearm in america are middle aged white males who commit suicide, which is why i think any effort to restrict gun ownership is ultimately regressive there are a lot of young male persons of color killed by homicide but there are even more older white men who shoot themselves every day, let alone veterans etc.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:actually the majority of people who are killed with a firearm in america are middle aged white males who commit suicide, which is why i think any effort to restrict gun ownership is ultimately regressive Sounds like the problem should work itself out then.
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I saw a black person once and now I need to equip my bedroom with an M2 machine gun
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Maybe the truth is somewhere... Bahahahaha. As someone who wants to take driving away from the general public because it results in too many needless deaths I am going to be hard to convince people need military arms ~because~
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RuanGacho posted:Maybe the truth is somewhere... Bahahahaha. given how often people commit suicide with firearms i don't see why we would want to restrict people's capacity to choose a relatively instant and painless death. gun control is just inhibiting people's ability to choose self-determination
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An Angry Bug posted:Being a coward is not a good reason. Congratulations! You just called victims of horrific crimes and brutal rapes "cowards"!
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Aug 26, 2015 19:01
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Brannock posted:I support useful policy, not kneejerk legislation, thank you. If a shooting happens every few weeks, all legislation becomes kneejerk!
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Brannock posted:Here are some: Anecdotes aren't data.
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Brannock posted:I support useful policy, not kneejerk legislation, thank you. This sort of bullshit has happened so many times it would be disingenuous to call it 'knee-jerk'. Brannock posted:Oh hey guys its no big deal if someone is murdered if they had a criminal record. Didn't you know that being convicted of a crime at any point in the past makes it OK if you are murdered? It probably really isn't even murder at that point. Stop listening to media hysteria.
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Brannock posted:I support useful policy, not kneejerk legislation, thank you.
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4 Unarmed travelers jumped a guy with an AK in the Thalys and got Knighted by President Hollande. gently caress off with those stupid guns imo.
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Here's a useful policy: ban guns and confiscate them from their owners and break them in front of them and collect their tears to mitigate drought conditions brought about by climate change.
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Brannock posted:Congratulations! You just called victims of horrific crimes and brutal rapes "cowards"! Well according to Trump at the very least they would be losers.
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Mulva posted:Anecdotes aren't data. Good thing the question you asked was about reasons. If we want to discuss data then we can talk about how the vast majority of firearm homicide victims are of a cohort that is overwhelmingly unlikely to include white liberals who hand-wring about the prospect that some insane Republican is going to burst into their sidewalk cafes and execute them with assault rifles.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:given how often people commit suicide with firearms i don't see why we would want to restrict people's capacity to choose a relatively instant and painless death. gun control is just inhibiting people's ability to choose self-determination Help the Poe's law monster has me in its jaws and it smells funny like its been eating texmex!
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Brannock posted:Good thing the question you asked was about reasons. If we want to discuss data then we can talk about how firearm homicide victims are of a cohort that is overwhelmingly unlikely to include white liberals who hand-wring about the prospect that some insane Republican is going to burst into their sidewalk cafes and execute them with assault rifles. I also care about people who are not me being murdered.
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Brannock posted:Good thing the question you asked was about reasons. If we want to discuss data then we can talk about how the vast majority of firearm homicide victims are of a cohort that is overwhelmingly unlikely to include white liberals who hand-wring about the prospect that some insane Republican is going to burst into their sidewalk cafes and execute them with assault rifles. I think your personal calendar is leaking into USPol.
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Brannock posted:Congratulations! You just called victims of horrific crimes and brutal rapes "cowards"! Any other poo poo to spew
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DeusExMachinima posted:Not joking. Rights have limits. If news reports about shootings are part of what's helping people to get shot, either you care about people getting shot or you don't. So make up your mind. Don't, then. Having answered your extremely stark contrast question, could I get a list of the topics that won't be censored in your brave new world (as I'd imagine it'll be shorter than a list of what will)? I can guarantee you that whatever isn't initially subject to censorship will be sooner rather than later when some other rear end in a top hat kills people over it. Giving pieces of poo poo like this dude power by letting them negatively influence how we do things is a poor choice.
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