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Illuen posted:A quick idea I had after seeing this episode: That'd be pretty good, actually. Especially if she didn't know the Time Lords had done it. "What d'you mean it wasnae there? Why would I lie about that? You hate the bloody place, and I was hoping you would kill Rassilon again. Or he'd kill you... you know, something fun!" *** Slightly off the current track, I nabbed that recent 12th Doctor book that was mentioned earlier. The one by Gary Russell, with Twelve and Benny. And he somehow got BBC books to sign off on publishing a Bernice Summerfield book with the Doctor Who logo on the cover, because the first third of the book is basically just a Benny story with a brief cameo by the Doctor in between Benny and her family mucking about across space and time. It feels a little too self-consiously going for tongue-in-cheek space opera at times, but Russell has an ear for Benny's voice, obviously, and also manages to do a decent job distinguishing her from River by focusing on her tendency to gather a found family. (And her more 'mum' side, with comments about how she's approaching middle age and embarrassing her son by trying to help him pick up boys.)
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docbeard posted:Well this cliffhanger isn't really "Clara and Missy, who have access to Chekhov's Teleport that we just saw fifteen minutes ago and which the dialogue made a specific point of describing, appear to have been disintegrated! Oh no!" so much as it's "The Doctor appears to be about to murder a child and possibly wreck all of history," which I think falls firmly into your second category. The Tardis got blown up as well, and it looked more convincing than in Journey's End. I'm sort of wondering if the teleporting was a red herring and Missy and Clara really did get murdered, and the Doctor travelling back to Kid Davros is an attempt to change it. That being the case I'd guess that Davros will spend some time next episode trying to tempt the Doctor into evil, ultimately trying to get him to go back and murder him as a child (why? Who nose) then the Doctor will go back and save Kid Davros instead, perhaps saying "I'm the Doctor! And I save people!" as he does, making it so somehow Clara and Missy will be alive again but causing some kind of time event as a result of changing the past that will cause the series-long story arc.
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CobiWann posted:- For the record, the song Twelve was playing on the tank was “Eruption” by Van Halen No it wasn't.
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CaptainYesterday posted:
It's respectable. I don't know what exactly it was up against, but I'm looking at the overall ratings for the night and it came eighth, with five of the ones above it being various station's news shows. Of the non-news programs, it was only beaten by the X Factor, a TV movie about Peter Allen, and The Block; the X Factor and the Peter Allen movie were on the same station, so at worst it came third. Not bad for the ABC.
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Gaz-L posted:Slightly off the current track, I nabbed that recent 12th Doctor book that was mentioned earlier. The one by Gary Russell, with Twelve and Benny. And he somehow got BBC books to sign off on publishing a Bernice Summerfield book with the Doctor Who logo on the cover, because the first third of the book is basically just a Benny story with a brief cameo by the Doctor in between Benny and her family mucking about across space and time. It feels a little too self-consiously going for tongue-in-cheek space opera at times, but Russell has an ear for Benny's voice, obviously, and also manages to do a decent job distinguishing her from River by focusing on her tendency to gather a found family. (And her more 'mum' side, with comments about how she's approaching middle age and embarrassing her son by trying to help him pick up boys.) I still have to pick that book up, but that's a fair point about the difference between Benny and River. Despite their both being snarky diary loving space archaeologists, Benny is a lot more 3-dimensional than River...she has her hangups, but she seems a lot more genuine. With River it's all about looking cool and posing (a common theme I guess) to compensate for the fact that the whole first part of her life was a lie and she was programmed to fall for and kill the Doctor. River seems a lot more tragic and broken, whereas Benny is just kinda roguish and you know in the end she'll find some sort of happiness. River is destined to spend a lot of her adult life in jail and die in a computer. I feel like Benny, over her time in the NAs and the audios has taken on much more of a life of her own under many authors, while River is just a closed loop.
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Cleretic posted:It's respectable. I don't know what exactly it was up against, but I'm looking at the overall ratings for the night and it came eighth, with five of the ones above it being various station's news shows. Of the non-news programs, it was only beaten by the X Factor, a TV movie about Peter Allen, and The Block; the X Factor and the Peter Allen movie were on the same station, so at worst it came third. Does it include the iView ratings? Doctor Who in particular has always performed very well on iView. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Sep 22, 2015 |
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Sep 22, 2015 07:53
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Guess we're back to s6 level. Great?
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2house2fly posted:The Tardis got blown up as well, and it looked more convincing than in Journey's End. I'm sort of wondering if the teleporting was a red herring and Missy and Clara really did get murdered, and the Doctor travelling back to Kid Davros is an attempt to change it. That being the case I'd guess that Davros will spend some time next episode trying to tempt the Doctor into evil, ultimately trying to get him to go back and murder him as a child (why? Who nose) then the Doctor will go back and save Kid Davros instead, perhaps saying "I'm the Doctor! And I save people!" as he does, making it so somehow Clara and Missy will be alive again but causing some kind of time event as a result of changing the past that will cause the series-long story arc. I think that's a fairly neat idea for how it could work out, but the fact that the episode is called "The Witch's Familiar" suggests to me that it's unlikely that Missy and Clara will be out of action for the majority of the run time.
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MikeJF posted:Does it include the iView ratings? Doctor Who in particular has always performed very well on iView. No, I was looking at the raw TV ratings for the night. I don't know if there's a way to check iView ratings, but even if I did I wouldn't be able to compare to anything but other ABC shows. It wouldn't give anyone an idea of where it stands in comparison to anything, especially since ABC1's only other ratings heavy-hitter that I can think of is Gruen. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Sep 22, 2015 |
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docbeard posted:Or this is the Time Lord equivalent of a mid-life crisis.
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Astroman posted:I still have to pick that book up, but that's a fair point about the difference between Benny and River. Despite their both being snarky diary loving space archaeologists, Benny is a lot more 3-dimensional than River...she has her hangups, but she seems a lot more genuine. With River it's all about looking cool and posing (a common theme I guess) to compensate for the fact that the whole first part of her life was a lie and she was programmed to fall for and kill the Doctor. River seems a lot more tragic and broken, whereas Benny is just kinda roguish and you know in the end she'll find some sort of happiness. River is destined to spend a lot of her adult life in jail and die in a computer. I've actually stopped reading it because the audio version went up for pre-order on Audible right as my subscription renewed, so I just used it to order that, mostly because they got the only person that makes any sense to read it: Lisa Bowerman. (I mainly want to hear her Capaldi impression, to be honest. As her Sylvester is pretty hilarious)
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thrawn527 posted:No it wasn't. I'm pretty sure it was. Maybe not the whole thing, but those opening tabs sounded a hell of a lot like it.
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Sep 22, 2015 13:03
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It was the Doctor Who theme
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Sep 22, 2015 13:08
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MrL_JaKiri posted:It was the Doctor Who theme Yep. You can hear him practicing it at 1:05 in this video AndyElusive posted:It was him playing the guitar. He even got to go and choose which guitar he wanted to play.
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Sep 22, 2015 13:45
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MrL_JaKiri posted:It was the Doctor Who theme Well lock me in a jail cell and call me Victoria Waterfield.
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Sep 22, 2015 13:56
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Yep. You can hear him practicing it at 1:05 in this video I'm just glad he's continuing the tradition of budget Japanese guitars, like the Squier Strat he had in Delta and the Bannermen. Those didn't exist until the 80s, so obviously he must have already had it in the TARDIS.  Sylvester + Fender Japan! 
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The tonal shift really was jarring and to be honest the whole thing with the tank and the guitar made me cringe and would have been better off cut out entrely. That said, watching Clara die made it worthwhile.  Also loved this shot. The jerky head motions and wires makes him look like the world's evilest puppet.
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Sep 22, 2015 14:46
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Is the one on the left the one that got 'tickled' by Missy?
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Sep 22, 2015 14:50
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This guy has the best job in the world 
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I was going to ask if those weren't his Troughton Trousers but I reckon they're pretty similar, actually.
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Jerusalem posted:This guy has the best job in the world Little known fact – that’s Sylvester McCoy inside as the operator. Only a Scot can tickle a Scot.
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Huh, that's interesting. That one Classic Dalek in the back has the correct color scheme, compared to the two others. Not including the Emperor's Guard, as he's also correct. I wonder why he has the correct shade of blue and they don't?
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Not all the Daleks were sourced from the same places, so various "classic" Daleks from, say, Hire-A-Dalek might have different paint jobs than a BBC prop.
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I will admit I'm kind of annoyed that they're using character specific Dalek props and just shoving them out there without modification or obscuring or anything. But it's mostly just as a fan of Daleks and recognizing them. It'd be like if.... Well it's kind of like that Ood in the bar, but if the Ood clearly had the Sigma emblem on him. Right now we have Dalek Sec, Dalek Caan, and Dalek Rose in the room, but they're all just generic Daleks. Sec is the only one who REALLY stands out due to how unique his design is, but Caan and Rose are both very obvious when you know they're there. (Dalek Rose is the Dalek who got emotions thanks to Rose. He is the only Bronze Dalek that has a gold ring around his casing, above his weapons, while all other Bronze Daleks have just brown rings) I wonder where Rusty is. Maybe he still has his weird dreadlock wires.
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Burkion posted:I will admit I'm kind of annoyed that they're using character specific Dalek props and just shoving them out there without modification or obscuring or anything. It doesn't really matter beyond the point is that it's Skaro. If ever there was going to be a mixed bag of Daleks, it'd be there.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:It doesn't really matter beyond the point is that it's Skaro. If ever there was going to be a mixed bag of Daleks, it'd be there. "YOU THINK WE ALL LOOK THE SAME?! DIS-CRIM-INATE! DIS-CRIM-INATE!"
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Burkion posted:Huh, that's interesting. A wizard did it, Burkion.
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Acne Rain posted:Why does davros have a guy made of snakes
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Also he's an old, dying man. You have to do something in your spare time at that age. Potter about in the shed out in the wasteland of Skaro while the kids are off doing genocide or whatever it is the young mutants do these days. Making a snake man passes the time and when you're done, it's even useful!
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Gaz-L posted:Also he's an old, dying man. You have to do something in your spare time at that age. Potter about in the shed out in the wasteland of Skaro while the kids are off doing genocide or whatever it is the young mutants do these days. Making a snake man passes the time and when you're done, it's even useful! Dr. Gene Dango MD posted:I'm not defending anything in this episode, but it does make sense that Davros would have some non Dalek lifeforms to do his work for him. Especially since his children aren't very loyal, or personable. "I have a life outside of creating Daleks, you know  "
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It was nice seeing the old daleks in Asylum, even though I didn't like the episode as a whole, because there was a reason for them to be there and also obsolete. Just throwing them in all the time makes me roll my eyes and little else.
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I think I'm going to start doing longer analyses of episodes again, because frankly there's not much I can say about Master Plan without going into a lot of background stuff
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Gaz-L posted:Also he's an old, dying man. You have to do something in your spare time at that age. Potter about in the shed out in the wasteland of Skaro while the kids are off doing genocide or whatever it is the young mutants do these days. Making a snake man passes the time and when you're done, it's even useful! I'm glad Davros has his own badass, possibly mixed gender nurse collective. The line: "Voting. It is a democracy." was really funny, btw.
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Like I said before, the episode is obsessed with continuity. Dalek Sec et al are there because every single character in this episode (except the UNIT scientist) has made an unexplained return from the dead.
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Gaz-L posted:Also he's an old, dying man. You have to do something in your spare time at that age. Potter about in the shed out in the wasteland of Skaro while the kids are off doing genocide or whatever it is the young mutants do these days. Making a snake man passes the time and when you're done, it's even useful! i assumed there's a planet of sneople out there, Davros just met one in the line at the space grocery store pharmacy and was like "hey I'll pay you to slither around and hiss at people menacingly"
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