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Doc Block posted:You realize that it's poor people who overwhelmingly get punishment instead of rehabilitation, right? Yea, I'm aware. What I meant here was philosophically sometimes punitive action may be more effective and to the point, whereas rehabilitation is just kicking the can down the road for certain people who would abuse that privilege. On the other hand maybe someone who is genuinely penitent could be rehabilitated. Ideally the justice system could perceive these nuances objectively and fairly and obviously in this case they did not. Whether or not affluenza is a useful concept the dude plainly didn't care or take any responsibility whatsoever.
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TheShazbot posted:Is there a disease for the poor people who are hosed over by the system who have to resort to petty crime to get by? Drug and/or alcohol addiction Not recognized as a legal defense tho which is a drat shame, I'd love to knock me over a liquor store or 2
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Dec 29, 2015 23:32
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When the target's a ginger scumbag, the snitches get stitches thing is suspended right?
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Dec 29, 2015 23:36
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Melmac posted:literally killed a person and she didn't even get a citation for anything at all A lot of probation departments work with the marshals. My department has officers that are deputized as marshall and handle bench warrants. Usually we don't actually put out wanted posters but the case is so high profile that it was deemed appropriate
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Dec 29, 2015 23:38
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ProperCoochie posted:-12 year old black kid playing with a toy gun in a park, shot 1.5 seconds after police arrive. Police not indicted Well that kid certainly won't make that mistake again. The system works!
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Dec 29, 2015 23:43
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B-Rock452 posted:A lot of probation departments work with the marshals. My department has officers that are deputized as marshall and handle bench warrants. Usually we don't actually put out wanted posters but the case is so high profile that it was deemed appropriate Isn't it because the marshals have jurisdiction pretty much everywhere? Gotta be easier than trying to contact a bunch of local PDs. Also if a bunch of US Marshals are looking for you, you done hosed up. haljordan fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Dec 29, 2015 |
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Dec 29, 2015 23:47
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Has anyone mentioned that the entire state of Texas should be immolated? Because if not, I'd like to do so.
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Dec 29, 2015 23:55
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ProperCoochie posted:It's so poetic and American that this case is running alongside the Tamir Rice verdict. I would say that most right-wingers would want the rich kid to be put to death as well.
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Dec 29, 2015 23:57
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haljordan posted:Isn't it because the marshals have jurisdiction pretty much everywhere? Gotta be easier than trying to contact a bunch of local PDs. That is also true although I have never had too much of an issue tracking someone down out of state and have even made arrests in another state although I am not sure how legal it actually is. Probation is weird in that there is a whole ton of gray area with what we do and violation hearings are completely different from most other hearings. We don't need warrants for searches and we can use hearsay for violating an offender
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Dec 30, 2015 00:09
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Oh yeah if you're on probation or parole you're almost always subject to search of your person/property by any law enforcement without any kind of probable cause. There's a million ways to violate someone (hanging out with other felons is always a good one). You definitely lose any benefit of the doubt. What line of work are you in? Law enforcement?
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Dec 30, 2015 00:13
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So a court rules that an 18 year old can't use alcohol or have fun for ten years? They were setting up Ethan Couch for failure. Ethan represents the sort of youthful rebellion that the state seeks to stamp out. Free him, IMO. Taking away Ethan's chance at a normal life won't restore the lives of the four who died. Is ruining some kid's future what they would have wanted?
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Dec 30, 2015 00:16
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haljordan posted:Oh yeah if you're on probation or parole you're almost always subject to search of your person/property by any law enforcement without any kind of probable cause. There's a million ways to violate someone (hanging out with other felons is always a good one). You definitely lose any benefit of the doubt. I work as a parole officer and previously worked 6 years in juvenile probaton. And oddly enough in my state that isn't exactly true. Cops can't call is with info in order to circumvent needing a warrant but if a random person calls and refuses to leave their name we can search...
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B-Rock452 posted:I work as a parole officer and previously worked 6 years in juvenile probaton. And oddly enough in my state that isn't exactly true. Cops can't call is with info in order to circumvent needing a warrant but if a random person calls and refuses to leave their name we can search... Ah figures it would vary by state. I'm guessing people on parole/probation don't make too much noise though because they know it's relatively simple to send them back to the clink if they really act like a hardon. Is being in a place that serves alcohol enough to violate in your state? haljordan fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Dec 30, 2015 |
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Dec 30, 2015 00:18
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haljordan posted:Ah figures it would vary by state. I'm guessing people on parole/probation don't make too much noise though because they know it's relatively simple to send them back to the clink if they really act like a hardon. Is being in a place that serves alcohol enough to violate in your state? Well my state is made even more confusing in that it varies county to county (in some counties you can own firearms for hunting but in mine you can't. ) it isn't again our rules to be around alcohol or drink but that can be specified in a court order
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TEAYCHES posted:So a court rules that an 18 year old can't use alcohol or have fun for ten years? They were setting up Ethan Couch for failure. Ethan represents the sort of youthful rebellion that the state seeks to stamp out. Free him, IMO. Taking away Ethan's chance at a normal life won't restore the lives of the four who died. Is ruining some kid's future what they would have wanted? nah, i say we guillotine him.
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Dec 30, 2015 00:40
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RaySmuckles posted:nah, i say we guillotine him. Just let the families of the people he murdered have like, eight minutes alone with him in a locked room. Blunt objects only.
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Dec 30, 2015 00:45
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haljordan posted:Just let the families of the people he murdered have like, eight minutes alone with him in a locked room. Blunt objects only. Wow, this kind of attitude is what's wrong with the "justice" system in America.
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TEAYCHES posted:Wow, this kind of attitude is what's wrong with the "justice" system in America. I said "blunt objects only", I'm not Gandhi for gently caress's sake.
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Dec 30, 2015 00:49
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Doc Block posted:Statistically, women get lighter sentences. Maybe for the same crime, sure, but the prosecutor dropped several felony counts (she stole prescription pads and falsified several dozen prescriptions for a schedule-II controlled substance) in exchange for her agreeing to the treatment in lieu of prosecution deal. Technically going off of the letter of the law every time she filled out a script it should have been a separate felony charge, and every time she had a forged script filled it should have been an additional felony charge. If it wasn't for the fact that they were financially ruined from spending all of their income on drugs for months before being caught I would have suspected the prosecutor was bought off. If she hadn't been a nurse there's no doubt in my mind she would have received a far harsher punishment (and rightfully so) than her husband. Geoj fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Dec 30, 2015 |
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Dec 30, 2015 00:54
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TEAYCHES posted:Wow, this kind of attitude is what's wrong with the "justice" system in America. I agree with trump, we need to start going after the families of criminals
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Dec 30, 2015 03:26
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TEAYCHES posted:Wow, this kind of attitude is what's wrong with the "justice" system in America. As opposed to high-powered "justice for hire" lawyers who know the judges and prosecutors and can get you out of felonies for the right price? Lol.
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Dec 30, 2015 03:52
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After OJ Simpson published "If I Did It" the original prosecution team should have been able able to challenge him to a table, ladders, chairs match in the cage at wrestlemania.
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Dec 30, 2015 04:22
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Dec 30, 2015 09:55
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their getaway plan was to go to mexico and live in a hotel and they got caught because they ordered pizza.
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Dec 30, 2015 09:56
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They actually got caught cause they tracked a cellphone they had associated with the kid. Dumb millennial can't even exile without his precious phone lol.
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Dec 30, 2015 12:56
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Sancho posted:They actually got caught cause they tracked a cellphone they had associated with the kid. Dumb millennial can't even exile without his precious phone lol. You ever see shows where a guy is being chased by police will drive to the Mexican border which instantly makes police give up and turn around? He probably was thinking of that.
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Dec 30, 2015 13:16
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haljordan posted:Just let the families of the people he murdered have like, eight minutes alone with him in a locked room. Blunt objects only. The Bible says this is the right thing to do. It's full of a lot of this sort of stuff. Did you know you can also sentence your kids to capital punishment if you can't control them? RaySmuckles posted:nah, i say we guillotine him. Don't worry, when the genuinely oppressed poor rise up at the urging of the mildly oppressed middle class, something like this might come around, at least until the new guys take control and become utterly indistinguishable from the old regime.
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Minimalist Program posted:their getaway plan was to go to mexico and live in a hotel and they got caught because they ordered pizza.
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Dec 30, 2015 14:30
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Will they have to segregate him from the general population ? All this coverage might not make him too popular with the boys.
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This kid should rot in jail because no amount of "ugh parents fault he has a poor upbringing yada yada" should excuse the fact he killed 4 people while drink driving and didn't suffer anything for it.
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this kid is like the only time i have ever thought the american prison system is fit for purpose shame he's never going to enter it
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Dec 30, 2015 15:17
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a prosecutor in mexico is claiming they want to give him the full sentence he should've gotten the first time. there in mexico. lol
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Dec 30, 2015 15:33
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:a prosecutor in mexico is claiming they want to give him the full sentence he should've gotten the first time. there in mexico. Please let this happen
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Dec 30, 2015 15:47
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I don't have affluenza, no.
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Dec 30, 2015 15:50
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Minimalist Program posted:their getaway plan was to go to mexico and live in a hotel and they got caught because they ordered pizza. I read that a marshall tracked them to Mexico by phone records. I wonder if that means this genius took his phone to Mexico with him and the marshall accessed his Google phone location history.
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:a prosecutor in mexico is claiming they want to give him the full sentence he should've gotten the first time. there in mexico. I am literally praying to a Dead fakek God that this is true
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Dec 30, 2015 15:52
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Sancho posted:They actually got caught cause they tracked a cellphone they had associated with the kid. Dumb millennial can't even exile without his precious phone lol. If the had GPS coordinates they should've just done a drone strike imo
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:a prosecutor in mexico is claiming they want to give him the full sentence he should've gotten the first time. there in mexico. Gonna take a lot of bribe money to get him out of Mexico.
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Dec 30, 2015 16:32
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Drone_Fragger posted:This kid should rot in jail because no amount of "ugh parents fault he has a poor upbringing yada yada" should excuse the fact he killed 4 people while drink driving and didn't suffer anything for it. drat, get a load of this guy with his opinion, woah.
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:a prosecutor in mexico is claiming they want to give him the full sentence he should've gotten the first time. there in mexico. Did he even break any laws in Mexico? I've never heard of someone fleeing to Mexico and getting jail time there (unless they committed a crime while they were there).
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