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Well, that was a cool episode of Biscuit Gundam. Mika, one stone cold motherfucker. Not too much of a fan of the characters otherwise, a bunch of walking caricatures and too much of a sausagefest so far, but at least the fights (the little that's animated) are nice so far.
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Oct 18, 2015 15:22
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The theory that Biscuit "not even a pilot" Griffon is gonna pilot the Guison because he is fat and so is the robot is hilarious and I hope it doesn't happen because it's also really dumb.
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Oct 18, 2015 15:29
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That one guy that wanted to sell the princess looks like anime Hitler. It's a bit distracting!
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Oct 18, 2015 15:34
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Raxivace posted:That one guy that wanted to sell the princess looks like anime Hitler. It's a bit distracting! Look man, we've gotta get past this stigma on the mustache somehow. It's almost been a hundred years! I applaud this Gundam series for trying to move us past. He is totally Martian Hitler though. 
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Oct 18, 2015 15:57
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Raxivace posted:That one guy that wanted to sell the princess looks like anime Hitler. It's a bit distracting! I hope Hitler lives until the end.
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Oct 18, 2015 15:58
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Mika continues to be the  est lead. At the same time, I love the little touches of humanity. I was afraid he would ignore Atra's bracelet but he appreciates it for what it is and keeps it with him. Oh, and he loves snacks.  It just makes his moments as a stone cold killer just that much more stone cold.And now we know who Nobliss is. But wasn't the Mars branch boss counting on his support too? I think he's backing both horses in this race.
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Oct 18, 2015 16:02
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Echoing the "God drat Mika is a stone cold little motherfucker" sentiment. Also kinda surprised they actually showed him executing that first guy; the way they set that up was amazing, with the camera I also liked the scene with him in the mess hall. "Big pieces are better. I feel like I'm really eating." Kind of hosed up but not really surprising to learn that the guys in charge before Orga took over weren't exactly keeping the Third Group well fed. W.T. Fits fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Oct 19, 2015 |
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Oct 18, 2015 16:04
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I can't wait for Mika in SRW as he just immediately shoots the bad guy before they can finish their sentences.
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Oct 18, 2015 16:19
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Good character stuff this episode. Kudelia didn't want to throw away the curry she messed up, she wanted to eat it all herself. Still being impractical, but trying to be practical by not wasting food. Good sound too. The part where Orga and Kudelia were talking and you heard the battle in the background would've sucked if they'd used traditional sci-fi laser sound effects or whatever.
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Oct 18, 2015 16:21
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Lemon Curdistan posted:He was breathing it in rather than kissing it, presumably because it smells of Atra, which means their attraction is probably mutual, which is neat. I didn't get it when I saw it, but that makes seonse.
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Oct 18, 2015 16:34
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Tae posted:I can't wait for Mika in SRW as he just immediately shoots the bad guy before they can finish their sentences. I hope he ends up with Chirico's pistol attack. 
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Oct 18, 2015 16:37
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Tae posted:Welp, wrong then. Yeah, that scene doesn't make sense then. the stab was through the stomach, while the cockpit is more in the heart of the graze. you can even see the positioning of the hole, so it's not that nonsensical that the guy was injured but not dead.
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Oct 18, 2015 16:44
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Mo_Steel posted:He is totally Martian Hitler though. Maybe in a surprise twist he'll become Martian Charlie Chaplin?
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Oct 18, 2015 16:55
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Wow this just keeps getting better. Mika is (appropriately) a crazy gently caress. It makes sense they he pretty much wouldn't care about killing since he's been doing this everyday for years.
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Oct 18, 2015 16:56
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Tae posted:I can't wait for Mika in SRW as he just immediately shoots the bad guy before they can finish their sentences. I can see a lot of dynamic kills where he just blankly aims at whoever he's fighting's cockpit.
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Oct 18, 2015 16:58
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Lemon Curdistan posted:I hope he ends up with Chirico's pistol attack.  I'm enjoying Mika's characterization so far. After the first episode, I thought they might have trouble keeping him the dangerous child-soldier that they presented him as while still making him likable, but they're managing it pretty well so far. (Also, I knew this show was aiming for a gritty tone, but I was not expecting the protagonist to dispassionately execute three people before the series has even gotten into full swing. JFC)
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Oct 18, 2015 17:04
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Zero_Tactility posted:(Also, I knew this show was aiming for a gritty tone, but I was not expecting the protagonist to dispassionately execute three people before the series has even gotten into full swing. JFC) They deserved it.
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Oct 18, 2015 17:06
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One thing I liked about the episode is how in Orga and Kudelia's conversation, they directly addressed how she entertained the possibility of undergoing Whisker surgery and how impractical it'd be. Mainly because a) Mikazuki is real ruthless, wow, and b) there's plenty of other options to focus on like politics. not exactly a subtle moment, but I liked it nonetheless  The bracelet thing was cute too.
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Oct 18, 2015 17:13
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If by the end of the show Mikazuki becomes martian Chirico, I would be so thrilled
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Oct 18, 2015 17:26
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Lemon Curdistan posted:I hope he ends up with Chirico's pistol attack. 
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Oct 18, 2015 18:12
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Mika hid the bracelet so Atra didn't see him shoot anyone. This show is so good in all the ways.
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Oct 18, 2015 18:29
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Zwingley posted:Mika hid the bracelet so Atra didn't see him shoot anyone. I didn't even notice that. They're shaping up to be a pretty cute couple, even when Mika is in the middle of murder.
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Oct 18, 2015 18:33
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Yeah, Mika is this amazing mix of smart, kind-hearted child and cold-blooded killer that I don't think other soft-hearted murder-robots like Heero and Setsuna execute nearly as well. The ways in which being a child soldier has hosed him up and the ways in which what he really is still shine through feel so much more believable, even if he is still an obviously idealised character.
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Oct 18, 2015 18:38
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Lemon Curdistan posted:He was breathing it in rather than kissing it, presumably because it smells of Atra, which means their attraction is probably mutual, which is neat. This show is definitely thinking about its characters. The pre-credits bit was great- Orga asks Mikazuki if the food is good. Mikazuki offers Orga some. He either can't or won't judge for himself. Orga says let's go, and Mikazuki picks up his gun. This is a really beautiful hosed up relationship. Interestingly Mikazuki has no problem judging Kudelia's food. He's not just an empty shell, he's a real person, he just completely suppresses all that for Orga, and becomes his willing puppet. I wonder if this is foreshadowing a (let's be honest, pretty much inevitable) shift away from Orga towards Kudelia, where Mikazuki becomes more of a real person. I guess this goes with the bracelet thing. Mikazuki becomes self conscious- literally conscious of himself- around women. And that consciousness is a disconnect from how he is around Orga, entirely unconscious of himself and his own will. It's interesting that Orga had Mikazuki execute the prisoner. I wonder if the implication is that Orga wouldn't have been able to, or would have hesitated/looked weak. Orga may have ruthless ideas, but we haven't seem him do anything? The very first scene in the show, of them as kids, Orga looks horrified, and then hurt/angry. We don't know the context yet, but it's clear Orga is more affected emotionally by the killing than Mikazuki, who shuts himself off and asks what to do next like a good tool. I was worried about Kudelia when she was being super anime cute by being all bad at/worried about cooking. I don't really find that particularly cute myself, though it was clearly supposed to be. But considering what she talked about and where she went later in the episode, I understand it was supposed to be humanizing her, and that she would otherwise come off as unapproachably political or something. She is indeed going really interesting places. I'm always worried about women in anime (which probably biases me against some otherwise fine characters), but my fears are being proven unfounded here. It looks like she's going to provide the moral direction actively, not just passively going along with whatever and driving things along by being a damsel or whatever, but deciding things herself. I like the theme of adults vs. children. A theme I'm sure Tomino would appreciate (even if he'd never make a Gundam like this). The dynamic of the children having taken over the company but keeping some adults around to keep things running is a really neat one. I liked the scene of the accountant and martian hitler on one platform and Orga and that other kid on the other, arguing back and forth about what to do. I like that martian hitler came up with the cowardly plan, but blond kid immediately jumped in to support him. Adults may be more crafty, but selfish cowardice is universal (but that blond kid still only got those ideas from a crafty coward adult). Both sides are pretty nuanced- you've got all kinds of kids, and all kinds of adults. The black mechanic is adult wisdom, the enemy not-Ramba-Ral was adult honor. Adult honor didn't seem to quite connect with Mikazuki directly, but I think he still heard it. After three episodes... I'm on board. This is pretty drat nice. Eiba fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Oct 18, 2015 |
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Oct 18, 2015 18:53
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I am dissapointed that they didn't call the company Ecstasy Justice
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Oct 18, 2015 18:59
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Zwingley posted:Mika hid the bracelet so Atra didn't see him shoot anyone. This was my favorite detail in the entire episode by a lot and two seconds of animation tells an entire story about how the character thinks and feels. We're three episodes in and Mika as a character is pretty much blowing the previous Gundam attempts at making an interesting child soldier character completely out of the water already.
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Oct 18, 2015 19:18
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The episode fell a little flat compared to the previous two, but I appreciate the effort going into characterizing Mika. Not the "Orga and Kudelia stand around talking about how crazy/impressive he is" scene, mind you, just the little things like his continued amazing dialogue (he's got a real knack for saying stuff with super depressing connotations like it's honestly nothing) and his actions. Daisuki's subs were also a little better this time around but god drat could someone tell them that people speak in contractions?
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Oct 18, 2015 19:44
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It occurred to me while I was watching, does Mika already have the highest number of face to face kills of any Gundam protagonist? Particularly on screen? I mean yeah your Usso's of the world murder thousands in their mobile suits, but the only other gundam pilots I can remember shooting people directly are Lockon 2 and Setsuna in a flashback. Right now we're up to I think five for Mika, three in this episode and two in the first episode.
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Oct 18, 2015 20:11
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I'm legitimately curious where they're going with Mika. The really interesting thing about him is that Orga completely supports his really hosed-up behavior and even praises and encourages it. Some of that can be seen in a less-uncomfortable light ("he's boorish but honorable") but using Mika the way he does really casts a weird light on Orga. Like Setsuna and Heero were "we're being used as weapons" but Mika is straight-up being used as Orga's weapon, even if he is doing so somewhat willingly. Using him to execute a guy is genuinely uncomfortable and creepy. Orga in general seems to praise Mika but also use him to do his dirty work without an iota of regret. They could go unironic with this but as much as Orga's presented as a somewhat likable and honorable dude, I think his relationship with Mika is supposed to feel hosed up.
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Oct 18, 2015 20:24
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Mika is iron blooded as gently caress
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Oct 18, 2015 20:26
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Caros posted:It occurred to me while I was watching, does Mika already have the highest number of face to face kills of any Gundam protagonist? Particularly on screen? I think only Setsuna tops Mika at this, but I don't think Mika would be willing to gun down his own family in cold blood, even if Orga told him to.
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Oct 18, 2015 20:39
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Schubalts posted:I think only Setsuna tops Mika at this, but I don't think Mika would be willing to gun down his own family in cold blood, even if Orga told him to. How do we know that's not the reason he's an orphan to begin with? 
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Schubalts posted:I think only Setsuna tops Mika at this, but I don't think Mika would be willing to gun down his own family in cold blood, even if Orga told him to. I dunno, if Rosamia Augus shows up later in the series I don't think I'd have much trouble believing that Mika would put a few bullets in her if Orga told him to. He'd probably drop some sick ice burn about how they abandoned him anyways and blood connections don't mean much next to his comrades.
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Oct 18, 2015 21:00
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It's neat how they bulked up Barbatos with Graze shoulder armor for the duel.
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Zwingley posted:Mika hid the bracelet so Atra didn't see him shoot anyone. I didn't even catch that, dang. This show has some nice small moments, like that. ImpAtom posted:I'm legitimately curious where they're going with Mika. The really interesting thing about him is that Orga completely supports his really hosed-up behavior and even praises and encourages it. Some of that can be seen in a less-uncomfortable light ("he's boorish but honorable") but using Mika the way he does really casts a weird light on Orga. Like Setsuna and Heero were "we're being used as weapons" but Mika is straight-up being used as Orga's weapon, even if he is doing so somewhat willingly. Using him to execute a guy is genuinely uncomfortable and creepy. Orga in general seems to praise Mika but also use him to do his dirty work without an iota of regret. I'm pretty sure Orga gave Mika the gun because he was the most likely to use it without hesitation and would definitely go through with Orga's orders, probably morseo than even Orga himself would. Their relationship is pretty interesting because for the most part Orga seems like a really decent dude, he starts giving people actual pay, he doesn't want to just kill Kudelia for money, and he appears to genuinely care for everyone in the third corps. And then he's just got a really screwed up relationship with this kid. It's really intriguing and I want to learn more about it.
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I feel like Orga having Mika do all the dirty work while his hands stay 'clean' is going to be a major point later on, or at least I hope it is because it would be pretty weird not to address it.
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Oct 18, 2015 22:03
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There's a guy with a Hitler 'stache. That will never not be funny.
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Oct 18, 2015 22:19
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He gor nothing on Marshal Hidler from iirc Getter Robo.
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I hope to god that Orga doesn't bite it. Everything about his and Mika's relationship is the best and the worst.
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