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Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

If you're actually serious and not insane just go and scoop up powdered milk, not uht milk because thats what everyone else is doing but good luck getting that at all. Even regular powdered milk disappears from the shelves pretty drat fast.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/6-1KG-100-Devondale-Full-Cream-High-Calcium-Milk-Powder-/262076332148?hash=item3d04f77874:g:V04AAOSw0HVWD4Jg

loool

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open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Can you speak Chinese? If not I'd say you'd be pretty uncompetitive, and even then you'd struggle.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

ScreamingLlama posted:

That was uncalled for. I'm in danger of losing my DSP and struggling to pay the bills as it is.

finding whispering females sexually arousing isn't really a disability.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

I'm the 2 units sold

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Cartoon posted:

Not singling you out here but I don't find any of this remotely 'understandable'. The whole thing including the ongoing bombing campaign is insanity and has to stop. That's what we should be focusing our collective energy on. Not some really really loving dumb tit for tat shock and awe bull poo poo that we have been continuously proving does not work since the end of the cold war.

What takes the place of a military campaign against ISIS? Do you think there can be a political solution when you have a horde of violent extremists trying to carve themselves an empire in the middle east? I don't see how any sort of peaceful solution can be reached unless there is some kind of stability in the affected areas, and you aren't going to find stability while ISIS is in control.


As an aside, is it counterproductive to refer to 'Islam' when referring to Islamic extremists like ISIS? I was having this debate with my grandpa who reckons probably the worst thing the West could have done is call ISIS by that name instead of 'daesh' or something because it alienates moderate muslims.

ScreamingLlama posted:

Is there any way I could get in on the Chinese milk racket? Not baby formula, but maybe UHT milk? Sure sounds like it would be a great way to stop being poor.

Go to a bunch of supermarkets, buy as much formula as you're allowed and flog it on ebay. Simple.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

The more traditional route of buying a few pallets of cheap crap from Ali Baba and reselling it on eBay is probably a safer bet.

GrandTheftAutism
Dec 24, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

SynthOrange posted:

If you're actually serious and not insane just go and scoop up powdered milk, not uht milk because thats what everyone else is doing but good luck getting that at all. Even regular powdered milk disappears from the shelves pretty drat fast.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/6-1KG-100-Devondale-Full-Cream-High-Calcium-Milk-Powder-/262076332148?hash=item3d04f77874:g:V04AAOSw0HVWD4Jg

loool

SynthOrange posted:

I'm the 2 units sold


I live in regional NSW so supply might not be too much of a problem. If you want to buy some milk off me, PM me and we can work something out.

I wouldn't say I'm insane, just sick of being broke and stressing over possibly being cruelly stripped of my benefits.


Laserface posted:

finding whispering females sexually arousing isn't really a disability.

Also uncalled for. Shut the gently caress up.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

I dont think you get it. You're shipping these to china, not goons on the forums.

Seagull
Oct 9, 2012

give me a chip
I don't think anyone wants to resell baby formula with a middle middle man involved in the process, it'd just be inefficient in addition to ethically ambiguous

GrandTheftAutism
Dec 24, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

SynthOrange posted:

I dont think you get it. You're shipping these to china, not goons on the forums.

The ebay page said "ships to Australia", which made me think there were students buying them to ship back to China. But if it's going directly to China, well, yeah, I can see how my lack of Chinese would be a problem, unless Google Translate suddenly became a lot less hit-and-miss...

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

ScreamingLlama posted:

The ebay page said "ships to Australia", which made me think there were students buying them to ship back to China. But if it's going directly to China, well, yeah, I can see how my lack of Chinese would be a problem, unless Google Translate suddenly became a lot less hit-and-miss...

Just use google translate and turn the crap grammar into a strength by saying you're an authentic western reseller or something.

Ian Winthorpe III
Dec 5, 2013

gays, fatties and women are the main funny things in life. Fuck those lefty tumblrfuck fags, I'll laugh at poofs and abbos if I want to


What a noxious statement; lecturing and self-pitying at the same time not to mention completely tone-deaf. How many Australians are going to read him blaming the Paris attacks on our 'Islamophobia' and be comforted by long term prospects of the Muslim community in this country.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

hey IWC

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Even if they do it's not like it reflects badly on them.

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

Cartoon posted:

Not singling you out here but I don't find any of this remotely 'understandable'. The whole thing including the ongoing bombing campaign is insanity and has to stop. That's what we should be focusing our collective energy on. Not some really really loving dumb tit for tat shock and awe bull poo poo that we have been continuously proving does not work since the end of the cold war.

This is a hard question to answer on a phone but is worth a proper response, which I'll type out tonight or tomorrow when I'm at a computer. But in short the idea that countries have a responsibility to protect citizens of a state when the state can manifestly not provide safety has generally been agreed by the international community since the genocides in the nineties, although obviously the specifics are contested. You'd be hard pressed to find a scenario more worthy of intervention than ISIL in Syria - if anything, the bombing campaign reflects the collective political cowardice of all nation states to do what's required, which is a UN mission the size of which would dwarf anything previously conducted.

But without such international political leadership we're reduced to providing stand-off support to other factions in the hope that it limits the spread of ISIL and the misery they represent. It's certainly not ideal but the decision to do nothing is also a decision that has ramifications - don't forget that active Western campaigns in Syria are a relatively recent thing, we sat out the first three years of the Syrian civil war, which has been a clusterfuck of misery-generation since it began. I was in Lebanon for a bit in 2013 and the overwhelming view on the street was that millions were dying due to the West's inaction (although on which side people wanted the West to intervene depended on who you spoke to - there's still strong support for Assad amongst both the Shiites and Christians in Lebanon).

Ian Winthorpe III
Dec 5, 2013

gays, fatties and women are the main funny things in life. Fuck those lefty tumblrfuck fags, I'll laugh at poofs and abbos if I want to

gay picnic defence posted:

As an aside, is it counterproductive to refer to 'Islam' when referring to Islamic extremists like ISIS? I was having this debate with my grandpa who reckons probably the worst thing the West could have done is call ISIS by that name instead of 'daesh' or something because it alienates moderate muslims.

Gimme a break, we're calling it that because that's what they have called themselves while also being a good description of their ambitions. If moderate Muslims are uncomfortable (or heaving forbid, 'alienated') being reminded that this group of barbarians share a faith with them then so be it, maybe they should do some soul-searching.

Our democracy is not a Safe Space.

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope

Ian Winthorpe III posted:

Gimme a break, we're calling it that because that's what they have called themselves while also being a good description of their ambitions. If moderate Muslims are uncomfortable (or heaving forbid, 'alienated') being reminded that this group of barbarians share a faith with them then so be it, maybe they should do some soul-searching.

Our democracy is not a Safe Space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkADiJCYS2k

BlitzkriegOfColour
Aug 22, 2010

open24hours posted:

Can you speak Chinese? If not I'd say you'd be pretty uncompetitive, and even then you'd struggle.

Let's say for instance I could speak Chinese. What do now?

asio
Nov 29, 2008

"Also Sprach Arnold Jacobs: A Developmental Guide for Brass Wind Musicians" refers to the mullet as an important tool for professional cornet playing and box smashing black and blood

gay picnic defence posted:

What takes the place of a military campaign against ISIS? Do you think there can be a political solution when you have a horde of violent extremists trying to carve themselves an empire in the middle east? I don't see how any sort of peaceful solution can be reached unless there is some kind of stability in the affected areas, and you aren't going to find stability while ISIS is in control.

The answer is 1) stop dropping bombs and 2) help the people being affected, you war happy psychopath.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

BlitzkriegOfColour posted:

Let's say for instance I could speak Chinese. What do now?

Then you'd skip advertising on ebay and post directly on china ebay (I forget what the actual name is)

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

asio posted:

The answer is 1) stop dropping bombs and 2) help the people being affected, you war happy psychopath.

How do you propose helping people who are being invaded by a group of violent thugs that make the Saudis look like moderates?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Lots of antioxidant rich foods.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

BlitzkriegOfColour posted:

Let's say for instance I could speak Chinese. What do now?

Start advertising on Chinese websites and answering questions in Chinese, I guess.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.

BBJoey posted:

no you see if we just do the same things we did first in vietnam then in afghanistan, things will work out just fine.

(it's not just since the end of the cold war, basically every conflict since the end of WW2 has shown that trying to defeat irregular forces with the use of overwhelming firepower is a hopeless effort)

You say "overwhelming power" but it's not like we nuked anyone.

Why aren't we nuking anyone?

Graic Gabtar
Dec 19, 2014

squat my posts

Cartoon posted:

Not singling you out here but I don't find any of this remotely 'understandable'. The whole thing including the ongoing bombing campaign is insanity and has to stop. That's what we should be focusing our collective energy on. Not some really really loving dumb tit for tat shock and awe bull poo poo that we have been continuously proving does not work since the end of the cold war.

Don't all fall down but I completely agree with this statement.

As soon as I saw that the French were doing the same old, same old I was just shaking my head. An act purely for domestic consumption. One of the only things that stuck in my mind from John Kerry's failed tilt was this one:

quote:

And as president, I will bring back this nation's time-honored tradition: The United States of America never goes to war because we want to, we only go to war because we have to.

Yeah, it's meh because of the context but people could learn a bit from it.

You could tackle this poo poo multiple ways but good luck getting agreement. Bombs are easy.

Graic Gabtar
Dec 19, 2014

squat my posts
e: DB error dupe.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

gay picnic defence posted:

What takes the place of a military campaign against ISIS? Do you think there can be a political solution when you have a horde of violent extremists trying to carve themselves an empire in the middle east? I don't see how any sort of peaceful solution can be reached unless there is some kind of stability in the affected areas, and you aren't going to find stability while ISIS is in control.


As an aside, is it counterproductive to refer to 'Islam' when referring to Islamic extremists like ISIS? I was having this debate with my grandpa who reckons probably the worst thing the West could have done is call ISIS by that name instead of 'daesh' or something because it alienates moderate muslims.


Go to a bunch of supermarkets, buy as much formula as you're allowed and flog it on ebay. Simple.
Oh I don't think there is a possible positive outcome that doesn't involve a military campaign but it has to be a military campaign in support of a predetermined endgame. Not piece meal wack a mole bullshit that creates a massive humanitarian disaster. The best example I can cite is the UN intervention in Yugoslavia. It has to be hearts and minds and consideration of the issues behind the conflict. Drone strikes aren't the way forward.

I utterly abhor the use of military force but in situations such as this it's not like it isn't already being used effectively indiscriminately. This is what the UN was set up for. :doh:

I can't actually see anything sensible being done in the medium to long term so having a theoretical solution that nobody is paying a blind bit of notice too doesn't count for much at all. :smith:

See also human int sources blah blah blah.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
French justice minister has confirmed the supposed refugee passport is a fake

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005

Solemn Sloth posted:

French justice minister has confirmed the supposed refugee passport is a fake

Information that will be broadcast repeatedly at full volume in large flashing text by absolutely noone because the legend of the reffo has already taken hold.

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope
To be fair, though, reffoes do talk funny and their skin colour is usually different. You can't trust 'em.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
Wait, what the hell is going on with baby formula? Why does anyone want that much of the stuff?

Also, while I'm well aware that the term "fascist" in English has come to mean "a thing I don't like", the pedant in me needs to highlight that it doesn't make much sense to use the term outside of Western-style industrial nation states. Fascism and Nazism were fairly particular political phenomena and slapping the label on any old bloodthirsty group doesn't add much to general understanding of the situation.

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:


Also, while I'm well aware that the term "fascist" in English has come to mean "a thing I don't like", the pedant in me needs to highlight that it doesn't make much sense to use the term outside of Western-style industrial nation states. Fascism and Nazism were fairly particular political phenomena and slapping the label on any old bloodthirsty group doesn't add much to general understanding of the situation.

The word has completely lost its meaning thanks to the like of Jonah Goldberg. Careful authors won't use it all.

Seagull
Oct 9, 2012

give me a chip

Solemn Sloth posted:

French justice minister has confirmed the supposed refugee passport is a fake

yeah but what if it were real, checkmate refugeeists

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Wait, what the hell is going on with baby formula? Why does anyone want that much of the stuff?

You mean the resellers? Cause it's easy money. For people actually using it: Cause it's literally the only thing you should be feeding a baby for the first 6 months other than breastmilk. And you really don't want to get caught out having nothing ready on hand to feed them. Even if you could actually count on it being on the shelf at your nearby store for sure, that'd be some solid wailing and crying nonstop till you got it.

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Wait, what the hell is going on with baby formula? Why does anyone want that much of the stuff?

Chinese farmers keep putting dangerous additives into milk to make it worth more, despite all the deaths, so nobody with an infant trusts baby formula made in China

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
But why does it sell out? Surely that stuff should be super common and cheap?

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

But why does it sell out? Surely that stuff should be super common and cheap?
The invisible hand of the market can't fap the cow's udders fast enough apparently.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

But why does it sell out? Surely that stuff should be super common and cheap?

I'm surprised the supply hasn't cranked up enough by now too, but I imagine it has something to do with the very specific requirements for calorie count and nutrient content. It's a bit more complicated than just cranking out regular milk for adults to drink.

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

But why does it sell out? Surely that stuff should be super common and cheap?

When you are dealing with a population of 23 odd million, it is. When you add the population of nearly a billion, not so much.

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ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Cartoon posted:

I can't actually see anything sensible being done in the medium to long term so having a theoretical solution that nobody is paying a blind bit of notice too doesn't count for much at all. :smith:

Responses to this sort of crisis haven't really changed for over a century from the major powers, having set the region up for that failure around the same time. It would be nice if Europe acknowledged it was part of the problem too.


Tirade posted:

But in short the idea that countries have a responsibility to protect citizens of a state when the state can manifestly not provide safety has generally been agreed by the international community since the genocides in the nineties, although obviously the specifics are contested. You'd be hard pressed to find a scenario more worthy of intervention than ISIL in Syria - if anything, the bombing campaign reflects the collective political cowardice of all nation states to do what's required, which is a UN mission the size of which would dwarf anything previously conducted.

But without such international political leadership we're reduced to providing stand-off support to other factions in the hope that it limits the spread of ISIL and the misery they represent. It's certainly not ideal but the decision to do nothing is also a decision that has ramifications - don't forget that active Western campaigns in Syria are a relatively recent thing, we sat out the first three years of the Syrian civil war, which has been a clusterfuck of misery-generation since it began.

IS is the result of a failed state because the US completely misunderstood what kept that culture together. I don't think the US is even ready to acknowledge its mistakes let alone do something practical to restore any trust and move towards a stable political structure in the area, it's certainly not in IS's interests. Feeding other factions will have the same result as for example Afghanistan, that led to al-Qaeda when the CIA money ran dry. American intelligence has a long and dismal history of not simply backing the wrong horse but the worst possible horse. On top of that, the American electorate will not stand for a major spending campaign which is the least they could do to stabilize the region, and there's no loss involved for American and European politicians who wring their hands and do nothing, just like the war on drugs etc etc.

Syria is a great excuse to ignore the wider unstable region, until it's a better excuse to ignore Syrian again and so on. :smith:

Meanwhile in Australia we're all mad because we don't have a terrorism of our own. I know we deeply desire the same problems of other countries to feel wanted but it's getting ridiculous.

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