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Brannock posted:Every time people talk about how you absolutely don't ever need guns I just think about people who used them for self defense instead of all the people who have been murdered by them.
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Gun confiscation would lead to an honest to god civil war and terrorist insurgency. I'd rather not have armed lunatics murdering unarmed people they manage to catch for being suspected "gun grabbers".
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Aug 26, 2015 19:07
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Brannock posted:Congratulations! You just called victims of horrific crimes and brutal rapes "cowards"! Nah, just you.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:07
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I do enjoy when right-wingers bitch about gun deaths being "used to advance an agenda" as if gun murders are purely incidental to the whole idea of gun control. Liberals just hate guns for no reason and want to spoil your redneck fun, the murders are just an unrelated thing used to score the occasional point.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:07
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Reporter, Cameraman Murdered: "Oh No My Guns!" Think Nation's Shitheads.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:07
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Brannock posted:Good thing the question you asked was about reasons. If we want to discuss data then we can talk about how the vast majority of firearm homicide victims are of a cohort that is overwhelmingly unlikely to include white liberals who hand-wring about the prospect that some insane Republican is going to burst into their sidewalk cafes and execute them with assault rifles. this is equally true of strapped up old white guys who fear 'muggers' but are far more likely to blow a hole in their own leg standing in line at the picadilly
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zoux posted:I also care about people who are not me being murdered. I do, too, which is why I support improved regulations on firearm ownership in America, along with a higher minimum wage, desegregating neighborhoods, improved access to healthcare and mental care, ending the War on Drugs, and sundry other fixes to our social network in America, all and each of which will have a far more dramatic effect on the homicide rate than improved regulation on firearm ownership.
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Bunleigh posted:I do enjoy when right-wingers bitch about gun deaths being "used to advance an agenda" as if gun murders are purely incidental to the whole idea of gun control. Liberals just hate guns for no reason and want to spoil your redneck fun, the murders are just an unrelated thing used to score the occasional point. Also interesting when TFR floods D&D only after someone murders people with a gun.
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An Angry Bug posted:Nah, just you. I don't own any guns and I'm also not terrified of the slim statistical probability of being shot when I go out in my day-to-day life, so I think it's safe to say I'm not a coward.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:10
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zoux posted:Reporter, Cameraman Murdered: "Oh No My Guns!" Think Nation's Shitheads. CNN will now go live to pictures of people milling about looking for the most informed take on event they were recently in proximity of.
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I think, that murder is bad
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Aug 26, 2015 19:12
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zoux posted:Here's a useful policy: ban guns and confiscate them from their owners and break them in front of them and collect their tears to mitigate drought conditions brought about by climate change.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:13
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Republicans: Why have gun control? People are just going to get guns anyways. Also Republicans: aBORTION MUST BE ILLEGAL OR ELSE ALL THE WOMEN ARE GOING TO START KILLING BABIES. Me: *looks into camera like I'm on the Office*
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Aug 26, 2015 19:13
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Peztopiary posted:Don't, then. Having answered your extremely stark contrast question, could I get a list of the topics that won't be censored in your brave new world (as I'd imagine it'll be shorter than a list of what will)? I can guarantee you that whatever isn't initially subject to censorship will be sooner rather than later when some other rear end in a top hat kills people over it. Giving pieces of poo poo like this dude power by letting them negatively influence how we do things is a poor choice. Someone gets murdered and the first thing you think is "Oh no not my rights!"
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Brannock posted:I do, too, which is why I support improved regulations on firearm ownership in America, along with a higher minimum wage, desegregating neighborhoods, improved access to healthcare and mental care, ending the War on Drugs, and sundry other fixes to our social network in America, all and each of which will have a far more dramatic effect on the homicide rate than improved regulation on firearm ownership. That's great, but improved regulations on firearm ownership could (in theory) be enacted tomorrow, while all the other things you mentioned are going to take decades to bear enough fruit to impact gun violence.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:14
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Dead Reckoning posted:All our most useful social policy has been authored by our desire to slight people we disagree with. Nah the schadenfreude is just a side benefit of the sharp decrease in violent crime and suicides we'd see from a total gun ban.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:14
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zoux posted:Nah the schadenfreude is just a side benefit of the sharp decrease in violent crime and suicides we'd see from a total gun ban. i still don't see why you'd want to reduce the suicide rate among white men aged 40+ and veterans. they have rights too ya'know
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Aug 26, 2015 19:15
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AfroLine posted:Republicans: Why have gun control? People are just going to get guns anyways. The real murderers are the health clinics, only legislation and law can stop them! Except for those gun crimes. Nothing stops that.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:15
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zoux posted:Reporter, Cameraman Murdered: "Oh No My Guns!" Think Nation's Shitheads. this isn't a credible stance if you're going to use this and any other media incident involving guns as an immediate opportunity to insist we have a SERIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT GUNS: SPECIFICALLY WHY THEY SHOULD BE ABOLISHED FOREVER because you know, that's a position that people might want to respond to why are you so opposed to people wanting to participate in a conversation re: guns immediately after a shooting?
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Aug 26, 2015 19:16
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Brannock posted:I don't own any guns and I'm also not terrified of the slim statistical probability of being shot when I go out in my day-to-day life, so I think it's safe to say I'm not a coward. lol why would you willingly patsy for the nra if you dont even get to wave guns around, thats half the fun
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Aug 26, 2015 19:16
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If you think about it, the real victim here was the quality of posting in the USPOL August thread.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:17
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maybe it's is not a gun issue but mental health???
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Aug 26, 2015 19:17
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Gunman's dead according to MSNBC.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:17
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AfroLine posted:maybe it's is not a gun issue but mental health??? crazy people also have the right to self defense, including defending themselves from themselves if necessary
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Aug 26, 2015 19:19
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Quorum posted:If you think about it, the real victim here was the quality of posting in the USPOL August thread. Which is surprising since I've been posting here since before this mess.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:19
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A minority of killers will find a way to kill without guns, this is true. It probably wouldn't hurt if we banned news orgs from "covering" this poo poo 24/7 aka immortalizing the shooters. In addition to the other stuff we need to do. Your "rights" are not more important than lives.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:19
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His manifesto leaked. Yeah, I'd say that there was a definite mental health angle.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:20
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Brannock posted:I support useful policy, not kneejerk legislation, thank you. You can't just call any legislation "knee-jerk policy" on calendar proximity to a shooting, otherwise all legislation would fall under that name. What would be an appropriate "cooling-off" period, as it were, between murder and drafting a bill?
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Aug 26, 2015 19:21
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DeusExMachinima posted:A minority of killers will find a way to kill without guns, this is true. It probably wouldn't hurt if we banned news orgs from "covering" this poo poo 24/7 aka immortalizing the shooters. In addition to the other stuff we need to do. What about the quality of my life if I can't get more guns? I might as well be dead.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:21
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Has anyone blamed this latest violence on #blacklivesmatter yet? Guns don't kill people, poor access to mental healthcare and a cultural stigma against psychotherapy in America's black community kills people.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:21
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Guns are cool and good. A better solution would be to ban news.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:21
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DeusExMachinima posted:Someone gets murdered and the first thing you think is "Oh no not my rights!" Actually, the first thing I thought was "That's terrible." Would it be fair of me to state that the first thing you thought was "Finally, an excuse to make the world conform to my beliefs!" or is your basic humanity to be taken as a given?
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Aug 26, 2015 19:22
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Maybe if we met halfway and only banned accurate guns.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:23
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MariusLecter posted:What about the quality of my life if I can't get more guns? I might as well be dead. It's really funny how "leftists" make these jokes about the 2nd Amendment, but when the exact same question gets asked about why you need the ability to immortalize killers and/or support Nazism it becomes all "oh no my 1A rights!"
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Aug 26, 2015 19:23
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Zeroisanumber posted:His manifesto leaked. People are dead because he didn't like the quality of calamari?
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Aug 26, 2015 19:23
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DolphinCop posted:lol why would you willingly patsy for the nra if you dont even get to wave guns around, thats half the fun The NRA is a garbage organization. DeusExMachinima posted:A minority of killers will find a way to kill without guns, this is true. It probably wouldn't hurt if we banned news orgs from "covering" this poo poo 24/7 aka immortalizing the shooters. In addition to the other stuff we need to do. Ah, here we can observe the leftist horseshoeing toward totalitarianism.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:24
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MariusLecter posted:People are dead because he didn't like the quality of calamari? Also no one in customer service was nice to him, except for his bank.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:25
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Hearing that the shooter just died in the hospital.
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Zeroisanumber posted:His manifesto leaked.
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