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i81icu812 posted:I know Disney needs to make their investment pay off, but did ANYONE really want to see a Young Han Solo? This is one situation where I cannot see them changing much from the EU. Han's backstory is kind of a moot point to begin with, but what is there is pretty much exactly what you'd do for a prequel anyways. Minus Sal Solo of course. Han's just a street urchin who joined the Empire and then rebelled when he was told to kill a wookiee slave named Chewbacca. They go on the run and have merry adventures. The end.
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So after rewatching the force awakens, I'm curious. What happened to Anakin's lightsaber in the old EU? I know his clone had it, and then he gave ut to Mara. What ever happened to it afterwards?
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Jan 12, 2016 05:53
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VaultAggie posted:So after rewatching the force awakens, I'm curious. What happened to Anakin's lightsaber in the old EU? I know his clone had it, and then he gave ut to Mara. What ever happened to it afterwards? Mara Jade used it until her death at which point Luke enshrined it, according to Wookiepedia.
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Jan 12, 2016 05:57
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Arcsquad12 posted:This is one situation where I cannot see them changing much from the EU. Han's backstory is kind of a moot point to begin with, but what is there is pretty much exactly what you'd do for a prequel anyways. Minus Sal Solo of course. Han's just a street urchin who joined the Empire and then rebelled when he was told to kill a wookiee slave named Chewbacca. They go on the run and have merry adventures. The end. The main problem with this backstory is that it ties into the Legends depiction of the Empire as human supremacists, which makes it weird that the First Order is led by an alien.
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Jan 12, 2016 06:01
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Silver2195 posted:The main problem with this backstory is that it ties into the Legends depiction of the Empire as human supremacists, which makes it weird that the First Order is led by an alien. They can be racists towards some kinds of aliens, like the ones that can't speak whatever language everyone speaks in place of English.
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Jan 12, 2016 06:30
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Also Snoke might just be a super-hosed up human, we don't really know.
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Jan 12, 2016 06:35
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Snoke being an alien might also be unknown to most of the First Order. Or they look down on some aliens but not others.
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Jan 12, 2016 06:50
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Apparently, in Before the Awakening, it's mentioned that a lot of labor camps in First Order space primarily use non-humans. Also supposedly from the visual dictionary: Snoke and Kylo were together before they joined the First Order. So Snoke became the leader, but didn't create it. Maybe First Order propaganda portrays Snoke as a regular human? Or they just conveniently ignore it because they'll be visited by the Space Gestapo if they question it.
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Jan 12, 2016 07:23
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Strobe posted:You should go back in time to 1979 and stop the the book series from happening. It would be roughly as beneficial as whining about it on an internet comedy forum. But that's my point. Those books were terrible! Really, I don't care what Disney does with their new IP, but I can't see how elaborating on Han's two sentence backstory adds anything. 'Han's just a street urchin who joined the Empire and then rebelled when he was told to kill a wookiee slave named Chewbacca. They go on the run and have merry adventures. The end.'
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Jan 12, 2016 07:30
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Or the First Order doesn't publicize Snoke at all and their public face is a Council of Moffs or something? Shot in the dark here as I've read none of the new EU stuff
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Jan 12, 2016 07:31
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I read an interview with Kasdan recently, and to paraphrase what I remember, he said something along the lines of " Nobody wants a Han Solo origin story, so were making a movie about a younger Han Solo, not a young Han Solo." Edit: Here is what he said “It will not be here’s where he was born and this is how he was raised,” said Kasdan during an interview with Empire Magazine. “I think what it will be is, what was he like 10 years earlier, maybe a little earlier, you’ll get a glimpse. But [Akira] Kurosawa once said the heroes are the ones that are still changing and the villains are locked and petrified into what they are. And Harrison embodies in Force Awakens someone who is still not settled on who he is.” http://nerdist.com/lawrence-kasdan-reveals-when-han-solo-film-will-take-place/ https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazine remusclaw fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Jan 12, 2016 |
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Jan 12, 2016 07:33
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i81icu812 posted:But that's my point. Those books were terrible! I'm mostly against sticking any old actor into a role that's probably going to be 20 year old Han when Harrison Ford so clearly owns 30 year old Han and onwards. Also not a fan of the Marvel Cinematic Universe strategy of putting out subpar movies at a regular interval to keep things rolling.
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Jan 12, 2016 07:37
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That is the doom of open ended franchises. We will never see a satisfying ending to either Marvel or Star Wars. They will ride the money train until no one wants on anymore, and only then will it end. Not that old Star Wars was any better, considering what this thread is about.
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Jan 12, 2016 07:42
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Casimir Radon posted:You have poor taste. If you want to argue EU Han backstory novels had any merit, argue for the AC Crispin books, not the Brian Daley dreck!
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Jan 12, 2016 07:51
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I listened to the first two AC Crispin Han Solo books on tape on a long car trip and they were surprisingly pretty decent! So now I've found some actual decent EU books that aren't Thrawn or X-Wing.
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Jan 12, 2016 20:53
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They should go with someone who looks like a young Burt Reynolds or Tom Selleck to play young Solo
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Jan 12, 2016 21:03
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Snoke is Thrawn: a near-human leading an entirely human Imperial Remnant. He's a little more non-human than Thrawn in appearance but not all that much. Kinda wish they'd just stuck with Thrawn considering they went ahead and used the Unknown Region as First Order territory.
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Jan 12, 2016 21:45
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Jazerus posted:Snoke is Thrawn: a near-human leading an entirely human Imperial Remnant. He's a little more non-human than Thrawn in appearance but not all that much. Snoke is pretty heavy entrenched in The Force and Sith/Jedi stuff. It wouldn't make much sense to use Thrawn for that role unless you changed his character entirely and in that case why not just make a new character?
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Jan 12, 2016 21:48
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ImpAtom posted:Snoke is pretty heavy entrenched in The Force and Sith/Jedi stuff. It wouldn't make much sense to use Thrawn for that role unless you changed his character entirely and in that case why not just make a new character?
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Jan 12, 2016 21:54
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ImpAtom posted:Snoke is pretty heavy entrenched in The Force and Sith/Jedi stuff. It wouldn't make much sense to use Thrawn for that role unless you changed his character entirely and in that case why not just make a new character? True. If Snoke isn't the founder of the First Order, though, maybe Thrawn was?
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Jan 12, 2016 22:02
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Jazerus posted:True. If Snoke isn't the founder of the First Order, though, maybe Thrawn was? I could see Thrawn working well as the chief of the First Order's military, playing a Tarkin role - less of a personal threat to the heroes, but a crushing threat to the heroes' allies.
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Jan 13, 2016 00:19
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There's a 30 year time period between ROTJ and TFA so I'd imagine Thrawn will show up at some point between that. They seem to be avoid EU material that takes place after Jakku to TFA's time so they don't step on the movies' toes.
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Jan 13, 2016 00:38
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Gammatron 64 posted:There's a 30 year time period between ROTJ and TFA so I'd imagine Thrawn will show up at some point between that. They seem to be avoid EU material that takes place after Jakku to TFA's time so they don't step on the movies' toes. They'd basically have to do redo the entire story which doesn't strike me as a great idea even if they get Zahn to do it (and Zahn wanting to just retell Thrawn feels unlikely.) Considering a major part of the story if the birth of Jacen and Jaina and the fate of Luke Skywalker's lightsaber it's kind of hard to just handwave it as "well, it fits well enough."
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Jan 13, 2016 00:47
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I can't see Thrawn being a big deal in movies regardless. My impression of Thrawn is that in the books he was supposed to be a BBEG for all the non-Force characters. If TFA is precedent, then Snoke and Ren are going to be the main antagonists of the trilogy. As such, I doubt we'll see any Thrawn-like character in a role beyond chief military honcho who takes orders from the main villains and is more a threat to the heroes' allies and good guy mooks than a threat to the heroes per se.
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ImpAtom posted:They'd basically have to do redo the entire story which doesn't strike me as a great idea even if they get Zahn to do it (and Zahn wanting to just retell Thrawn feels unlikely.) Considering a major part of the story if the birth of Jacen and Jaina and the fate of Luke Skywalker's lightsaber it's kind of hard to just handwave it as "well, it fits well enough." Yeah, I'm saying I'd expect Thrawn to be in a new story, not making the old books canon again. The tricky part however is that the war ends a year after Endor and there are no major hostilities between Jakku and TFA so that kind of torpedoes a lot of potential stories set in the 30 year gap between movies. The 20+ year war of the old EU was a bit excessive but I was hoping that it would last a little longer than the Rebels winning just 1 year after Endor.
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Gammatron 64 posted:Yeah, I'm saying I'd expect Thrawn to be in a new story, not making the old books canon again. On the other hand, that's a lot of space for smaller scale stories. Not everything needs to be tied in to galaxy spanning conflicts. While it wasn't the best book, look at Ruins of Dantooine, which was tangential at best to the Galactic Civil War. Or Coruscant Nights, or even some of the side stories that pop up in the Wraith Squadron books. Things just kinda happening in the Star Wars universe.
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Jan 13, 2016 01:59
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I honestly want to see some films set in either Hutt Space between the backstabbing Kajidics, or in the Corporate Sector. Just in the lawless regions.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I honestly want to see some films set in either Hutt Space between the backstabbing Kajidics, or in the Corporate Sector. Just in the lawless regions. Star Wars meets space Deadwood.
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Thrawn doesn't work very well in the new continuity. He nearly wins against a New Republic that isn't largely disarmed and actually willing to confront him. I wonder exactly what "no major conflicts" means. Does that mean you can't have a warlord crisis or something of that nature. If so they've kind of hemmed themselves in for a period that ought to be the easiest to write stories in. SeanBeansShako posted:Star Wars meets space Deadwood. Casimir Radon fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Jan 13, 2016 |
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Jan 13, 2016 02:47
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What I imagine if they'll do Cold War style conflicts with little proxy wars. Thrawn doesn't fit into that setting all that well because he's basically Space-Rommel who excels at big sweeping military campaigns.
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Jan 13, 2016 02:53
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Also, for you fellow SWG nerd veterans here is an interesting article about the early development and the constant struggle with the whole Jedi thing in game....
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Jan 13, 2016 02:54
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I dunno, I think you could still do Thrawn in the new continuity, but make him a renegade Admiral who rejected the formation of the First Order. Same character, just change his enemies.
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Gammatron 64 posted:What I imagine if they'll do Cold War style conflicts with little proxy wars. Thrawn doesn't fit into that setting all that well because he's basically Space-Rommel who excels at big sweeping military campaigns. More pointedly, he's Space-Sherlock Holmes with Pellaeon as Space-Watson. I could buy him showing up and Leia being "This guy is WHY we aren't openly fighting the First Order."
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I dunno, I think you could still do Thrawn in the new continuity, but make him a renegade Admiral who rejected the formation of the First Order. Same character, just change his enemies. I admit it would fit with the whole "goodish bad guy" thing he had going by the end of the Legends EU (as opposed to the "competent but still definitely a bad guy" thing he had in the original novels) to have Thrawn be somebody opposed to both the good guys and the bad guys. The fact the First Order seems definitely to be an ideology over sense organization, it makes sense more rational Imperials could break away from it but not "sell out" to the Republic. Thrawn probably could be used for the whole "Cold War" thing between ROTJ and TFA easy enough, he had a lot of clever espionage bits going on with him in the later EU writings, he doesn't have to be "Space Rommel" to work judging by those. If anything, being a ridiculously crafty tactician probably works better in a Cold War chess-game style setup.
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I've been going back through the Thrawn trilogy on audible again just cause. One of the best things about Hand of Thrawn is the bickering among the conspirators, and it slowly dawning on Disra what a mess his plans are in. This time through the trilogy I realized that Thrawn really has the same sort of thing happen to him. Brilliant as he is getting involved with C'baoth has the effect of wrecking his plans several times, and the benefits are pretty nil in comparison.
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Actually, multiple Imperial Warlords fighting small proxy wars in the 30 years between Endor and Force Awakens would be a great way to explain the New Republic being caught off guard. They'd have fought dozens of engagements against Imperial holdouts with relative success that a sense of arrogance emerges and they refuse to acknowledge just how dangerous the First Order is in comparison. They think it's just another military junta (which it is), but fail to see that it has a giant fuckoff death cannon.
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Or they tried to fight the First Order and Thrawn handed the Republic its rear end on a platter, so the Republic is unwilling to fight the First Order openly unless something significant changes.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I honestly want to see some films set in either Hutt Space between the backstabbing Kajidics, or in the Corporate Sector. Just in the lawless regions. Take the Kanjiklub/Raid guys and tell them to go spacehogwild on the gangster fights.
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Casimir Radon posted:I've been going back through the Thrawn trilogy on audible again just cause. One of the best things about Hand of Thrawn is the bickering among the conspirators, and it slowly dawning on Disra what a mess his plans are in. This time through the trilogy I realized that Thrawn really has the same sort of thing happen to him. Brilliant as he is getting involved with C'baoth has the effect of wrecking his plans several times, and the benefits are pretty nil in comparison. Really, the only reason his plans failed is that he made the mistake of sending Noghri after Vader's daughter.
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