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this_is_hard posted:hmm yes, much like any victim of a crime, those who have been raped should shoulder the burden of preventing their attacker from attacking again. uh, yeah? if someone raped you then the best possible reason to go to the police and cooperate with an investigation is to get the rapist off the streets so he can't rape anyone else. is this a controversial opinion to hold in a post-tumblr society? ArmZ posted:so all those kids molested by priests are at fault I guess. being a small child is a pretty good excuse for most irrational behavior imho
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City of Tampa posted:uh, yeah? if someone raped you then the best possible reason to go to the police and cooperate with an investigation is to get the rapist off the streets so he can't rape anyone else. is this a controversial opinion to hold in a post-tumblr society? Yes, and it makes you both clueless and an awful person. I hope this helps, buddy!!
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City of Tampa posted:uh, yeah? if someone raped you then the best possible reason to go to the police and cooperate with an investigation is to get the rapist off the streets so he can't rape anyone else. is this a controversial opinion to hold in a post-tumblr society? But they waited decades after they turned 18 to bring it up!!!!!!! also most were actually older.
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this_is_hard posted:Yes, and it makes you both clueless and an awful person. I hope this helps, buddy!! I understand that there are often many complex reasons why rapes go unreported including a well-deserved mistrust of the police force but this is a dumb position to take. If someone kills your kids or breaks into your house, you are a victim, but it is still your responsibility to report the crime and aid in the investigation.
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Me: it is my closely held belief that rape is an underreported and underinvestigated crime, and that means society is bad. I also think it is a bad thing to tell victims that they should be proactive in reporting and testifying, because society is bad. loving regressive idiot: then how do you suggest we reduce the occurrence of rape Me: REDUCE?!!!
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loquacius posted:I understand that there are often many complex reasons why rapes go unreported including a well-deserved mistrust of the police force but this is a dumb position to take. If someone kills your kids or breaks into your house, you are a victim, but it is still your responsibility to report the crime and aid in the investigation. No, not really. Saying it is the responsibility of the rape victim to prevent further attacks from the rapist is shifting the burden of responsibility from the perpetrator to the victim. Being raped is an incredibly traumatic and damaging experience and nearly every individual reacts differently. Choosing not to go forward and deal with even more trauma of a trial, cross examination, public scrutiny (just look at this thread!) is most certainly a factor why some do not. It is essentially the same line of thinking that is "don't wear a short skirt if you don't want to be raped."
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loquacius posted:I understand that there are often many complex reasons why rapes go unreported including a well-deserved mistrust of the police force but this is a dumb position to take. If someone kills your kids or breaks into your house, you are a victim, but it is still your responsibility to report the crime and aid in the investigation. this might be a not retarded comparison if people actually said things like "your kid wouldn't have gotten killed if he wasn't such a prick" or "you got burglarized because your front yard looked too nice" but no, it's just retarded
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loquacius posted:I understand that there are often many complex reasons why rapes go unreported including a well-deserved mistrust of the police force but this is a dumb position to take. If someone kills your kids or breaks into your house, you are a victim, but it is still your responsibility to report the crime and aid in the investigation. you probably aren't going to be vilified as a person and ostracized for either one of those and have not suffered any physical harm in the latter. quote:Lizzy Seeberg, 19, was a freshman at Saint Mary’s College in Notre Dame, Ind., when she said she was sexually assaulted Aug. 31, 2010, by a Notre Dame player in his room, according to the National Catholic Reporter. The day after the attack, Seeberg reported the assault in a handwritten statement to campus police. In the days that followed, a friend of the player sent her text messages, including one that warned, "Messing with Notre Dame football is a bad idea," according to National Catholic Reporter. Seeberg killed herself Sept. 10 of that year.
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fyodor posted:Hey this thread sucks. Please close this thread fyodor I'm too bored and weak to not tell everybody my rape opinions, and apparently I'm not alone 
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this_is_hard posted:No, not really. Saying it is the responsibility of the rape victim to prevent further attacks from the rapist is shifting the burden of responsibility from the perpetrator to the victim. Being raped is an incredibly traumatic and damaging experience and nearly every individual reacts differently. Choosing not to go forward and deal with even more trauma of a trial, cross examination, public scrutiny (just look at this thread!) is most certainly a factor why some do not. No, it's essentially the same line of thinking that is "if you want the guy who killed your kids to be caught you need to tell the cops about it" Yes, reporting a rape and dealing with the trial etc etc etc is difficult and traumatic. That means we need to increase the support structure and resources to help rape victims deal with the system, not that we need to encourage them to just not tell anyone.
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loquacius posted:No, it's essentially the same line of thinking that is "if you want the guy who killed your kids to be caught you need to tell the cops about it" no one is saying that
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my tulpa claims it was raped by james deen's tulpa!
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ArmZ posted:so all those kids molested by priests are at fault I guess. I think he's saying if you're a cognizant adult you should report a rape to the proper authorities instead of waiting and letting the Internet know about it sometime later Seems that lately a lot of people who cry rape without going to the police first are usually discovered to be liars, so I guess we're seeing the blowback from those high profile cases. Then again, in the past 2-3 years, there have been at least two rape cases involving women who did go to the police and they did nothing so I can see an accusers conundrum. Hindsight is always 20/20 and I don't think everyone should always presuppose a victim is not being truthful until she starts carrying a mattress around campus and makes a pornographic movie simulating said rape for an art class final. Or they accuse someone of rape but leave a paper trial the days after begging for more of that rapey dick. In this case, she was still working with the person after said rape and promoting those videos for sale on her website. I do not understand why she continued this if said rapist disgusted her. She doesn't have to explain herself, I just want to understand the reasoning behind the delay and the continued professional relationship. Is this like Stockholm syndrome or something? Did she fear she would no longer be able to work in the industry? Maybe my timeline is hosed up and they were still dating as of April this year.
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loquacius posted:No, it's essentially the same line of thinking that is "if you want the guy who killed your kids to be caught you need to tell the cops about it" nope, because rape victims have historically suffered a unique stigma. Relatives/associates of a murder victim have not. I hope this helps!
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this_is_hard posted:No, not really. Saying it is the responsibility of the rape victim to prevent further attacks from the rapist is shifting the burden of responsibility from the perpetrator to the victim. Being raped is an incredibly traumatic and damaging experience and nearly every individual reacts differently. Choosing not to go forward and deal with even more trauma of a trial, cross examination, public scrutiny (just look at this thread!) is most certainly a factor why some do not. I agree. The perpetrators of rape should have the burden of getting themselves convicted. In fact all crimes should be solved this way.
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this_is_hard posted:No, not really. Saying it is the responsibility of the rape victim to prevent further attacks from the rapist is shifting the burden of responsibility from the perpetrator to the victim. Being raped is an incredibly traumatic and damaging experience and nearly every individual reacts differently. Choosing not to go forward and deal with even more trauma of a trial, cross examination, public scrutiny (just look at this thread!) is most certainly a factor why some do not.
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Germstore posted:I agree. The perpetrators of rape should have the burden of getting themselves convicted. In fact all crimes should be solved this way. 'burden of getting themselves convicted' is not the same thing as the 'burden of preventing future attacks.' i hope this helps!!
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ArmZ posted:no one is saying that I don't know how else to parse "expecting victims to report crimes is shifting responsibility to them which is bad and wrong" though
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I'm Crap posted:look i understand that you're sincerely trying to help and be a good person, and i respect that and everything, but get this: you're a terrible idiot wicked burn!!! XD
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this_is_hard posted:nope, because rape victims have historically suffered a unique stigma. Relatives/associates of a murder victim have not. I hope this helps! so let's ease the stigma and increase support systems and encourage them to report things like I said, not just close our eyes and say "LA LA LA" as loud as possible
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this_is_hard posted:'burden of getting themselves convicted' is not the same thing as the 'burden of preventing future attacks.' i hope this helps!! I think it may be dumber suggesting that rape can be dealt with by rapists all having a long think and deciding not to rape.
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loquacius posted:so let's ease the stigma and increase support systems encourage them to report things like I said, not just close our eyes and say "LA LA LA" as loud as possible no one is closing their eyes and saying "la la la" but otherwise agreed. lets start by gassing this thread.
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Germstore posted:I think it may be dumber suggesting that rape can be dealt with by rapists all having a long think and deciding not to rape. no one is suggesting this. i hope this helps!!!
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this_is_hard posted:no one is closing their eyes and saying "la la la" can you please explain how telling victims they don't have to report crimes committed against them is not doing that please and thank you fake-edit: I HOPE THIS HELPS!!!!!! loquacius fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Dec 1, 2015 |
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this_is_hard posted:no one is suggesting this. i hope this helps!!! then what are you suggesting? how does the burden shift to the perpetrator?
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ArmZ posted:you probably aren't going to be vilified as a person and ostracized for either one of those and have not suffered any physical harm in the latter. Dude was black fyi. She probably just regretted it.
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E1M1 posted:this reporting/not reporting debate is going to be moot anyway once the government finally clears out the 802.11g channel so I can deploy my rape radar Please rename it to "Rapedar" tia
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loquacius posted:can you please explain how telling victims they don't have to report crimes committed against them is not doing that please and thank you no one has said that victims shouldn't report rape. what has been said, tho, is that doing so or not doing so does not somehow make them 'at fault' that their rapist has raped someone else. i hope this helps!!
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i'm reading all these retarded rape posts and still nobody has explained why a victim of a crime doesn't have a responsibility to protect potential future victims by reporting said crime and cooperating with an investigation
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this_is_hard posted:no one has said that victims shouldn't report rape. what has been said, tho, is that doing so or not doing so does not somehow make them 'at fault' that their rapist has raped someone else. i hope this helps!! no one is saying that, and I very honestly and sincerely hope this helps  e: I guess City of Tampa is saying that but yeah it's certainly not MY point, I hope this helps!!!!!
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Zzulu posted:
sure i seen this before in a story about how mooslims successfully fitted into a alien society or was it
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loquacius posted:no one is saying that, and I very honestly and sincerely hope this helps I'm not saying that the victim is entirely at fault for future rapes perpetrated by their rapist if they refuse to report it, but yeah they definitely have some responsibility. You can't just let people get away with poo poo like that because you are too afraid to go to the police about it. If your rapist rapes again some of that is definitely on you if you didn't cooperate with an investigation. Yeah that really sucks but it's still no excuse to do something like that. City of Tampa fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Dec 1, 2015 |
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What's this hootenanny about grapes ? These darn millenials!
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this_is_hard posted:wicked burn!!! XD
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the most empowering thing: telling victims that they're too frail to report their rapes and too helpless to seek justice against their attackers
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this_is_hard posted:No, not really. Saying it is the responsibility of the rape victim to prevent further attacks from the rapist is shifting the burden of responsibility from the perpetrator to the victim. Being raped is an incredibly traumatic and damaging experience and nearly every individual reacts differently. Choosing not to go forward and deal with even more trauma of a trial, cross examination, public scrutiny (just look at this thread!) is most certainly a factor why some do not. If someone victimizes you that doesn't mean you have to take their advice to the hilt and go full bitchmade victim 190% hardcoru and just lay on the ground and wail and bang your heels and act like a loving moron. In any case let's applaud the courage of this woman to finally stand up to her psychosexual bondsman in the form of a poorly worded casual tweet she sent from her phone while waiting in line for coffee.
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