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pokie posted:Thanks for the recommendation - I will look at what's available here. ABS is 100% worth it and good in every way and has no drawbacks whatsoever until you get to like level 40.
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OK, so you guys think it's a good idea to drop 4.5k on say this new Ninja 300 ABS? I wouldn't say price is not an issue, but it seems like a good way to avoid a nasty high side crash or something.
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Sagebrush posted:Ninjettes have no problem hitting and maintaining highway speeds (will go 90mph+ without trouble). I've heard they don't even need 6th gear.
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pokie posted:OK, so you guys think it's a good idea to drop 4.5k on say this new Ninja 300 ABS? I'd suggest buying second hand if only to deaden that horrible sinking feeling when you drop your bike for the first time. If your budget stretches to include bikes that have ABS, then yes it is nice to have.
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Mar 14, 2016 07:48
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An alternative to the Ninja 250/Ninja 300 is the Ninja 650L.
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darth cookie posted:I'd suggest buying second hand if only to deaden that horrible sinking feeling when you drop your bike for the first time. If your budget stretches to include bikes that have ABS, then yes it is nice to have. There aren't any used ones with ABS cheaper than the new one I linked. I am ok with dropping it. I had my new Challenger rear-ended somewhat badly on a highway a couple years back, so I got those emotions out of the way. Shimrod posted:An alternative to the Ninja 250/Ninja 300 is the Ninja 650L. What factors should influence which one I should get?
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Mar 14, 2016 07:56
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650 is far more roomy, more comfortable. Come with ABS, bit more oomph. Very comfortable bike, will handle highway all day long with no issues. I'd just test ride both if you can.
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Sounds good. I will do that. There is a nearby dealership with 300 for $4.3k and 650 for $6.3k, which seems reasonable.
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Mar 14, 2016 08:17
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Don't forget to factor in the cost of protective clothing.
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KARMA! posted:Don't forget to factor in the cost of protective clothing. Not to worry, I have been riding for a little while, and just upgraded to an armored mesh jacket and the most over priced modular helmet i could find. I might get riding pants later. Pretty sure i will get ninja 300. Looking at hp and 0-60 times 650 is way faster than my challenger, and this thing got me in trouble when i just got it. Better start a little slower and upgrade as needed. Thanks for advice, everyone.
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^^^^^ Good choice. A modern 300cc bike will be a lot of fun with plenty of power, especially considering you're upgrading from a 125. The ABS is a super nice feature. That's always an interesting question. What is the correct amount to factor in for protective clothing? When I started riding, I bought a $150 helmet and $40 gloves. I wore an old leather jacket I already had (heavy, but not motorcycle-grade), 501 jeans, and old combat boots I'd had for years. Don't remember how much the jacket cost but I got the boots at an Army Surplus store for about $30. Total cost under $250. I added up the cost of my current ATGATT (helmet, jacket, pants, boots, gloves) and it's about $1670 MSRP, though I got a bunch of it on sale. That's a little steep for a beginner, but I sure feel more comfortable with more armor. I think my minimum recommendation would be: a full-face helmet, motorcycle-specific gloves, a motorcycle-specific jacket (textile is fine), and above-the-ankle footwear. Maybe $500 if you don't already have a pair of boots. Where would you draw the line? Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Mar 14, 2016 |
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Mar 14, 2016 11:04
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I think the most important is to get a helmet that fits well and is comfortable because nothing takes the fun out of riding like an uncomfortable helmet. Good boots are probably second most important because apart from the head they're going to take the brunt of the punishment in a crash, and good boots are the difference between a bruise and a broken ankle.
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I'd include kevlar jeans in that list. Not point getting all that gear and no pants to suit, especially when the knee area is so exposed on a bike. Mesh jackets are fine, especially if you can only own one, since you can get multi-season ones. They'll protect you NEARLY as well in a crash (as well for impacts, less well for abrasion), so there's no issue there. Honestly if you're in the mindset that you're going to protect yourself, may as well get everything. I think in a lot of cases you're getting more comfort/style for more money (i.e. expensive helmets made of lighter materials) rather than protection.
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I started off with a poo poo sevenzeroseven helmet that I wish I never purchased, a dainese leather jacket, Alpinestars sp1 gauntlets, and Alpinestars SMX 5 or 6 boots. Pants came later. All of my gear is fantastic and still in regular rotation, except that stupid helmet. I totally agree, nothing kills a ride like an uncomfortable lid.
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If you're a chick it's $$$$$$$ because it's basically impossible to find good used gear, so you gotta buy everything brand new.
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Barnsy posted:I'd include kevlar jeans in that list. Not point getting all that gear and no pants to suit, especially when the knee area is so exposed on a bike. I've got some draggin' jeans and the bastards are comfortable as poo poo, if a little warm. Definitely don't have to change them when you get wherever you are going. I also would stress wearing protective jeans, road rash is a hell of a thing - I've got a scar in two places on my body when I fell over onto asphalt while running and I can tell you it hurt real bad. I can't even imagine what would happen at 60k.
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M42 posted:If you're a chick it's $$$$$$$ because it's basically impossible to find good used gear, so you gotta buy everything brand new. Honestly, this is the best route to go anyway unless you're buying short-term "I'm just gonna trash this in a weekend" gear. Otherwise you'll be tempted by cheap lovely used jackets that don't fit quite right. It's only a matter of time before you start justifying questionable 20 year old used helmet purchases.
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I started with bang for the buck cheap gear and upgraded as I found features I wanted. I wouldn't blow a ton on cash on your first set of gear as you'll figure out what works for you. How much ventilation? Waterproof, and how is it waterproof, inner liner or bonded to outer shell? Over or inside boot? Looks? Dainese space lord, Leather daddy or around the world dentist? I got some made to order tailored textile top bottom combo from a cheap store, -> zero ventilation, crap built in armor, hated pants inside the boots. Cheapo summer mesh jacket + jeans with kevlar + shorty boots. -> still have this for summer gear but can only use it for like 2-3 weeks each summer. Wanted a textile over the boot pants with some ventilation. First klim gear, klim dakar pants. love them for summer pants, but very cold with huge mesh areas. not waterproof. Got me a matching colored RST enduro jacket, ok ventilation, not waterproof. Then lindstrands taal pants which was warm but not waterproof. Got loving annoyed with the random rain showers last summer and general cold weather and got me a klim badlands set so I could have all the features I wanted in one set, waterproof, over the boot, with good ventilation when needed and durable. + uuh 2 normal riding boots, 5+ different pairs of gloves, summer adventure style helmet, many different types of wool underwear etc etc.. For me motorcycle gear is part of the hobby, I enjoy looking for new poo poo.
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pokie posted:Sounds good. I will do that. There is a nearby dealership with 300 for $4.3k and 650 for $6.3k, which seems reasonable. concise fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Mar 18, 2016 |
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abigserve posted:I've got some draggin' jeans and the bastards are comfortable as poo poo, if a little warm. Definitely don't have to change them when you get wherever you are going. Probably see some bone. It's hella rad until it gets infected!
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Used or new, I've bought 2 items online and will never do that again. Nothing beats trying things on. Especially if it's a helmet. I now have a medium helmet that's too big and a size large, that's still uncomfortable to wear. But look at the savings 
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Looked at a really nice 07 tuono factory yesterday for $4500. Only 10k miles and sounded amazing with an arrow exhaust. Only catch was a salvage/rebuilt title over what the seller claims was some tiny scratches. I really really want the bike, and it looked really nice expect for being dirty. Would I be totally insane to buy this? Dude wouldn't budge at all in any way on the price. I showed up yesterday with 4100 and he wouldn't do it. So it's 4500 or nothing.
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Scratches do not get a bike a salvage title. He's not telling you something.
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a scratch on the frame will. Looks like the frame is really exposed on that bike too. Or any pieces which would have to be replaced to restore the bike to pre-crash condition that requires a fuckload of labor to get to. It's typical to total a vehicle at something around 50% of the market value of it. So if the insurance company appraised that bike at only 4-5k, it probably wouldn't take a lot of pieces at OEM cost plus 95/hr labor to total it out. In most states, the law requires the insurance company to fully repair everything, to avoid screwing people over with halfassed hack jobs or latent defects which didnt show in a surface examination. I've tried haggling with them "oh I don't care about that, its just a scratch" and they wouldnt budge. However, scratches don't get a bike a salvage title without a written appraisal and quote which identifies every piece which is scratched and how much it would cost so you could always ask to see that. It does look like it would be difficult to slide one of those and scratch the frame without damaging the radiator as well at the very minimum. The left side looks "safer" than the right.
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It was just some fairing scratches, small dent/scuff in the tank and he said he replaced the brake lever. Frame was perfect and polished. I can see how the fairings on a weird Italian bike would total it out but I'm still a little skeptical.
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Voltage posted:It was just some fairing scratches, small dent/scuff in the tank and he said he replaced the brake lever. Frame was perfect and polished. That tank is probably around a grand alone if you buy a new one from aprilia.
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Partial Octopus posted:That gauge is rad as hell. Yeah. Slavvy posted:ABS is 100% worth it and good in every way and has no drawbacks whatsoever until you get to like level 40. Yeah. Still waiting for ABS on the FZ's, though.
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I'd want to see the list of damages that totaled the bike. For gear cost for new riders, my rule of thumb is buy used bikes and spend more on your gear than you do your bike. Usually the bikes are around 500-1000, and then gear is around the same price point. Haven't been able to convince anyone to lead off with the aerostitch yet but they learn after a few incidents.
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I got the bike the thread recommended today and drove on it for a few hours, including my first (short) night ride and first experience lane splitting. It's night and day difference compared to the old 125 cc bike. Faster acceleration helps with stability so much. Obligatory pic.  I will get proper pants and shoes soon.
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pokie posted:I got the bike the thread recommended today and drove on it for a few hours, including my first (short) night ride and first experience lane splitting. It's night and day difference compared to the old 125 cc bike. Faster acceleration helps with stability so much. Have you taken it on the freeway yet? It has to feel great being able to break the legal limits finally.
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These threads through here have me considering so many bikes right now, but I have narrowed it down to a few. Cheap option (but I would need to do suspension adjustments) : SV650N Middle of the road : Yamaha FZ-09 Top : Triumph Speed/Street Triple (prefer to find it used locally) I have quite some time to decide, it will be more towards September before I would buy and possibly wait until next year. However, I want to keep all of my options open and take this time in between to really decide as I've owned a lot in the past and my wife will kill me if I start buying/selling again. I've heard the FZ-09 can suffer a bit from the suspension lacking some adjustments (dampening, rebound, etc), how serious of an issue are these?
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With check in hand and my gear in the bag I'm waiting for a bus to pick me up to go get my new bike.
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mAlfunkti0n posted:These threads through here have me considering so many bikes right now, but I have narrowed it down to a few. From what I've read and seen in video reviews the FZ-09 is a lot like the SV in that its a sweet engine stuck with budget basic suspension so they could meet a price point. It can be fixed, but it's not something you would want leave in its stock form.
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Coredump posted:From what I've read and seen in video reviews the FZ-09 is a lot like the SV in that its a sweet engine stuck with budget basic suspension so they could meet a price point. It can be fixed, but it's not something you would want leave in its stock form. I think for the price the FZ-09 would be in Street/Speed Triple territory (used, of course) which don't seem to need any suspension fixing (except perhaps proper springs). Is there anything with the Street/Speed triple to watch out for? Any engine problems, etc?
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Z3n posted:For gear cost for new riders, my rule of thumb is buy used bikes and spend more on your gear than you do your bike. Usually the bikes are around 500-1000, and then gear is around the same price point. Haven't been able to convince anyone to lead off with the aerostitch yet but they learn after a few incidents. I'm a dumb stupid newbie biker who intends to commute ~15 miles (about 30-40 minutes) into my office (business casual). Is the Aerostitch just the absolute best bet? It looks like they're the best option for slipping on over work clothes, but the price is high. I was considering going with a Joe Rocket suit or similar to see if I enjoyed the 'suit' aspect, but with a hearty endorsement I might be willing to go hog wild with an aerostitch.
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:Still waiting for ABS on the FZ's, though. Well, the XSR. Although, actually, now that I look at their website, the FZ-09 and -07 both come in that awesome gloss-grey-and-fluorescent-Rossi-yellow/green color scheme that the MT-01 comes in in Eurodisney-land. As much as like to choose bikes based on their real, tangible attributes, I have to say that I'd have a hard time resisting the FZ-09 in that color scheme over the XSR even though it has ABS and (some manner of) TC. captainOrbital fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Mar 15, 2016 |
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mAlfunkti0n posted:
Watch out for damage to your retinas
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pokie posted:I got the bike the thread recommended today and drove on it for a few hours, including my first (short) night ride and first experience lane splitting. It's night and day difference compared to the old 125 cc bike. Faster acceleration helps with stability so much. Nice helmet, tell me about your grandkids.
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