Solice Kirsk posted:

Beeez posted:

I like how every time he comments on this people call it "complaining". What does he care? It's not like he retroactively has to change the books to be more like the show.

counterfeitsaint posted:

Because its like being at this party with everyone and you have the best most amazing joke you're going to tell and oh my god this is so funny guys just you wait and you drag it out for like an hour and then someone swoops in and tells it before you.

Kajeesus posted:

The only thing the show has really spoiled is the burning of Shireen, which D&D straight out said was a WoW spoiler.

computer parts posted:

Logistically, it can't go down in the same manner though. Either Stannis gets beat, limps back to the Wall, and sacrifices Shireen because of ??? or Mel burns Shireen while Stannis is away and either he wins and finds out about it later or dies and nothing happens anyway.

All of the indications seem to be the latter scenario, with Stannis winning. Mel will burn Shireen in order to guarantee Stannis's victory but what will really happen is Jon wakes up (because she'll probably phrase it like "with this offering help Azor Ahai" or whatever).

TommyGun85 posted:

books:

Stannis is losing, Mel burns Shireen, Stannis still probably dies, Jon resurrects.

show:

Stannis is losing, mel and stannis burn shireen, stannis dies, mel returns to castle black, jon resurrects.

why is this so hard for people to understand? they have stated a million times that although the events may be slightly different, the end result will be the same.

TommyGun85 posted:

Its more like you're at a party and you tell everyone you have this awesome joke. So you begin to tell the joke and then half way through you tell everyone that punchline will be delivered at the end of the party. Someone approaches you knowing you have no punchline and offers you a boatload of money to retell your joke. They do and everyone laughs and you pout and tell everyone you promise to tell your joke your way because its slightly different.....at the next party.

computer parts posted:

That kinda went out the window once Sansa took the place of Ramsay's rape wife.

TommyGun85 posted:

why?

speshl guy posted:

I thought the pre-eminent fan theory in this thread was that Mel burns Shireen while Stannis is losing, Mel resurrects Jon, then Stannis returns to the wall in time to see that his daughter is dead and Jon has taken his place as Azor Ahai, leading to him to turn down a dark path and become the Night's King.

AAA DOLFAN posted:

One of the least surprising things about this thread is people's inability to accurately describe a party setting

speshl guy posted:

I thought the pre-eminent fan theory in this thread was that Mel burns Shireen while Stannis is losing, Mel resurrects Jon, then Stannis returns to the wall in time to see that his daughter is dead and Jon has taken his place as Azor Ahai, leading to him to turn down a dark path and become the Night's King.

counterfeitsaint posted:

Because its like being at this party with everyone and you have the best most amazing joke you're going to tell and oh my god this is so funny guys just you wait and you drag it out for like an hour and then someone swoops in and tells it before you.

Phi230 posted:

Except the guy that tells the joke before you tells the wrong joke, and still ruins the punchline.

D AND D SUCK OK

counterfeitsaint posted:

The original joke teller is equally garbage, so it's just a lateral shift.

Ague Proof posted:

Its more like you're at a party and you tell everyone you have this awesome joke. So you begin to tell the joke and a man named Dave was about halfway through his workday when it dawned on him that it was his wife Kate’s birthday, and that he hadn’t bought her a present yet. Dave loved his wife and didn’t want to disappoint her, so he thought hard, trying to come up with a good idea for a gift. Soon it dawned on him that Kate had been hinting that she’d like to have a dog someday soon. She had always had dogs growing up and was disappointed that she couldn’t keep one at their old apartment. They had only recently bought a house with a sizable yard, one that was perfect for a dog or two. Dave couldn’t think of a better way to show his love for his wife than to come home today with a dog. After work Dave went to a nearby pet shop owned by a friend of his named Carlos. “Carlos, Kate wants a dog,” he said, “and today is her birthday. It’s kind of sudden, but do you have a really nice, friendly and attractive dog that she might like?” “I sure do,” said Carlos, who led Dave into the back of the store where there were a number of kennels, each containing a dog. Carlos led him all the way to the back of the room and pointed to a particular kennel. “Take a look,” said Carlos. Dave looked into the kennel and saw that inside was a young but grown dog with a coat that was a rich brown color. Most remarkably, Dave noticed that the dog’s coat was amazingly, fantastically, overwhelmingly shaggy. “That’s the shaggiest dog I have ever seen,” said Dave, amazed. “Yep,” said Carlos, “and he’s friendly, too.” Carlos opened the kennel and brought out the dog, who nuzzled against Dave and licked his hand. “I’ll take him,” said Dave. Half an hour later Dave’s car pulled up into the driveway of his home. Kate, who arrived home from work earlier, saw him coming and came out to greet him. When Dave opened the back door and let the dog out, Kate gasped with delight and ran to meet the new pet, who took to her immediately. “Happy birthday, Kate,” said Dave, kissing his wife on the cheek as she hugged the dog. “Thank you, baby,” she said. “He’s beautiful. I think he’s the shaggiest dog I’ve ever seen!” “I know!” said Dave. “That was the first thing I noticed about him.” image“I think he’s the shaggiest dog in the neighborhood,” said Kate. “We should show him to the Lassiters next door.” “Let’s do that now,” said Dave. He attached the leash he had bought on to the dog’s collar and the three of them walked next door and rang the doorbell of their next door neighbors, the Lassiters. Mr. Lassiter emerged. "Hey Dave, Kate,” said Mr. Lassiter. “What’s going on?” “We’d like you to meet the newest member of our family,” said Dave, who then pointed down to the dog. Mr. Lassiter was shocked. “Wow,” he said, “That’s the shaggiest dog I’ve ever seen!” “He certainly is shaggy,” said Kate. “I think this is the shaggiest dog in the entire city!” said Mr. Lassiter. “We should show this dog to the mayor! I’ll call my friend at city hall tonight!” Mr. Lassiter made the call, and his friend arranged for a meeting on the steps of city hall the next day during Dave’s Lunch break. The mayor was amazed and pleased with the dog. “That’s the shaggiest dog I’ve ever seen!” said the mayor. “Thank you,’ said Dave. “Why, I think it’s the shaggiest dog in the entire state! You should bring this dog to meet the governor! I’ll arrange it right away.” The mayor called the governor’s office and arranged a meeting for the following Saturday when the governor was in town. Dave brought the dog to the governor’s hotel and the state’s chief executive met him and the dog along with the mayor next to the hotel pool. “That’s the shaggiest dog I’ve ever laid eyes on!” exclaimed the governor. "He certainly is a shaggy dog,” said Dave. “I’ll say,” said the mayor. “This is easily the shaggiest dog in the state,” said the governor. “I think it may be the shaggiest dog in the entire country!” “Really?” said Dave. “Yes!” said the governor. “I think it’s time to take this dog to meet the President of the United States!” The governor’s office made the arrangements. Two weeks later Dave, Kate, the dog, the mayor and the governor flew to Washington, D.C. and arrived via taxi at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. An aide ushered them through the White House and into the Rose Garden, where they waited for the President. About an hour later, accompanied by the strains of “Hail to the Chief,” the President of the United States entered the Rose Garden. He shook hands with the governor, the mayor, Dave and Kate. “So is this the dog I’ve heard so much about?” asked the President. “Yes,” said Dave. The President reached down and petted the dog on the head. He looked at the dog closely. “This is the dog that you think is so shaggy?” said the President. “Yes,” said Dave, “Don’t you think he’s the shaggiest dog you’ve ever seen?”
“No,” said the President.

Ague Proof posted:

Its more like you're at a party and you tell everyone you have this awesome joke. So you begin to tell the joke and a man named Dave was about halfway through his workday when it dawned on him that it was his wife Kate’s birthday, and that he hadn’t bought her a present yet. Dave loved his wife and didn’t want to disappoint her, so he thought hard, trying to come up with a good idea for a gift. Soon it dawned on him that Kate had been hinting that she’d like to have a dog someday soon. She had always had dogs growing up and was disappointed that she couldn’t keep one at their old apartment. They had only recently bought a house with a sizable yard, one that was perfect for a dog or two. Dave couldn’t think of a better way to show his love for his wife than to come home today with a dog. After work Dave went to a nearby pet shop owned by a friend of his named Carlos. “Carlos, Kate wants a dog,” he said, “and today is her birthday. It’s kind of sudden, but do you have a really nice, friendly and attractive dog that she might like?” “I sure do,” said Carlos, who led Dave into the back of the store where there were a number of kennels, each containing a dog. Carlos led him all the way to the back of the room and pointed to a particular kennel. “Take a look,” said Carlos. Dave looked into the kennel and saw that inside was a young but grown dog with a coat that was a rich brown color. Most remarkably, Dave noticed that the dog’s coat was amazingly, fantastically, overwhelmingly shaggy. “That’s the shaggiest dog I have ever seen,” said Dave, amazed. “Yep,” said Carlos, “and he’s friendly, too.” Carlos opened the kennel and brought out the dog, who nuzzled against Dave and licked his hand. “I’ll take him,” said Dave. Half an hour later Dave’s car pulled up into the driveway of his home. Kate, who arrived home from work earlier, saw him coming and came out to greet him. When Dave opened the back door and let the dog out, Kate gasped with delight and ran to meet the new pet, who took to her immediately. “Happy birthday, Kate,” said Dave, kissing his wife on the cheek as she hugged the dog. “Thank you, baby,” she said. “He’s beautiful. I think he’s the shaggiest dog I’ve ever seen!” “I know!” said Dave. “That was the first thing I noticed about him.” image“I think he’s the shaggiest dog in the neighborhood,” said Kate. “We should show him to the Lassiters next door.” “Let’s do that now,” said Dave. He attached the leash he had bought on to the dog’s collar and the three of them walked next door and rang the doorbell of their next door neighbors, the Lassiters. Mr. Lassiter emerged. "Hey Dave, Kate,” said Mr. Lassiter. “What’s going on?” “We’d like you to meet the newest member of our family,” said Dave, who then pointed down to the dog. Mr. Lassiter was shocked. “Wow,” he said, “That’s the shaggiest dog I’ve ever seen!” “He certainly is shaggy,” said Kate. “I think this is the shaggiest dog in the entire city!” said Mr. Lassiter. “We should show this dog to the mayor! I’ll call my friend at city hall tonight!” Mr. Lassiter made the call, and his friend arranged for a meeting on the steps of city hall the next day during Dave’s Lunch break. The mayor was amazed and pleased with the dog. “That’s the shaggiest dog I’ve ever seen!” said the mayor. “Thank you,’ said Dave. “Why, I think it’s the shaggiest dog in the entire state! You should bring this dog to meet the governor! I’ll arrange it right away.” The mayor called the governor’s office and arranged a meeting for the following Saturday when the governor was in town. Dave brought the dog to the governor’s hotel and the state’s chief executive met him and the dog along with the mayor next to the hotel pool. “That’s the shaggiest dog I’ve ever laid eyes on!” exclaimed the governor. "He certainly is a shaggy dog,” said Dave. “I’ll say,” said the mayor. “This is easily the shaggiest dog in the state,” said the governor. “I think it may be the shaggiest dog in the entire country!” “Really?” said Dave. “Yes!” said the governor. “I think it’s time to take this dog to meet the President of the United States!” The governor’s office made the arrangements. Two weeks later Dave, Kate, the dog, the mayor and the governor flew to Washington, D.C. and arrived via taxi at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. An aide ushered them through the White House and into the Rose Garden, where they waited for the President. About an hour later, accompanied by the strains of “Hail to the Chief,” the President of the United States entered the Rose Garden. He shook hands with the governor, the mayor, Dave and Kate. “So is this the dog I’ve heard so much about?” asked the President. “Yes,” said Dave. The President reached down and petted the dog on the head. He looked at the dog closely. “This is the dog that you think is so shaggy?” said the President. “Yes,” said Dave, “Don’t you think he’s the shaggiest dog you’ve ever seen?”
“No,” said the President.

hanales posted:

This year Ague Proof is a writer on the show.

Ague Proof posted:

Its more like you're at a party and you tell everyone you have this awesome joke. So you begin to tell the joke and a man named Dave was about halfway through his workday when it dawned on him that it was his wife Kate’s birthday, and that he hadn’t bought her a present yet. Dave loved his wife and didn’t want to disappoint her, so he thought hard, trying to come up with a good idea for a gift. Soon it dawned on him that Kate had been hinting that she’d like to have a dog someday soon. She had always had dogs growing up and was disappointed that she couldn’t keep one at their old apartment. They had only recently bought a house with a sizable yard, one that was perfect for a dog or two. Dave couldn’t think of a better way to show his love for his wife than to come home today with a dog. After work Dave went to a nearby pet shop owned by a friend of his named Carlos. “Carlos, Kate wants a dog,” he said, “and today is her birthday. It’s kind of sudden, but do you have a really nice, friendly and attractive dog that she might like?” “I sure do,” said Carlos, who led Dave into the back of the store where there were a number of kennels, each containing a dog. Carlos led him all the way to the back of the room and pointed to a particular kennel. “Take a look,” said Carlos. Dave looked into the kennel and saw that inside was a young but grown dog with a coat that was a rich brown color. Most remarkably, Dave noticed that the dog’s coat was amazingly, fantastically, overwhelmingly shaggy. “That’s the shaggiest dog I have ever seen,” said Dave, amazed. “Yep,” said Carlos, “and he’s friendly, too.” Carlos opened the kennel and brought out the dog, who nuzzled against Dave and licked his hand. “I’ll take him,” said Dave. Half an hour later Dave’s car pulled up into the driveway of his home. Kate, who arrived home from work earlier, saw him coming and came out to greet him. When Dave opened the back door and let the dog out, Kate gasped with delight and ran to meet the new pet, who took to her immediately. “Happy birthday, Kate,” said Dave, kissing his wife on the cheek as she hugged the dog. “Thank you, baby,” she said. “He’s beautiful. I think he’s the shaggiest dog I’ve ever seen!” “I know!” said Dave. “That was the first thing I noticed about him.” image“I think he’s the shaggiest dog in the neighborhood,” said Kate. “We should show him to the Lassiters next door.” “Let’s do that now,” said Dave. He attached the leash he had bought on to the dog’s collar and the three of them walked next door and rang the doorbell of their next door neighbors, the Lassiters. Mr. Lassiter emerged. "Hey Dave, Kate,” said Mr. Lassiter. “What’s going on?” “We’d like you to meet the newest member of our family,” said Dave, who then pointed down to the dog. Mr. Lassiter was shocked. “Wow,” he said, “That’s the shaggiest dog I’ve ever seen!” “He certainly is shaggy,” said Kate. “I think this is the shaggiest dog in the entire city!” said Mr. Lassiter. “We should show this dog to the mayor! I’ll call my friend at city hall tonight!” Mr. Lassiter made the call, and his friend arranged for a meeting on the steps of city hall the next day during Dave’s Lunch break. The mayor was amazed and pleased with the dog. “That’s the shaggiest dog I’ve ever seen!” said the mayor. “Thank you,’ said Dave. “Why, I think it’s the shaggiest dog in the entire state! You should bring this dog to meet the governor! I’ll arrange it right away.” The mayor called the governor’s office and arranged a meeting for the following Saturday when the governor was in town. Dave brought the dog to the governor’s hotel and the state’s chief executive met him and the dog along with the mayor next to the hotel pool. “That’s the shaggiest dog I’ve ever laid eyes on!” exclaimed the governor. "He certainly is a shaggy dog,” said Dave. “I’ll say,” said the mayor. “This is easily the shaggiest dog in the state,” said the governor. “I think it may be the shaggiest dog in the entire country!” “Really?” said Dave. “Yes!” said the governor. “I think it’s time to take this dog to meet the President of the United States!” The governor’s office made the arrangements. Two weeks later Dave, Kate, the dog, the mayor and the governor flew to Washington, D.C. and arrived via taxi at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. An aide ushered them through the White House and into the Rose Garden, where they waited for the President. About an hour later, accompanied by the strains of “Hail to the Chief,” the President of the United States entered the Rose Garden. He shook hands with the governor, the mayor, Dave and Kate. “So is this the dog I’ve heard so much about?” asked the President. “Yes,” said Dave. The President reached down and petted the dog on the head. He looked at the dog closely. “This is the dog that you think is so shaggy?” said the President. “Yes,” said Dave, “Don’t you think he’s the shaggiest dog you’ve ever seen?”
“No,” said the President.

TommyGun85 posted:

I dont get it.

computer parts posted:

Because it explicitly Does Not Happen in the books (it uses different characters in the same role) and there's very little way logistically to get Sansa from touring the Vale to the Wall or wherever she's going to be in Season 6.

The only scenario I can think of is that the show has Brienne find Sansa & Theon and decide that the safest place for her is back with Littlefinger. But that doesn't make sense, because he's the guy that wed her to the rapist in the first place.

Beeez posted:

I think that chapter of TWOW makes it seem somewhat likely she'll never actually marry him, there's a lot of shady stuff going on in the Vale and virtually everyone seems to be a potential spanner in the works for Littlefinger's plans. Including Littlefinger himself.

Harold Stassen posted:

Have you ever had a friend that wasn't your friend? They probably told some variation of this joke at some point. Or the one about the guy collecting ping pong balls.

The "humour" aspect comes from wasting so much of the listener's time for a popcorn fart of a punchline to an unfunny meta-joke that they want to physically kill you. So funny! (not denigrating the actual poster of the shaggy dog joke- it's a perfect simile to the GRRM-D&D paradox)

Ague Proof posted:

Whenever people talk about the Other-dragon battle/war or Dany arriving in Westeros I can't really see it happening, it just doesn't fit. It's pretty much inevitable that these things will happen but it still seems out of place for the series, and not just because when someone predicts what will happen it's always fanfictiony and not organic. Which is odd since you know this fantasy battle will happen from just reading the prologue of the first book. It seems like it would be hard to write in a way that's not incredibly cheesy, it's been so long since the Others have done anything despite being the whole point of the series. I know there's going to be a not so shocking twist where "man is the real monster" or "the Others aren't so different" but I feel like there's no way to write it in just 2 books without it coming out of nowhere.

Ague Proof posted:

I know there's going to be a not so shocking twist where "man is the real monster" or "the Others aren't so different" but I feel like there's no way to write it in just 2 books without it coming out of nowhere.