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Coohoolin posted:I'm not allowed to vote. were you actually allowed to vote in the independence referendum? e/ October 7 1996 - Fox News begins broadcasting JFairfax fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Oct 7, 2015 |
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Miftan posted:I dunno about that, I'm going to uni in London and so far everybody has expressed hatred of tories everywhere. There's a Socialist Club or something with a picture of Corbyn on the fliers and one of my lecturers straight up said 'Austerity is bullshit'. If you look at the electoral map from the last election all of southeast England looks pretty much blue - except for the giant red splodge in the middle where London is. Big cities tend to vote left, the countryside right. Students in particular also tend to vote left, in any case.
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Coohoolin posted:Right, because England is a tropical paradise.
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JFairfax posted:were you actually allowed to vote in the independence referendum? Nope. Stupid Switzerland staying out of the EU.
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Oct 7, 2015 16:48
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Phoon posted:Using more left wing rhetoric whilst pursuing right wing policies will make them seem like hypocrites Only if the wider public is independently informed about what their policies really do. I have a friend who literally said that having her benefits cut was the best thing to happen to her family as it made them strive and find ways to make money go further.  People really think like this. Coohoolin posted:Right, because England is a tropical paradise. May I invite you down south to the English Riviera? I had to take a photo to show my (funnily enough, Swiss) tutor at uni that we had palm trees, he was so disbelieving.
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Oct 7, 2015 17:04
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When Cameron says Corbyn "hates Britain" what's stopping Corbyn suing for slander or defamation or whatever?
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Oct 7, 2015 17:07
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thehustler posted:When Cameron says Corbyn "hates Britain" what's stopping Corbyn suing for slander or defamation or whatever? If Corbyn took every single non-truthful thing a Tory says about him to court he'd never have enough time to actually be the wonderful man he is.
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Oct 7, 2015 17:09
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thehustler posted:When Cameron says Corbyn "hates Britain" what's stopping Corbyn suing for slander or defamation or whatever? Having an ounce of common sense.
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Oct 7, 2015 17:09
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The poor guy barely has enough time to make jam as it is with his new responsibilities.
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Oct 7, 2015 17:11
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Ok fair enough but it was more a general question about how to combat outright lies like that
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Oct 7, 2015 17:13
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Prince John posted:Only if the wider public is independently informed about what their policies really do. She should keep strum or she will find herself on a dwp leaflet.
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Oct 7, 2015 17:14
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Prince John posted:Only if the wider public is independently informed about what their policies really do. After 9 years in Lugano I've had enough palm trees to last me a lifetime, I'll pass.
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Oct 7, 2015 17:22
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Guys I think Cameron's affordable starter homes revolution and the National Living Wage™ are going to be a great success
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Oct 7, 2015 17:22
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Thankfully they're not for those people, they're for landlords who can buy up all the stock.
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I'm reposting this since it got lost amid all the Cameron-chat earlier and it's worth reading: Life and death under austerity It's about the effect of austerity and benefits cuts on mental health and the number of suicides. As you might imagine it's pretty grim. quote:Part of the problem, he says, is that stresses such as financial pressures or losing a job make people feel “disempowered” and “less able to cope”. But people can be affected by the community around them too. “What the research does show,” says Ferns, “is that people living in deprived areas are about ten times more likely to die by suicide… I think it’s fair to say that an economic recession creates ripples. The social impacts spread far wider and last far longer than the economic ripples.” On the same topic: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/07/fitness-for-work-tests-national-catastrophe-suicides-vulnerable-people
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Guys I think Cameron's affordable starter homes revolution and the National Living Wage™ are going to be a great success It's a good day for Barrow, that's for sure.
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Coohoolin posted:Nope. Stupid Switzerland staying out of the EU. wow, so you couldn't actually vote on the issue of Scottish independence. hahah that's loving hilarious. and so is this: Drunken Tory went boozing at Manchester conference but woke up in London - after £311 Uber ride The 19-year-old Conservative activist fell asleep in the back of a taxi and woke up in the capital - with an email receipt for the £311 ride A young Tory activist went out for a drink at the party's conference in Manchester, only to wake up the next morning in London after a £300 taxi ride. The 19-year-old student, who has reportedly worked for a Tory MP, was enjoying a boozy night out after George Osborne's speech at the Tory Conference on Monday night. He ordered an Uber taxi to take him back to his hotel, but fell asleep in the back seat. But when he awoke he was back at his home in the capital - with an email receipt for the £311 ride. The student posted the receipt on Facebook and wrote: “Went out in Manchester, woke up in London. “Checked my emails to see a £311 Uber journey. Must have been an interesting night.” He added he thought he must have put his home address into the minicab booking page of the app by mistake. The student, who recently worked as a campaign manager for a Conservative MP, told Buzzfeed he could no longer afford a tube journey never mind the trip back to Manchester after the expensive journey. He said: “Well you know what a drunken night out is like. I’m 19-years-old and intend to enjoy my youth.” Friends responded to the post by branding the student a “legend”, “a lad” and a “nutter”. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/drunken-tory-went-boozing-manchester-6587931
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Prince John posted:May I invite you down south to the English Riviera? I had to take a photo to show my (funnily enough, Swiss) tutor at uni that we had palm trees, he was so disbelieving. *One of the Scilly Isles
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Oct 7, 2015 17:50
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Miftan posted:I dunno about that, I'm going to uni in London and so far everybody has expressed hatred of tories everywhere. There's a Socialist Club or something with a picture of Corbyn on the fliers and one of my lecturers straight up said 'Austerity is bullshit'. Not all of the south but most of up here doesn't have anywhere to keep the ultradense enclaves of tories you'd presumably need to give them a majority government. All the cities are Labour and I don't know if we have enough old country farts to make up the numbers. They're certainly vocal about it. Got sick to vomiting of bloody tory posters in May. Essentially either the tories are keeping secret underground bunkers full of voters or somewhere there must be whole cities full of them. Prince John posted:May I invite you down south to the English Riviera? I had to take a photo to show my (funnily enough, Swiss) tutor at uni that we had palm trees, he was so disbelieving. I'm pretty sure you can grow palms in Yorkshire, tropical plants love the English climate because it's the only place wetter than the rainforest. I happen to know for a fact that Pitlochry has a very nice botanical garden with a bunch of tropical plants in it too. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Oct 7, 2015 |
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Oct 7, 2015 17:55
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Rejoice - pretentious prick Peston is off to ITV. We'll never have to see him again.
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Guys I think Cameron's affordable starter homes revolution and the National Living Wage™ are going to be a great success I'm glad this got reposted because this was exactly my thought when this was announced. You can be drat sure that 'maximum price 250k' will mean 'all priced 250k' because they're being built by private developers maximising profits, and... 250k is really not affordable AT ALL. My wife and I together earn nearly 50k annually, and have no children, and we could only afford 80% of that with a lot of help from parents and grandparents. The idea that 250k is affordable is laughable. Especially when they're making it happen by stopping developers from being forced to provide affordable rentals in order to get their developments done. And they're adding controls to stop people immediately flipping them for a massive profit, but nothing stops them flipping them in 5 years, and renting them out in the interim as far as I can tell. I mean, holy poo poo this is loving AWFUL. The whole of this conference has left me feeling like Cameron is a frothing loon and quickly approaching fascism, and the country is going to be hosed in 5 years' time unless the Tories can somehow magically develop a massive backbench rebellion and the left can organise a vote of no confidence in the government.
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thespaceinvader posted:The whole of this conference has left me feeling like Cameron is a frothing loon and quickly approaching fascism, and the country is going to be hosed in 5 years' time unless the Tories can somehow magically develop a massive backbench rebellion and the left can organise a vote of no confidence in the government. If you want optimism, the country was hosed seventy or so years ago and it got us the NHS.
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OwlFancier posted:If you want optimism, the country was hosed seventy or so years ago and it got us the NHS. Rate we're going, it's going to have to get us the NHS again, so
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Oct 7, 2015 18:03
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thehustler posted:Ok fair enough but it was more a general question about how to combat outright lies like that create and sustain a grassroots movement that is generally distrustful of the media and mainly spreads information and criticism through social media and word of mouth.
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Oct 7, 2015 18:04
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*shug* sometimes it takes everything going to hell for people to wake up and realise they need to do something about it. It would be nice if people could have foresight but history is sort of replete with people acting rather too late and ending up with a far more difficult task as a result.
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nuzak posted:create and sustain a grassroots movement that is generally distrustful of the media and mainly spreads information and criticism through social media and word of mouth. Don't worry, the Tories have a solution for that, the Trade Union Bill will make it illegal to discuss certain aspects of politics on social media without two weeks notice. 
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Oct 7, 2015 18:06
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thehustler posted:Ok fair enough but it was more a general question about how to combat outright lies like that If somebody had a specific claim, e.g. that he molested children or was committing fraud it might be actionable, but even then legal action would really depend on the PR situation (see: DCFADP)
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thespaceinvader posted:Don't worry, the Tories have a solution for that, the Trade Union Bill will make it illegal to discuss certain aspects of politics on social media without two weeks notice. Scottish councils said they'd be ignoring the Trade Union Bill, can the Tories try to enforce it anyway?
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OwlFancier posted:If you want optimism, the country was hosed seventy or so years ago and it got us the NHS. I feel it is probably easier to survive Fascism from without than it is from within. The cure for Germany was rape and pillage by the allies. I'm not sure i'm into that.
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Oct 7, 2015 18:08
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JFairfax posted:wow, so you couldn't actually vote on the issue of Scottish independence. hahah that's loving hilarious. loving hell could this news article be any more repetitive
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Oct 7, 2015 18:14
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:loving hell could this news article be any more repetitive A young tory got a £300 taxi ride and hosed it in the mouth.
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Oct 7, 2015 18:16
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JFairfax posted:Friends responded to the post by branding the student a “legend”, “a lad” and a “nutter”.[/i] Why could it not be "tosser," "bellend" and "prick"?
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Oct 7, 2015 18:22
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I like the way it says £311 3 times and £300 once. You know, for variety.
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On another note, I got to my first local Labour Party meeting in about half an hour. Wish me luck goons I shall post a trip report if you want.
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thespaceinvader posted:On another note, I got to my first local Labour Party meeting in about half an hour. Wish me luck goons I shall post a trip report if you want. Take a notepad and pen. You may need to compile a list.
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Oct 7, 2015 18:29
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Oberleutnant posted:Take a notepad and pen. You may need to compile a list. I'm just hoping I don't put my foot in it and they're not all nutters and/or Blairites.
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Oct 7, 2015 18:30
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OwlFancier posted:I'm pretty sure you can grow palms in Yorkshire, tropical plants love the English climate because it's the only place wetter than the rainforest. There's palm trees in plenty of places on the west coast of Scotland. GIS "Plockton" for examples.
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Be friendly, smile, nod at everything they say, appear to be on their side regardless of their opinions. If they're Correct Thinkers it's no problem, if not you don't give them any warning that you're going to do them like Trotsky  (speaking metaphorically of course)
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Prince John posted:Only if the wider public is independently informed about what their policies really do. Thankfully, never having had my benefits cut, I know that she is wrong and her claimed experience is actually the result of a false consciousness. Am I doing this right?
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