Yolomon Wayne posted:

Must have been a phase-lunge, i didnt even see it.

quote:

The typical police recruit spends 58 hours learning how to use his gun—and just 8 hours learning his department’s use of force policy, according to a new report from a major police research and policy group.

A misanthrope posted:

part of the problem is the way we train police

they sit them down and make them watch all these dash cam videos of cops getting overtaken by unarmed dudes -- and have em run drills where they have to shoot a guy who is charging at them from across the room with a knife

they fill their heads with this nonsense about how their job is ULTRA SUPER DANGEROUS AND THEY COULD DIE AT ANY MINUTE HOLY poo poo without talking about the actual statistics of how likely it is that they will encounter such a situation. It's why cops are such giant pussies who will pull out their gun and start firing wildly a the drop of a pin. They are taught to be super afraid of everyone and everything.

Zahgaegun posted:

The Gracie Breakdown recently posted a video arguing that P.O.s lack of hand-to-hand training and out of shape officers leads to the immediate use of weapons and general escalation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4VeHOkt_o8

I would argue that they're not taught to be 'super afraid of everything' rather they innately know they can't take down poo poo so they reach for their weapons.

The Gracies are in the business of selling said training, of course

Hurricane posted:

This is just for Finland, but here are the statistics about firearm usage in the Finnish Police between 2003 and 2013. Link in Finnish here (google translate does a reasonable job of translating it). http://yle.fi/uutiset/poliisin_aseenkaytto_johtaa_harvoin_kuolemaan/7738709


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So of 385 cases, 304 times the police just threathened to use the gun (but did eventually not), and in 80 cases did use guns. In total 122 shots were fired (of them 40 warning shots), which resulted in 20 wounded and 2 dead. This during a period of 10 years. So for every 10 shots to the leg, 1 ends up being deadly.

As an additional small point, the statistics are a bit skewed due to a case in 2011 when police tried to stop a lorry by firing a lot of rounds on the motor of the vehicle.

A misanthrope posted:

http://fusion.net/story/186239/police-training-guns-chart/

the trump tutelage posted:

It's never a cold blooded execution. All I see in every shooting video is a poo poo scared white cop panicking.

FrankeeFrankFrank posted:

DON'T READ THIS IT'S POINTLESS

So a couple of months ago I was driving down a dark road at night, and nearly hit a young black man with my car who was walking in the middle of the road in same direction as I was driving. Scared me to death because I didn't see him until the last second and I swerved to the right to avoid him. I nearly came to a stop and looked in my review mirror, he just kept walking right down the yellow line. I thought about asking him if he needed help, but he looked really pissed off, so I just kept driving. It really worried me that this kid was going to get killed or cause an accident that would kill some one else. About a mile up the road was a police station so I pulled in and went inside to report what I saw. I thought I was being a good citizen and maybe helping prevent an accident, etc.

First the cops were in the back, I could see them through the glass behind the reception area, and they didn't look too happy to see me, I guess because one of them had to get up from their Freecell game, yes I could see he was playing Freecell... which is fine who cares... but when someone walks into the police station, especially at 11pm, don't you think the cops would assume that I might have something more important then Freecell to talk to them about?

So the cop comes out front completely annoyed he had to walk 20 feet. I say, "There is a kid walking down the middle of the road and it's really dark and I didn't see him and almost hit him and he didn't move from the middle of the road or anything. He looked mad. I just don't want him to get killed or cause an accident. Cop says "ok" and turns to walk away. I'm confused, I thought I was doing the right thing here, and the cop couldn't care less. As he walks away I say, "So you might want to check that out, I just don't want someone to get hurt." He says, "ok" and keeps walking.

I go back to the car kind of pissed off. wtf? As I pulled out of the police station, I pulled out in front of the kid, still pissed off walking straight down the center of a dark road.

Anyway my point is... when a black kid is walking down the middle of the street I think the right answer is to do something in between absolutely nothing and shooting him 16 times.

BeefThief posted:

gone off dat sherm

FrankeeFrankFrank posted:

DON'T READ THIS IT'S POINTLESS

So a couple of months ago I was driving down a dark road at night, and nearly hit a young black man with my car who was walking in the middle of the road in same direction as I was driving. Scared me to death because I didn't see him until the last second and I swerved to the right to avoid him. I nearly came to a stop and looked in my review mirror, he just kept walking right down the yellow line. I thought about asking him if he needed help, but he looked really pissed off, so I just kept driving. It really worried me that this kid was going to get killed or cause an accident that would kill some one else. About a mile up the road was a police station so I pulled in and went inside to report what I saw. I thought I was being a good citizen and maybe helping prevent an accident, etc.

First the cops were in the back, I could see them through the glass behind the reception area, and they didn't look too happy to see me, I guess because one of them had to get up from their Freecell game, yes I could see he was playing Freecell... which is fine who cares... but when someone walks into the police station, especially at 11pm, don't you think the cops would assume that I might have something more important then Freecell to talk to them about?

So the cop comes out front completely annoyed he had to walk 20 feet. I say, "There is a kid walking down the middle of the road and it's really dark and I didn't see him and almost hit him and he didn't move from the middle of the road or anything. He looked mad. I just don't want him to get killed or cause an accident. Cop says "ok" and turns to walk away. I'm confused, I thought I was doing the right thing here, and the cop couldn't care less. As he walks away I say, "So you might want to check that out, I just don't want someone to get hurt." He says, "ok" and keeps walking.

I go back to the car kind of pissed off. wtf? As I pulled out of the police station, I pulled out in front of the kid, still pissed off walking straight down the center of a dark road.

Anyway my point is... when a black kid is walking down the middle of the street I think the right answer is to do something in between absolutely nothing and shooting him 16 times.

FrankeeFrankFrank posted:

DON'T READ THIS IT'S POINTLESS

http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/laquan-mcdonald-investigation-305105631.html posted:

Chicago police officers deleted footage from a security camera at a Burger King restaurant located fewer than 100 yards from where 17-year old Laquan McDonald was shot and killed, according to a Chicago-area district manager for the food chain.

After the shooting, according to Jay Darshane, the District Manager for Burger King, four to five police officers wearing blue and white shirts entered the restaurant and asked to view the video and were given the password to the equipment. Three hours later they left, he said.

The next day, when an investigator from the Independent Police Review Authority asked to view the security footage, it was discovered that the 86 minutes of video was missing.

4outof5 posted:

I hate to sound like a broken record but if a cop tells you to stop and put your hands up while you're holding a weapon what the gently caress makes you think that's going to go any other way but REAL bad when you don't?

Hurricane posted:

So of 385 cases, 304 times the police just threathened to use the gun (but did eventually not), and in 80 cases did use guns. In total 122 shots were fired (of them 40 warning shots), which resulted in 20 wounded and 2 dead. This during a period of 10 years. So for every 10 shots to the leg, 1 ends up being deadly.

lfield posted:

it'll probably go to trial for the show of the thing but he'll get off because they won't be able to prove premeditation

B. Birdsworth posted:

like&share if u agree

XMNN posted:

tbf if youd mentioned he was black they would have run out guns drawn

A misanthrope posted:

part of the problem is the way we train police

they sit them down and make them watch all these dash cam videos of cops getting overtaken by unarmed dudes -- and have em run drills where they have to shoot a guy who is charging at them from across the room with a knife

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CalvinCoolidge posted:

I think another problem is how we train urban youths.

They take pcp and brandish knives in the streets and then expect no repercussions for their actions. If they had simply not done that, none of this would have happened.

B. Birdsworth posted:

like&share if u agree

B. Birdsworth posted:

like&share if u agree

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al-azad posted:

I have to wonder how many lovely racist old people who support militarized police were also burning poo poo after the Kent State massacre. The sad thing is if that happened again today even against white students there'd be newscasters literally saying "Today's entitled generation learns a harsh lesson in respecting authority."