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Pesmerga posted:No one appears to be reporting that in her publishes resignation letter her first given reason for stepping down is just having had a third child and the logistics of family and the position being too hard to manage. Got a link?
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Darth Walrus posted:Got a link?
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Jan 11, 2016 12:47
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Holy poo poo, so, 90% of the letter is her saying how much she likes jeremy and how the position is getting in the way of her constituency work, but the headline is the last couple of sentences. Jesus christ.
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Jan 11, 2016 12:48
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OwlFancier posted:Holy poo poo, so, 90% of the letter is her saying how much she likes jeremy and how the position is getting in the way of her constituency work, but the headline is the last couple of sentences. Jesus christ. What media bias? There's no media bias here.
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Jan 11, 2016 12:48
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She doesn't even seem to lay it exclusively at Corbyn's feet, it could just as easily be interpreted as frustration at the Blairites.
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Jan 11, 2016 12:49
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Another member of the Shadow Cabinet resigns, this time the Shadow Attorney General Catherine McKinnel "Another" is an odd way to spell "first". Worrying if this marks an escalation in that regard.
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Jan 11, 2016 12:51
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Regarde Aduck posted:Cultural Marxism is a term used by bad people to mean anyone who has feelings for their fellow man and doesn't take every opportunity to destroy everything and climb over the remains of the dead and dying. They're about the only people who use the word for reasons other than 'Marxism is a bad scary word', but they're promoting a message that basically amounts to "let's win the glorious workers' revolution first, then we can deal with racism and misogyny." which still amount's to what MLK would probably call someone who "paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom" (or in other words, a type of liberalism  ).
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Jan 11, 2016 12:55
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Cerv posted:"Another" is an odd way to spell "first". Well the link says she's "the fourth to quit since the front bench since the reshuffle" which is what I was referring to
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Jan 11, 2016 12:56
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While I wish there was a concerted effort to destroy the western world from within and bring about a glorious socialist utopia in a bloodless manner it turns out those scheming Jews couldn't even manage to do that right so the Frankfurt School's attempt at doing this has been less than ideal. One could even say, if one was so inclined, that their attempts have been non-existent. e: Just incase there are people who aren't aware, like Saurus seemingly isn't (although I doubt that) Cultural Marxism is a modern take on Cultural Bolshevism, or to give it its correct term Kulturbolschewismus. If that latter term sounds ominous it's probably because it's a literal Nazi theory. Not even "These guys are slightly authoritarian", I mean honest to god, bona-fide, national socialist ideology. It hasn't progressed one iota beyond its lofty roots, it's merely been given another name. Rush Limbo fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Jan 11, 2016 |
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Jan 11, 2016 12:57
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Ddraig posted:While I wish there was a concerted effort to destroy the western world from within and bring about a glorious socialist utopia in a bloodless manner it turns out those scheming Jews couldn't even manage to do that right so the Frankfurt School's attempt at doing this has been less than ideal. One could even say, if one was so inclined, that their attempts have been non-existent. From the right it's Cultural Marxism, the systematic Jewish plot to destroy the West and bring in godless socialism by promoting feminism and multiculturalism. From the left it's Cultural Marxism, the systematic CIA plot to destroy Marxism in the West by turning it into a never ending stream of infighting over cultural issues.
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Jan 11, 2016 13:05
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Wow, the BBC really does have it out for Corbyn, don't they. I suppose they have decided that manufacturing political drama is all part of their remit to bring people news and they're running with it. Like, "resigning to spend more time with my family" is usually an obvious euphemism and they still include it so you'd think it would at least get a look in when it seems like a legitimate part of her reasoning. Then the snide dig about trying to shape the cabinet in his own image at the end. what a bunch of bastards
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Jan 11, 2016 13:09
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Gonzo McFee posted:gently caress sake, the strikes didn't go forward the first time so of course the Guardian finds the scab from that strike to write a second article for this one. I'm voting no on this strike, then they'll have to give us a better strike
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Jan 11, 2016 13:17
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It's very peculiar timing for a resignation, immediately after a controversial reshuffle that has caused a great deal of protest and media heat as well as other protest resignations. If it was really all just about "spending time with her family", wouldn't it have been something she'd have discussed with Corbyn before the reshuffle took place so it could be a smooth transition? And if she has such admiration for Dear Leader why even mention the direction of the party under Corbyn as a significant factor in her resignation in the first place?
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kapparomeo posted:It's very peculiar timing for a resignation, immediately after a controversial reshuffle that has caused a great deal of protest and media heat as well as other protest resignations. If it was really all just about "spending time with her family", wouldn't it have been something she'd have discussed with Corbyn before the reshuffle took place? And if she has such admiration for Dear Leader why even mention the direction of the party under Corbyn in the first place? While your nonsense is always fun, I'd be keen to see your reaction if Farage quit due to attempts on his life and the media ran with "Farage quits because he's a massive nonce".
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Jan 11, 2016 13:19
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Spangly A posted:While your nonsense is always fun, I'd be keen to see your reaction if Farage quit due to attempts on his life and the media ran with "Farage quits because he's a massive nonce". I think if he resigned stating death threats and being a nonce as the reasons for it, the nonce reason would grab the headlines.
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Jan 11, 2016 13:20
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Also for fucks sake can somebody please tell the idiotic union reps to please time their strikes properly, there's enough pissed off major professions that simply timing teachers/tube workers/junior doctors/nursing staff together might actually do something other than give Jeremy Hunt airtime.
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Jan 11, 2016 13:21
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Guavanaut posted:Less so, but it's also used by trad Marxists who are angry that identity politics have overshadowed class politics, and believe that Marxism represents unity and Cultural Marxism represents an endless series of divisions. Isn't that what wassisname was saying in this thread earlier? Before Racisaurus rex started his Jurrassic derail.
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Jan 11, 2016 13:21
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kapparomeo posted:And if she has such admiration for Dear Leader why even mention the direction of the party under Corbyn in the first place? Oh I don't know, maybe because she's resigning now, because of things that are happening now, instead of resigning in the past before Corbyn was leader and before she was in cabinet? Makes u think
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Jan 11, 2016 13:22
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Pissflaps posted:I think if he resigned stating death threats and being a nonce as the reasons for it, the nonce reason would grab the headlines. That's not what he said though is it.
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Jan 11, 2016 13:22
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baka kaba posted:Oh I don't know, maybe because she's resigning now, because of things that are happening now, instead of resigning in the past before Corbyn was leader and before she was in cabinet? Like, say, finding out she has a third baby on the way?
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Jan 11, 2016 13:23
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I guess McKinnell has successfully distracted from the TU bill going in front of the Lords today?
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Jan 11, 2016 13:24
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Dabir posted:That's not what he said though is it. Then it's a useless comparison as the BBC haven't invented a reason, they've just emphasised the one he doesn't like.
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Jan 11, 2016 13:24
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Pissflaps posted:Then it's a useless comparison as the BBC haven't invented a reason, they've just emphasised the one he doesn't like. No see, kapparomeo is saying that the BBC should be taking "wants to spend more time with her family" and extrapolating something she didn't say out of it, which would be the same kind of thing as turning "people are trying to kill me" into "is a nonce".
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baka kaba posted:Oh I don't know, maybe because she's resigning now, because of things that are happening now, instead of resigning in the past before Corbyn was leader and before she was in cabinet? ...so you agree then that the fundamental reason for her resigning is her unhappiness with Corbyn's leadership and her disappointment that his 'new kind of politics' is having a "negative" effect? kapparomeo fucked around with this message at 13:31 on Jan 11, 2016 |
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Jan 11, 2016 13:28
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Dabir posted:No see, kapparomeo is saying that the BBC should be taking "wants to spend more time with her family" and extrapolating something she didn't say out of it, which would be the same kind of thing as turning "people are trying to kill me" into "is a nonce". She did say more than 'wanting to spend time with her family' though?
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It's possible to be exasperated with the infighting in the party and think it is taking it in a negative direction without hanging all the blame on Corbyn.
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Pissflaps posted:She did say more than 'wanting to spend time with her family' though? Yes. I didn't say she didn't, I said that kapparomeo wants the BBC to have turned 'wanting to spend time with her family' into something else that he thinks they didn't say.
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Jan 11, 2016 13:32
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XMNN posted:It's possible to be exasperated with the infighting in the party and think it is taking it in a negative direction without hanging all the blame on Corbyn. True. With Corbyn's consensus approach to leadership it's always going to be somebody else's fault. Dabir posted:Yes. I didn't say she didn't, I said that kapparomeo wants the BBC to have turned 'wanting to spend time with her family' into something else that he thinks they didn't say. When did he say that? He's been talking about the reasons behind her departure, not how its been reported by the BBC. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Jan 11, 2016 |
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XMNN posted:It's possible to be exasperated with the infighting in the party and think it is taking it in a negative direction without hanging all the blame on Corbyn. So you see your embattled leader suffering from criticism and your response is to resign and so deny him even more Cabinet support, and to do it at a time when he's under public scrutiny after a disputed reshuffle? That's Judean People's Front Suicide Squad logic.
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Jan 11, 2016 13:35
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tbf the new kind of politics thing was a bit naive it should have been obvious the Blairites would accept his victory with all the grace of an elephant with four left feet but it was nice to believe they weren't total bastards
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XMNN posted:It's possible to be exasperated with the infighting in the party and think it is taking it in a negative direction without hanging all the blame on Corbyn. "I also have huge respect for you personally as someone who has stood by their principles for many years and done so with decency and respect for those with whom you did not agree"
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its taken 3 updates to that bbc article for it to include the fact that her kids were a part of her decision to resign
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Jan 11, 2016 13:37
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It's nice of them to quit so he doesn't have to be accused of purges for sacking them.
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Jose posted:its taken 3 updates to that bbc article for it to include the fact that her kids were a part of her decision to resign They're reading it backwards.
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kapparomeo posted:...so you agree then that the fundamental reason for her resigning is her unhappiness with Corbyn's leadership and her disappointment that his 'new kind of politics' is having a "negative" effect? Oh you need it spelling out? She doesn't want a cabinet position for various reasons (keeping her in westminster while she's raising a family, being unable to represent her constituency), and right at the bottom of her list is the division and infighting that's going on in the party. So no, it's not her 'fundamental' reason at all, she doesn't say she's unhappy with Corbyn, and she doesn't blame his 'new kind of politics' for the division. I know you're desperate for there to be some kind of personal call-out in there but too bad I guess?
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I think you're exaggerating the significance of that reason being at the end of the letter.
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The Trade Union Bill is up this afternoon in the Lords. It's gotten a lot of poo poo for how it'll mess with Labour Party funding, but that's ignoring some other problems. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-camerons-trade-union-bill-7154118#ICID=ios_TMNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Message quote:The ban on firms bringing in agency workers as strike-breakers will be scrapped and strike leaders may be forced to wear special armbands and give their details to the police.  Oh and the Equality and Human Rights Commission says it could be illegal as it's unfairly restricting people's right to protest peacefully. Which also seems like a bit of a problem for it. If it gets blocked in the House of Lords, which seems reasonably likely, expect all the toys to be thrown out of the pram by the Conservatives.
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Pissflaps posted:I think you're exaggerating the significance of that reason being at the end of the letter. I think I'll have a muffin
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Jan 11, 2016 13:56
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I seriously don't know how people can think my posts are more boring than pissflaps' all he does is argue over semantic minutiae for pages and pages it's really tiresome at least I have some actual political beliefs I put forward, UKMT just can't handle views from outside their Echo Chamber without foaming at the mouth and calling someone a sexist/racist/fascist/literal nazi/more boring than pissflaps
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The Saurus posted:I seriously don't know how people can think my posts are more boring than pissflaps' all he does is argue over semantic minutiae for pages and pages it's really tiresome well stop echoing far right talking points then
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